Rank Life Co’s
Could someone rank the large insurance firms with real estate arms. Preferably from an equity standpoint in terms of exit ops and experience?
Pgim real estate, Northwestern mutual, allianz, MetLife, usaa, all state investments, feel free to add any.
No.
If you want to rank things, head on over to https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/investment-banking
I have offers from three of these and am trying g to make a decision
How much do they pay? What are the work hours like? Do you like your potential team. Those are reasons to accept an offer, not what some random person on the internet has to say about their "rankings".
If you're that obsessed with status you won't do well in this industry anyway. As @CRE says, this isn't the investment banking forum.
You have offers from "Pgim real estate, Northwestern mutual, allianz, MetLife, usaa, all state investments, feel free to add any?"
Doubtful.
If you want help, list where you actually have offers from, your personal pros/cons from each, etc.
AUM is likely the only differentiating factor. They all have similar-ish strategies so there’s little variation there. PGIM is likely the most recognized name of the bunch - followed by MetLife. That doesn’t necessarily mean I would rank them in that order though. As @CRE said don’t bother trying to rank them.
PGIM --> MetLife --> Allianz --> USAA --> All State --> NW Mutual
Allianz/USAA are even to me
Of all the lists, this is certainly one of them.
monkey shit or not, this is helpful
How is this helpful to you? For all you know this guy is a junior in college who threw the list together based on which acronyms he liked the best.
I lost a JV equity deal to Northwestern Mutual a few months ago so fuck those guys.
Exits Ops?? HA. They're called life companies for a reason. People stay there forever! Honestly though, working for a life co was probably the lowest stress job I've ever had. You can't go wrong with any of those names either so go with the highest pay or the best team fit. Rankings are stupid in RE
All the same and same exit ops. No rankings here. AUM is irrelevant.
Make your decision on fit with the group and location preference.
It looks like PIMCO is taking over Allianz's equity real estate investments. https://www.pimco.com/en-us/our-firm/press-release/2020/pimco-to-assume-oversight-of-allianz-real-estate
As others have said, focus on the culture of the team and the focus of their CRE / CML portfolios. For the publicly traded stock companies (PRU / MET), you should be able to look at the 10-Q or 10-K and see what their portfolio's focus is (I.e. sector & geographical focus of portfolio). Look at recent earnings for what's happened on forbearance for the CML books to get a sense as to what areas are being focused on in the current environment. For the publicly traded LifeCo's, look at what's happening with their direction their General Account has been going - is it growing or shrinking? What is the biz mix I.e. are they going to sell a business with a large GA book associated that's going to kill your AUM or are they doubling down on spread & risk based businesses? Ask yourself these questions when making your decision instead of prestige / exit opps as realistically, you want to find a place where you'll create a reputation and grow instead of bouncing around every few years. Investment team tenure is important for these types of companies - these companies have a different investment philosophy than a hedge fund for example given you're managing the assets that correspond to long-dated liabilities like life insurance, long-term care, and annuities.
PMd you
All of the Life CO’s are fantastic starting points. The amount of deal flow you see is huge compared to other firms (and the PE shops and operators you may exit to know this and view it as a positive). They have tons of resources to throw at things. As an acquisitions professional, it’s one of the best places to work because the firm literally has “unlimited” capital and as long as you can find good deals, you will generally do them. Additionally, all the strong operators are constantly trying to stay in the loop with you because they know you have the cheapest cost of capital in the business - AKA you’ll do monster deals for lower returns and the operator can get paid their fees. In terms of pay, it’s generally 20% below market, but your hours are 45-55 per week, and it’s not nearly as stressful as the private equity firms. Many people who work at Life Co.’s value their life and hobbies outside of work and will make sure that the analysts and associates take time for themselves.
RE folks we're not doing fucking lists don't indulge them
Please rank the following exit cap rates: 4, 4.25, 4.5, 4.75, 5, 5.25, 5.5, 5.75, 6
Just going to say that USAA gets an A rating from me. Our office has worked with their equity & lending teams.
Any color on Manulife/John Hancock? Their AUM is in the trillions and are huge in Canada but in terms of real estate, their portfolio appears to only be in the 60MM SF range which does not look like a lot to me. Are they in the same tier of Northwestern Mutual/Nuveen so a tier 2 life co in terms of RE? Thank you.
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