How does IB and PE work for international students that don’t get h1b and transferred to EMEA?
Hi all, admitted to Michigan Ross and a couple of schools in England ( still waiting on LSE, UCL). I’m leaning toward Michigan as of now, above any of my uk options including LSE but am concerned about the Visa situation if I do end up in America. If I don’t get an h1b and am transferred to London, am I basically stuck there and/or is it the same uphill battle as if I started off by working in London and tried to move later on? If so, I’d rather go to a uk semi target and save the tuition fees (international in uk and USA). Also, is PE analyst/associate at MF basically impossible for internationals?
If you are moved to London and are trying to come back to the US, the best path is to ask your company to transfer you internally. This can be done after you spend one year in the EMEA office. Though it is important to keep in mind that banks don't just easily do that as a lot of individuals try to make that jump, and I believe it is an uphill battle to convince the firm to do so. Also if you do come on an L1 Visa to the US office, you will have to stick with that firm for the remainder of the visa i.e. 6 years as the L1 is connected to your employer - the only way to stay longer than that/be able to change roles is to go in the lottery and get the H1b or get a green card (note that when a company applies for your green card while on h1b, you can stay until your appointment date even if your h1b expires but that is not possible with L1). It is most likely easier to do once you reach a senior associate or higher position as analysts are usually not transferred given the two year contracts. About MF PE for internationals, if you are asking in the US, then no, I know a couple of international students who are in MF PE after working in EB/BB. It all depends on if you get the H1b early as PE shops have no issue taking internationals if they don't have to worry about the lottery. That being said, I believe a few people were able to get into MF PE before getting the visa (still on STEM OPT). If you don't get the H1b, there's always the option of doing a Master's. Nevertheless, I would not really think about PE right now, getting into a top BB/EB as an international is quite difficult to begin with even with the strong Ross name; you have to be miles better than most other candidates for companies in the US to consider you given all the immigration costs and issues. US --> tougher visa situation but a lot more opportunities in junior IB roles and high finance in general; UK --> easier to be considered cause no H1b issue/easy work visa process but much less opportunities in IB, and even fewer in PE and HF.
Imo I would stay in the US. You would be looking at a $25-30k approx discount in salary at the analyst level, and the cost of living in London is not that much less than NYC (Chi/Hou have a much better col than London and higher pay). Also exit opps are much more limited in Europe. Ross is also a target school and would look better to US offices than LSE/UCL. That being said, you will have to grind it out to get a job but is very possible
Hi,
Incoming sa at an eb in London and also a us citizen. Grew up in Southeast Asia though.
How would you go about transferring to the us? Will mf pe firms value my experience in London?
Most banks/top PE firms do not sponsor international students at all right now, precisely because of what you mentioned - it's disruptive to hire people for the US offices knowing they have a 75% chance of not getting a H1B and having to find them a slot elsewhere. If you do get a job in the US and have to leave, you can get transferred back on the L-1 visa, but getting that job initially is going to be the hard part. There are a LOT of international students looking for an increasingly miniscule number of jobs that sponsor... very challenging situation to be an international student recruiting in the US.
I would personally stay in the UK, get a job at an American firm and then ask to be transferred to the US on the L-1 visa after 2-4 years.
Lol good luck getting a IBD job as an international let alone umm / mf pe. Aside from Canadians, have met barely any internationals in umm / mf pe. Increasingly rare / extinct breed. Stick to the UK.
I am an international in PE and there are plenty of us… it wasn’t really even an issue in recruiting once you have your H1B
If you're an ASO 2, it's gotten SIGNIFICANTLY harder since you graduated, so people at ASO/VP level are not representative of the current situation. I graduated not long before you and my class had plenty of internationals - now we don't sponsor analysts at all as a hard rule. The odds are like 25% to get an H1B, it's not realistic for someone to plan on that
Yeah disagree with you and agree with the other posters. Also can you share type of pe fund you are at (mm, umm, MF) and background (target or not)
Cdn heading to an EB. Am I cooked if they end up sending me to London due to visa issues? How would buyside recruiting work?
Whatever you plan on doing, try to read up on relevant immigration forums, reddit and the US foreign service manual. Several restrictions may come with the visa reform that is being developed.
If you happen to be from any red/orange/yellow listed country, you need to be in the US before the bans take effect also (I don't know where you are from).
I’m from India and relations are decent rn. I’ve been born and raised in a smaller Middle Eastern country so am also eligible by DV although I’m not sure this helps much past the 10% chance I win in about 10 years.
India is not on any banned list, so that's useful.
If the country you were born/raised is on the lists, then you may have challenges. But since you don't live there any longer and assuming you don't travel to banned countries... all you need is a sponsor for H1b or another visa. Alternatively spousal or family visa sponsorship.
It's hard to say where the exact direction is going, but the overall assumption is a reduction in immigration to the US. It will be much, much harder to get a visa for some people in the future.
As another anecdote:
Went to a non-target school as a non-diverse male international student (so worst possible combinations).
I got into a top coverage group and went through recruiting selectively and ended up getting 3/3 offers at top firms.
One of them I got an offer from before I got any H1B - they were aware and were willing to sponsor. Also had mentioned that they’ll transfer me to another office if needed.
The other two I got were after I had gotten selected in the H1B lottery but were both willing to sponsor my green card. Ultimately went with a MF but the two other offers were from across the spectrum - one was a leading Infra UMM and another was a MM). My point being, there’s opportunities there across the spectrum.
There’ll be times you’ll have to outwork others who don’t have the same bottleneck but work hard and the rest will take care of itself.
If anything I think the PE firms are more supportive since they aren’t public and are more agile so can change their policies / be flexible.
Mind indicating what type of megafund e.g. us MF, eur MF, tech MF? Very rare for these to agree to sponsor a green card for an analyst right out of banking
US MF. To be clear, the green card sponsorship wouldn’t kick off until 2 years in.
Would greatly appreciate how you went about sieving which firms are comfortable having these conversations. Very big of a firm to be open to sponsor H1B and offer office relocation to EMEA as an option.
In HH engagements, should I be honest with current visa status? Heard that they can help you navigate firms that are comfortable with the H1B situation - have also heard this could greatly handicap interview chances granted the ambiguity.
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