Two offers: MM PE and LO AM
Currently have two offers I’m trying to choose from: MM PE VP (~$1B fund size) and LO AM analyst (Wellington, Cap Group, PIMCO, etc).
Background: 2 years MF special sits out of undergrad -> high performing MM PE (also ~$1B fund size) -> H/S/W MBA, first year completed and heading into second year. I recruited heavily during my first year, which resulted in these two offers.
I liked PE and found it to be good risk-adjusted economics, but the hours take their toll, and a lot of the work is execution-related. Less so at the MM where I worked, but still majority of time is focused on process and less on thoughtful analysis and deep thinking. I’m very intrigued by the LO role and think the job sounds more interesting, but my main hesitation there is the future of the industry and my ability to “progress”. If fees compress more and more, what does my path look like at Wellington or Cap Group? Theoretically, I’m fine being a career senior analyst (don’t care that much about title prestige), but if that means I plateau for the rest of my career at $800k-$1M a year in my late 30s, it’s really hard to ignore the fund-stacking economics of a high performing MM PE firm. Despite what some people say and what happens at MFs, people do get carry paid out at successful DPI-generating firms, and the economics can be very meaningful as a principal or young partner.
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MF PE given my read of you. I don't think you'll be happy in LO AM long term.
Meant MM PE.
plateauing at 800k-1mm... seems like a MF PE douche.
Plateauing = flattening out. I’m not implying it’s a mediocre outcome. $800k-$1M cash is an incredible amount of money and a fantastic career outcome
IMO, you need to have really high conviction in this MM PE firm generating above avg. returns over the LT (how has prior fund performance been, what has driven this performance and is it repeatable, how is current fundraising going, etc.) for it to be a better seat than an analyst role at Wellington/Cap
Fair enough. Have had good personal experience with my previous firm paying promised carry, but obviously not the case everywhere. Definitely inherent risk
Really depends what you’re looking for but if you want stability, above average pay (though not quite the peaks of PE/HF), and WLB / more control of your schedule, then very difficult to beat an offer from a LO AM. You will probably find the work more focused on thesis-building / proving that out vs PE, where as you mentioned a lot of the midlevel role is still just managing deal processes (very administrative at times to just do the deal).
Would vouch for PE if you really want the upper end of pay but you then have to underwrite if this firm can continue to scale and generate meaningful carry. Plenty of firms right now where VPs+ have carry underwater and then your compensation on a cash basis is not worth the grind of long hours and instability (poor funds mean less seats and then you get kicked out, so it’s not quite as stable as it’s marked out to be).
Great points, thanks for the contribution
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Both will perform terribly the next decade.
What will perform well, then?
Commodities (oil, gas and power) and credit. Long vol strategies in particular.
Right on schedule…
Do you understand the concept of the business cycle?
Few other considerations - obviously bit biased as someone who works in MM PE but things I considered:
Congrats on the offers. Two highly sought after roles and pretty wild to land both. Only flag, as you probably know, the 'door' on each will probably shut, so this decision is indeed important. Said differently, most LO roles of this caliber only really open for new analysts at the post-MBA level (and don't do much experienced/lateral hiring), so it'd be tough to dabble in PE first then switch to LO. Similarly, as you know, if you go LO and leave the PE world, it's harder to get back in, albeit probably a tad more accessible.
Really appreciate the input. I think the team vs individual working dynamic is a great point and something I probably haven’t been considering as much as I should. Genuinely enjoy the collaborative aspects of PE and not sure I want to give those up.
Successful senior analysts at Wellington and Capital make millions. Fee compression will not change that.
I would personally do LO asset management, those seats are extremely difficult to come by. There are very few jobs that beat LO in terms of hours / comp. If you really hate it, the door back to MM PE will be open because of your prior MF experience.
Do you think the door to MM PE is really open still coming from a Wellington? My MF experience was as an analyst — I’ve obviously spoken to head hunters who have said similar things, but they also will sometimes embellish to sell you on jobs. Not saying you’re wrong at all, but this is a key question I’m trying to figure out myself.
Yeah it’s still open. You might not get credit for it in terms of career progression, but you’ll get looks for MM PE. Some super hardo megafunds might ignore you, but I think most firms will be interested particularly if you’re willing to take a lateral role.
For context - I left PE for corporate and I got MM PE interviews for three years afterwards. All lateral senior associate level roles. It’s harder to get back in when you leave at more senior levels, but at more junior levels they’re just looking to make sure you still remember how to work as a worker bee lol
I do not understand how you are making this thread in July in between your 1st and 2nd year, as LO firms recruit in Jan/Feb for internships (and generally do not hire students without an internship test run) and full-time PE recruiting does not start until students return to campus in the fall. Something smells off
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