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Think about it like this: from sponsor POV, a PE analyst program is a cheaper way to get top talent. I would imagine, similar to existing seats at BX, KKR, SLP, WP and a few more MFs / UMMs, that these funds (TB, CD&R, H&F) would attract top UG talent. Ppl who join SLP / KKR / BX / WP out of college are either saying there or leaving for HFs - if you agree that those analysts are some of the best that are possibly available from UG, they're effectively locked up or not available to PE funds that don't have analyst programs.

So the analyst program let's the sponsor acquire top tier talent while paying them analyst comp vs associate comp (150k-200k difference). And once they're on the job, analysts are treated similarly to associates anyway, and the idea is that by recruiting top talent, analysts are ready to do similar shit as associates. I think it makes perfect sense, and if anything training costs are lower.

Then the SA is how the sponsor funnels top talent into the FT program.

 

This makes zero sense. (A) These programs already attract top talent associates regardless. (B) It’s very hard to tell if someone in college would actually be any good at the job (although you’d probably like to think you were selected because you’re so brilliant). (C) The comp difference is negligible vs mgmt fees. (D) Analysts are not treated the same way as associates at all. Do you have any idea how much work it is to properly train an analyst? You might be the prettiest puppy of the litter but you’re still incontinent

If you look at the types of firms with analysts they’re often a bit headcount heavier vs. AUM / deal pace so the analysts can get reasonably trained by experienced people

 

I was in one of the programs mentioned and agree with this.

PE is not rocket science…

 

What makes you think TB, CD&R, and H&F don't already attract top talent? 

I'd think about it this way:

  • These firms can already attract top talent to their associate programs with zero issue
  • Given they can do this, why would they want to deal with the overhead of managing an analyst/internship program, undergrad recruiting, etc.? To save a few bucks (relatively speaking) on analyst vs. associate salaries?

Edit: realizing I said basically the same thing as the Associate 3 who posted above me

 

Maybe this is me being biased about my banking experience, but I think candidates coming out of banking that do PE tend to also be slightly more capable to do tasks that many analysts in PE have not seen, particularly as you get to later stage processes. In banking, although compared to PE may not be true, you definitely do reps and get fundamental training that is much more robust than those in PE funds. PE funds do not want to hand hold and for the most part, many analysts who go into PE also have had summer internships at investment banks at legit BB / EBs (Evercore, GS, etc.) so have had some form of training. 

PE mindset is different, but I think some PE funds value the "jack of all trades" banker and value the industry expertise that you can form (even in two years), which is why many sector-focused funds will take kids who were in those banking groups to begin with. 
 

As to why TB / CD&R / H&F don't do it - it's pretty clear that these funds also have a sense of elitism and entitlement that hasn't changed over the years, whereas Blackstone and KKR becoming more like "banks" have. CD&R / H&F still requires people to go to business school, and according to my knowledge, I know for a fact TB doesn't promote everyone. There is no incentive for them to try to change the system if it doesn't work - SL, KKR, and Warburg have typically had their analyst program for many years so it's a different story and these programs are not robust from what I have heard. Hell, even BX's program is not the most robust for reps. 

So I still think the banking experience is valuable given you get reps doing multiple forms of analyses, even if they don't require any thought. Just my two cents.

 
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I tend to disagree despite having a banking background. I work at one of the larger UMM / MF PE funds that have an Analyst program and I have found that Associates / Vice Presidents / Principals coming straight through the ranks right out of school tend to be better positioned for a long-term career in the industry. Obviously this is a generalization and there are very very successful investors that come from banking backgrounds as well, but if I had to do it all over again, I would be chosen one of the PE Analyst positions vs. my banking role at one of the top groups / top banks. You’re right in the sense that the people coming out of PE Analyst programs aren’t as good at formatting, miscellaneous deal related tasks (e.g. working group lists, deal folder organization, etc.), and random side analyses, but they are generally more exposed to skills that become far more important as you move up the ladder. From my experience, Associates / Vice Presidents / Principals that skipped the banking experience generally have more institutional knowledge, have greater presence in meetings, are better at leading diligence calls / management meetings, etc. At this level, the hard skills you frankly learn from banking simply generally don’t matter as much. As with everything, there are exceptions, but this is just my experience. It is also easier for PE funds to promote Analysts and keep them through the post-MBA positions just purely from a marketing standpoint (i.e. when they go to campus to recruit, they can showcase all of the “successful” Analysts that have gone through the program and are now Vice Presidents / Principals in their late 20s). There is self-selection in that the best candidates end up going to the PE programs straight out of school. There are again exceptions and this isn’t a hard fast rule, but if you look at the Analysts at BX, KKR, Bain, WP, SL, etc., they all have stellar resumes and likely have a strong work ethic, interest in investing, well spoken, etc. 

The one benefit going to a big banking program is the network, especially if you’re from a non-target. It opens up an opportunity to build a network that will become increasingly important in your career. However, if you’re the typical summa cum laude graduate from Wharton / Harvard, you likely already have a strong network by way of going to a school with many classmates going into the same career path (e.g. IB, PE, HF, etc.). 

Last point. I don’t know why people keep talking about “robust” training programs. I don’t even know what that means. I went through the typical banking program and is that supposed to refer to the 3 week Knopman Marks / Training the Street program or on the desk training? Why is this so important? I didn’t learn a single thing from that 3 week training program and PE has the same “on the desk” training that a bank might have. Yes, if you’re at some small LMM or MM firm, it’s completely different, but when you’re at a MF / UMM, you probably have way more accomplished Associates / Vice Presidents that are giving you pointers vs. some random MBA Associate in banking that thinks he / she is above you. 

 

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