VPs & Above - what are you really looking for to make the AS->VP promotion?
Title. Currently in MF PC with consistent top marks. However, I know of many people who also had top marks but get pushed out after 3 years as AS/Sr. AS, and very few people make the VP+ promotions. What are top funds really looking for in an associate to move them into more senior roles?
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2nd year VP here, promoted directly from associate at a UMM (~$5-10B latest fund). Have a good perspective now that I have sat on both sides of the table. I'd break it down into 3 buckets:
Associate toolkit mastery - you have complete mastery on associate toolkit i.e., can autonomously handle any workstream without much guidance, including more vague analysis. I want to emphasize the "vague" piece here - the best associates are the ones who can put direction onto an analysis without clear explicit direction, and truly create leverage for your team.
Thought partner - able to drive independent thought across deals (new deals and portfolio) that are additive to the team. Somewhat ties to the above - but means you are starting to show your chops as an investor and articulate those thoughts to the team (versus just going off what your VP / MD thinks about a certain subject)
Goes without saying there is still a component of circumstances that drives promos - if your firm is incredibly bloated at the VP level, then you could still be missed. But at least at my firm, the VP role is pretty much bar-driven (vs. spots) since it is still relatively junior and execution focused in the grand scheme of the pyramid.
Really helpful, thank you. What are the best steps someone can take early on to master the associate toolkit that you mention? As for your second point, at what point does your opinion as a junior member become relevant towards the investment process, especially since when an associate starts, it's likely their first buyside role? Thanks again!
No real shortcuts - just put in the time and try and get as much exposure as you can across all workstreams (e.g., modeling, presentation creation, accounting, etc.) What helped me the most was having a general ownership mentality on whatever I was working on / "drinking the kool-aid". The best associates take ownership of their work because they believe in its value, and that is what drives the best performance (versus an execution monkey taking a task list from your VP). Ask lots of questions in your first year and heavily rely on precedents - nothing should really be created from scratch. If it is a brand new analysis, leverage your fellow associates, VP, etc. for thought partnership
On thought partner, it is a gradual increase over time. So for example, I would first look for contained opportunities where you are the expert. By the end of your first year, you should be speaking up in your junior deal teams about your workstream (e.g., my model implies we should be paying XX multiple, but here are XYZ reasons why I think we could pay more / less). From there, you should expand your scope as you get more comfortable - leading mini third-party diligence calls, adding a supporting comment in your IRs, etc. Its about quality over quantity - but often times, what seems like the most obvious takeaways can be quite insightful
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