Rank Life Co’s

Could someone rank the large insurance firms with real estate arms. Preferably from an equity standpoint in terms of exit ops and experience?

Pgim real estate, Northwestern mutual, allianz, MetLife, usaa, all state investments, feel free to add any.

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I have offers from three of these and am trying g to make a decision 

How much do they pay?  What are the work hours like?  Do you like your potential team.  Those are reasons to accept an offer, not what some random person on the internet has to say about their "rankings".

If you're that obsessed with status you won't do well in this industry anyway.  As @CRE says, this isn't the investment banking forum.

 

I have offers from three of these and am trying g to make a decision 

You have offers from "Pgim real estate, Northwestern mutual, allianz, MetLife, usaa, all state investments, feel free to add any?" 

Doubtful. 

If you want help, list where you actually have offers from, your personal pros/cons from each, etc. 

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

I lost a JV equity deal to Northwestern Mutual a few months ago so fuck those guys.

Exits Ops??  HA.  They're called life companies for a reason.  People stay there forever!   Honestly though, working for a life co was probably the lowest stress job I've ever had.   You can't go wrong with any of those names either so go with the highest pay or the best team fit.  Rankings are stupid in RE        

 

As others have said, focus on the culture of the team and the focus of their CRE / CML portfolios. For the publicly traded stock companies (PRU / MET), you should be able to look at the 10-Q or 10-K and see what their portfolio's focus is (I.e. sector & geographical focus of portfolio). Look at recent earnings for what's happened on forbearance for the CML books to get a sense as to what areas are being focused on in the current environment. For the publicly traded LifeCo's, look at what's happening with their direction their General Account has been going - is it growing or shrinking? What is the biz mix I.e. are they going to sell a business with a large GA book associated that's going to kill your AUM or are they doubling down on spread & risk based businesses? Ask yourself these questions when making your decision instead of prestige / exit opps as realistically, you want to find a place where you'll create a reputation and grow instead of bouncing around every few years. Investment team tenure is important for these types of companies - these companies have a different investment philosophy than a hedge fund for example given you're managing the assets that correspond to long-dated liabilities like life insurance, long-term care, and annuities. 

 

All of the Life CO’s are fantastic starting points. The amount of deal flow you see is huge compared to other firms (and the PE shops and operators you may exit to know this and view it as a positive). They have tons of resources to throw at things. As an acquisitions professional, it’s one of the best places to work because the firm literally has “unlimited” capital and as long as you can find good deals, you will generally do them. Additionally, all the strong operators are constantly trying to stay in the loop with you because they know you have the cheapest cost of capital in the business - AKA you’ll do monster deals for lower returns and the operator can get paid their fees. In terms of pay, it’s generally 20% below market, but your hours are 45-55 per week, and it’s not nearly as stressful as the private equity firms. Many people who work at Life Co.’s value their life and hobbies outside of work and will make sure that the analysts and associates take time for themselves. 

 
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