Small Office MBB intern: On Cycle PE feasible? Is FT recruiting needed?
Hello fellow monkeys
Long time lurker, first-time posting.
I signed with one of the MBBs at a non SF/CHI/BOS/NYC office (think: Houston, Miami, Denver, LA) for my junior summer internship. I'd say our office size is relatively medium/small. I originally wanted to be close to home. Problem is, I've realized that basically only the flagship offices get large-cap/UMM PE exits.
I've always had an intellectual interest in investing. I knew there was a small consulting–>PE pipeline but I neglected how tough MBB –> UMM+ PE is and how few spots there actually are. I'm open to Growth & VC, but I feel there's no point exiting if it's to go to some LMM JAMMBO.
I'd really love to get advice on
1] Does office location harm my chances of going from MBB –> oncycle UMM+ PE? I recognize bigger office = bigger pedigree, so will HHs even consider me for on-cycle interviews?
2] If I need to change offices, would it be odd to go from one MBB junior summer –> a different MBB full time? How do I explain that & position myself in behavs?
3] What are the chances I can transfer offices internally between intern/FT, or within the first year to still get a shot at PE associate roles?
4] What other investing roles can consultants break into if not buyout? I'm honestly fine with SWF/Pensions/Endowments/LO publics/FoFs as long as I'm not just rolling up HVAC companies.
5] How best do I prepare myself for investing interviews at school & on the job? I know to hop on CDDs, but is there value in an off-cycle internship at an LMM while at school?
TLDR: MBB intern at small office, do I need to lateral/transfer to SF/BOS/CHI/NYC FT to still get a shot at UMM+ PE?
Based on the most helpful WSO content, here’s a breakdown of your situation and advice for each of your questions:
1. Does office location harm my chances of going from MBB → on-cycle UMM+ PE?
2. If I need to change offices, would it be odd to go from one MBB junior summer → a different MBB full-time?
3. What are the chances I can transfer offices internally between intern/FT, or within the first year to still get a shot at PE associate roles?
4. What other investing roles can consultants break into if not buyout?
5. How best do I prepare myself for investing interviews at school & on the job?
TL;DR:
If you’re serious about PE, start networking early, leverage your internship to build relevant experience, and consider an off-cycle internship to strengthen your profile.
Sources: Q&A 2.0: 3rd Year BA/A/AC At MBB Going To UMM/MF This Summer, Q&A: 2nd year BA/A/AC at MBB going to UMM/MF in 2020, Q&A: MBB BA/AC/A headed to UMM this summer and guide to off cycle PE recruiting for consultants, Q&A: MBB BA/AC/A headed to UMM this summer and guide to off cycle PE recruiting for consultants
Important question - are you hoping for PE in your home market, another geo (i.e., big city that you're not in), or indifferent?
Good question I should have mentioned that - I honestly don't have a preference. I would focus on (in the following order) 1] SF 2] NYC 3] Boston since that's where most UMM+ firms are from what I know. My home state doesn't have many PE/growth shops from what I know, only LMM firms.
I'd welcome others' input as I haven't dealt with this. My quick thoughts:
Overall, I think there's more focus on strong, prepared MBB candidates with passion for investing vs. specific geo ties. A motivated rockstar from Houston with genuine PE interest absolutely trumps a mediocre NYC candidate (irrespective of firm HQ).
Thanks so much! Just wanted to ask some things about your reply.
Do you think trying to lateral to a bigger office for FT at the other 2 firms is going to be worth it? Will it reflect a bit oddly that I'm switching around? How might I position myself?
Additionally, how big is the travel disadvantage if I'm recruiting on-cycle? I hear a good portion of offers go out the first night of interviewing which worries me a bit. That said, I know consultants somewhat get more offers from off-cycle so not sure how significant this is.
Lastly, any advice on how to prepare? I'm planning to get an internship while at school, and I'm planning to buy the PF package.
May have already been said, but target firms with a strong consulting presence. The Blackstones / KKR type funds usually only hire consultants for value creation, but Charlesbank / Bain Cap hire for investing. It depends on what you want out of a career, but both are definitely possible from MBB. They’ll all be great for getting in these firms radars, but I know Bain & Co has a strong reputation in PE.
Personally, I think you need to get to a better geo if large cap is your goal. And it really depends what office you are in now. The ones you listed have very different reputations.
Agree here. Like LA or Chicago - fine. Houston - definitively tier 3 (sorry).
If it's helpful context my office has ~10-20 partners in it and it's not in the midwest/south. Would you say that lands more in the T2 or T3 bucket?
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