Canadian B-school Help Needed
I have been accepted to Queens Commerce, UofT Rotman commerce, Schulich and WLU/UW double degree program (at both schools). With either degree(s) I plan on working at a Toronto firm or BB, from there I hopefully will go to a top5 US b-school and so on..
Which will have better recruitment for ibanking and/or s&t? How hard is Uoft commerce in terms of marking? How hard is Queens commerce in terms of marking? I heard that UW is good for S&T, some people say that it has only a few positions that are highly competitive between math/engineers, to what degree are these positions recruited? How viable is it to get an ibanking or s&t internship while at Queens commerce, maintaining 80/3.7+, leadership networking etc? how many pull this off? Is UofT commerce good for ibanking considering that it has proximity to bay street and that it is now affiliated with the Rotman School (good school for finance here in toronto)?
What about Schulich, is it any good? I have a feeling that it is overhyped by their "marketing department"...
In terms of recruitment and placement for ibanking:
I wouldve thought from a straight recruiting standpoint, 1. UofT 2. Schulich 3. Queens 4. Laurier
For MBA perhaps but not for undergraduate BBA/BCom.
U of Waterloo is amazing for S&T if you are in the Computer Science program or maybe engineering, but if you are at the top of your bracket, anything else puts you no where in comparison.
I would rank it from an S&T standpoint: 1) Queen's 2) The rest... Possible WLU/UW, U of T then Schulich we had 1 FT offer, 1 summer so take it as you will.
From IB: 1) Queen's 2) Schulich 3 and 4) WLU and UW then prob U of T
Based on a U of T grad who said U of T didn't even place 10 ppl in IB I would put them last. I know about 5 ppl from WLU that got IB. They were just business, I'm not sure about your specific program though.
U of T has weak placement in IB, but the recruitment is still better than Laurier.
U of T usually has about 10 interview slots per bank for first round and maybe 2-4 get selected for a superday of 30 students (this is for Cdn Ibanks, and maybe ML). Top programs represented were queens and ivey, followed by mcgill then maybe 1-2 schulich, 1-2 dal and 1-2 laurier. Note: this is from my experience which is a year and a half old and i was actually an engineering student, not in commerce
ab123, where the hell did Dalhousie come from?
Agreed with CAPM: (for investment banking, no clue about s+t) 1. Queens- All firms come on campus. 2. Schulich- All firms except GS and CS came on campus. 3. UofT/Laurier are about equal- Most of the big 5 recruit and a couple bulge brackets (ML, Citi)
Other things to consider. Queens/Schulich/McGill seem to be the only schools that send second years into banking each year (1 BB, 1 boutique) which says alot about the quality of students over there. I believe Queens sent 1/2 sophomores into banking, and Schulich sent 1/2 as well this year.
Obviously if you have an A average, leadership and networking you can get into banking from Queens.
I'm not crazy. I distinctly remember the dal guy being late because of a flight delay out of halifax. I guess he was good networker.
Schulich had 1 sophomore, but I thought the 2nd one got robbed to be honest, very smart kid, just the shop said they don't hire sophomores even though he clearly knew his stuff.
Alex I spoke with a junior at Schulich about that and he mentioned that the kid had a really cocky personality (no offence if he is a friend) so maybe that was why.
Not sure if we are thinking of the same person, he had great feedback from the interviewer, got 2nd rnd and then a separate viewing to even consider him, they just didn't hire 2nd years before.
The cocky thing happens, I got it a few places, for me it was a prep thing, where I babbled a bit and it sounded cocky vs genuine.
With Dal, I know it surprises ppl, since its really off the map, but the co-op places them with some experience, and then the program isn't the most challenging so some people smoke it. I know a few ppl from Dal that placed well, including CS in Toronto.
Last summer, WLU sent 3 2nd years to banking. 1 to BMO, 1 to Cannacord, and one to TDS in NYC. This summer again I know BMO took a sophomore, not sure about the rest. OTPP also took a sophomore as a summer analyst.
Most students at WLU, choose to go into buyside Asset Management though over banking, infact in the past couple years alot of students did Investment Banking so they could then trade-up for Trading and Asset Management. Very few Trading positions consider WLU a target to begin with.
Also there is two buyside WLU alum filled shops, that their co-ops usually go on to work in the Private Capital groups of the big5.
Currently I am considering these programs:
Queens Commerce Waterloo/Wlu math business double degree (UW) Waterloo/Wlu math business double degree (WLU)
I have heard that the double degree is better for S&T because of the quantitative/math background that it provides. Is this type of background really that necessary for S&T. If it was very important, how would students at Queens and Ivey get into S&T without a math background?
Is the competition for S&T at waterloo far greater than at Queens? because you are competing with a few thousand students that can apply to the same jobs, whereas Queens has 300 students in each year.
Does the double degree give you any added advantage even if you do get a S&T job? or will you be equally capable of the job coming out of a good b-school like Queens?
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