What exactly do firms like Eastdil and CBRE do?
Hey guys, sorry for the newbie questions. I've done my reading but still quite confused.
What do these firms do exactly? Particularly Eastdil. Are they just a big real estate brokerage company?
What does it mean that they do real estate investment banking? Is it similar to what you would do in a Credit Suisse/Lazard IB RE group? Issuing stock and setting up property portfolio acquisitions for REITs? What exactly is "Investment Sales"? Do they do real estate "consulting" as well?
Also - a firm like PGIM: what does it mean that they're a big asset manager? Is it like a typical big REPE (BX/KKR/Starwood/etc)? Or is it similar in a sense to the real estate services companies like Eastdil and CBRE?
Any help appreciated. Thank you!
I'll try to explain as much as I can, but I've never worked for Eastdil/CBRE/JLL/PGIM, so hopefully another user with better experience can clarify further.
CBRE/JLL/Colliers etc: The big brokerage firms provide a range of services in the real estate industry such as capital markets, investment sales, valuation (commercial appraisal), and I think development consulting (whatever that is). But capital markets is just raising capital (debt or equity) for investors/developers. For example, my previous firm was in the process of stabilizing a 40 unit multifamily development and needed a permanent loan to take out the construction loan, so we hired CBRE to find us a lender(s). Investment Sales is pretty much just real estate brokerage but for much larger properties. In one of my previous real estate private equity internships, the firm I was interning for invested in new $50mm+ multifamily properties in the sunbelt states. We would receive dozens of Offering Memorandums (marketing material) for $50mm+, multi-hundred unit properties in Texas, Atlanta, Nashville etc... CBRE/JLL/Colliers was hired by the developer to sell these new developments for them and so they would put together a 50 page presentation to market the property and then send it to prospective buyers. Valuation is just that. Any time you get a loan from the bank, they will require an appraisal of the property so that they aren't giving you a loan that's worth more than the property.
Eastdil: I think Eastdil tries to market themselves as a prestigious real estate investment bank, but the services they offer are very similar to the big brokerage firms minus the valuations, property management, project management services. They stay on the "high finance" side of the business ie capital markets and investment sales. If you go to their website, they have a service called "Equity Sales," which is just investment sales, but they just want to make it sound "sexier" (I would also argue that investment sales is just a way of making "real estate brokerage" sound sexier too). I think Eastdil mainly works on the property level (selling and raising capital for individual properties) and not the corporate level (M&A and IPO for REITs). Public REITs would probably go to traditional investment banks for these services. When firms use the words real estate "advisory or consulting," it could really mean anything so you need to read the description. I've see "advisory/consulting" used for development consulting, capital advisory, lease structuring advisory etc...
PGIM/John Hancock/Metlife: These companies are large insurance companies with a butt ton of money to invest and so they open an in-house investment arm. PGIM is the investment management arm for Prudential Financial. I would say the main difference with these investment management companies and the megafund REPE shops is the types of investments they make and the amount of risk they take. Traditionally these companies are very low-risk because the funds they are managing are attached to people's lives. For example, if you buy life insurance from Prudential and they invest in many highly speculative development projects that all go bust, they just lost the funds that they would use to pay out your life insurance. However, it also doesn't make financial sense for these companies to collect premiums from their customers and just keep it in cash at the bank. Instead, they invest the billions of dollars that they have in low-risk investments such as triple A bonds or in this case, stabilized properties. Often times, these companies are great for permanent loans to take out construction loans. So lets say that you are a developer and you need financing. You might go to Blackstone for a construction loan because Blackstone is willing to take on the higher construction risk (at a higher interest rate of course). Once construction is complete and you've stabilized the property, then you may seek PGIM to provide you with a permanent loan to take Blackstone out. PGIM makes a safe investment with solid return, Blackstone got repaid and made a nice return on the construction loan, and you were able to complete the development and got a permanent loan at a decent rate. Everyone's happy
Blackstone/Other megafunds: As I mentioned above, what I think is the main difference between the megafunds and Life Insurance investment arms is their risk tolerance and type of investments. Blackstone will make riskier investments in order to achieve higher returns. They may invest (either debt or equity) in ground up developments, value-add projects, or distressed deals. You can read up on a lot of their investments such as their acquisition of Stuy Town in NYC after Tishman and Blackrock defaulted.
They put together a shiny book with photos and outdated copypasta, blast it out via email, then collect $500,000
$500,000? What is this, a deal for ants?
Yes, Eastdil is a brokerage company like CBRE. CBRE, JLL, Cushman & Wakefield, etc are all much bigger companies than Eastdil, however they all have more business lines. "Investment Sales" is simply selling a building. If you own, for example, an office building that you would like to sell, you hire one of these companies as your broker, just like you would hire a real estate agent when selling your house.
Let me put it this way. When I was working in REPE, we bid on a fairly large portfolio in one of the asset classes we played in that was being marketed by JP Morgan's real estate, lodging, and gaming group based in NYC. Our bid ended up being +/- $180mm and we were about 10% off the winning bid. The process JPM ran (OM, deal room, bid process, etc) was INDISTINGUISHABLE from countless other marketing processes I have seen from CBRE/JLL/Eastdil/CushWake/etc, except that the size of the deal was quite large, for the product type especially.
It's all a spectrum. The guy at Marcus sells a Dollar General, the guy at JLL sells a $25mm suburban office building, the guy at Eastdil sells a $100mm portfolio, the guys at JPM sell the $500mm portfolio. The Marcus debt guy places a loan for a $1mm duplex, the guy at CBRE places a loan for a $250mm office tower. These are all the same process in essence, they just require much higher technical expertise and professional networks as the deals get larger and/or more complex.
The DIFFERENCES, however, are:
1)Eastdil, and formerly HFF, are/were EXCLUSIVELY capital markets intermediaries. They don't to property management, leasing, tenant rep, etc like JLL/CBRE. This singular focus, and the fact that the don't spend time on smaller deals, lends them trust and cache when pitching clients. Eastdil also has an investment banking pay structure (base + bonus) vs commission-based like most full-services shops.
2) CBRE, JLL, and Eastdil have REIB teams that can for the most part perform the same services as RE groups at the banks, but you will still see banks running the majority of REIT IPOs, corporate-level M&A, and things like that, with occasional involvement from the brokerage house REIB teams further down the tombstone.
Let me add that the RE, gaming, and lodging group at JPM, for example, obviously has capabilities far beyond those companies mentioned as it covers gaming and lodging corporates that are not in the business of owning real estate.
Went off topic a bit, but the OP's question sort of funnels into the "what is REIB" question that gets thrown around on here frequently, and the answer is it's basically a spectrum of check size, complexity, and capabilities in the same general function.
this is interesting, what kind of asset was the portfolio?
Brokerage shops are losing flavor so they’re trying to rebrand themselves as “investment sales”, “equity/debt placement”, “capital markets”, or “advisory”. I just wish they’d stop the crap and say who they really are - which is a fancy brokerage firm.
“You get on the phone and ask people for money - you’re a salesman”
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