Are these samples seriously considered to be of high caliber? I read those for Wharton and they seemed pretty bad---can anyone else provide links to consensus high quality samples?

Perhaps I will create a new thread.

 
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wotingyu:
Are these samples seriously considered to be of high caliber? I read those for Wharton and they seemed pretty bad---can anyone else provide links to consensus high quality samples?

Perhaps I will create a new thread.

Check out www.essaysnark.com for more interesting examples of essay critques. The essays are not amazing, but the feedback they give is interesting/entertaining. The essays are submitted by actual b-school applicants and critiqued for free by whoever runs the website (they remain anonymous for some reason).

Caveat: I disagree with some of the advice I see on that website, so take everything they say with a grain of salt. But definitely worth checking out.

 

I read the Columbia one, not really impressive writing, but when you say your dad owns the biggest company in Ghana and you're slated to be the next CEO, of course you're going to get in.

I just really don't get the admission consulting value proposition. To me they are just preying on people's insecurities. If you can't answer the question of why you want to go to business school or what your career goals are, you're not getting into Harvard, regardless of whether you pay someone to make up a story for you. And going a step further, I think it's borderline cheating and I wish a top school would take a stand and say they're not accepting applications that are worked on by consultants.

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ThunderRoad:
I read the Columbia one, not really impressive writing, but when you say your dad owns the biggest company in Ghana and you're slated to be the next CEO, of course you're going to get in.

I just really don't get the admission consulting value proposition. To me they are just preying on people's insecurities. If you can't answer the question of why you want to go to business school or what your career goals are, you're not getting into Harvard, regardless of whether you pay someone to make up a story for you. And going a step further, I think it's borderline cheating and I wish a top school would take a stand and say they're not accepting applications that are worked on by consultants.

I partially agree with some of your points, but where do b-schools draw the line? Do they also disallow gmat scores for people who used a personal tutor? How about those who took a group GMAT class - is that less bad? Do they discount people's work experience if they used the finance guides found on this website (that presumably some people can't afford)? Do they refuse to accept applications from people who got into Ivy League undergraduate schools only because their parents could afford a fancy SAT coach or could donate significant sums to the schools?

All of these things are technically "unfair" because many people do not have access to such resources. For better or worse, however, that is how the world works. Some people will always have better resources/opportunities than others, often through no work of their own. Tough to police this.

Also, I view the value prop of admissions consultants as mitigating downside risk, not maximizing upside potential. Meaning, consultants will make sure you don't accidentally make a fatal mistake, such as writing an essay that you think sounds good but actually makes you sound arrogant, or being unprepared for your interviews because you are usually a good interviewer, when b-school interviews are actually very different than job interviews. That is minimizing downside risk. They are not going to get a crappy candidate into HBS, regardless of how shiny their essays are. It is up to each individual to determine whether the cost of the consultant is worth this downside risk mitigation.

One additional thought: I do think that some qualified candidates have a hard time being introspective, and consultants can help tease out more interesting/thoughtful stories than the candidates could do themselves. Just my $0.02.

 
DagwoodDeluxe:
I partially agree with some of your points, but where do b-schools draw the line? Do they also disallow gmat scores for people who used a personal tutor? How about those who took a group GMAT class - is that less bad? Do they discount people's work experience if they used the finance guides found on this website (that presumably some people can't afford)? Do they refuse to accept applications from people who got into Ivy League undergraduate schools only because their parents could afford a fancy SAT coach or could donate significant sums to the schools?

All of these things are technically "unfair" because many people do not have access to such resources. For better or worse, however, that is how the world works. Some people will always have better resources/opportunities than others, often through no work of their own. Tough to police this.

Also, I view the value prop of admissions consultants as mitigating downside risk, not maximizing upside potential. Meaning, consultants will make sure you don't accidentally make a fatal mistake, such as writing an essay that you think sounds good but actually makes you sound arrogant, or being unprepared for your interviews because you are usually a good interviewer, when b-school interviews are actually very different than job interviews. That is minimizing downside risk. They are not going to get a crappy candidate into HBS, regardless of how shiny their essays are. It is up to each individual to determine whether the cost of the consultant is worth this downside risk mitigation.

One additional thought: I do think that some qualified candidates have a hard time being introspective, and consultants can help tease out more interesting/thoughtful stories than the candidates could do themselves. Just my $0.02.

To me this is a lot like the question of what's plagiarism. The line isn't necessarily obvious, but it's clear. Prepping for a test with someone isn't cheating because they're not answering the test questions for you. Using content in an essay that was generated by someone else and claiming it's your own crosses a line in my opinion, even if the content is about your own life. If you lack the ability to be introspective, that's a real flaw and part of the purpose of having admission essays. If an admissions department received two very similar applications, and knew that one had the benefit of a consultant and one didn't, I think it would influence their decision.

Where maybe it starts to get gray is what if you ask your friend who got accepted last year to read your essays and give feedback? How is that ethically different from paying someone to do the same thing? It's mostly a moot point because consulting services offer much more than this or no one would pay them.

I'm not saying that everyone who uses a consultant is a cheater (or that everyone who doesn't use one isn't). It's an option that's available and allowed for everyone and if you use it that's your right. I just think the admissions process would make more sense for everyone if that changed. It's not about fairness per se, because people are naturally going to have advantages and disadvantages.

None of that changes my opinion of their value, which I think is minimal for the vast majority of people.

I am wise because I know that I know nothing -Socrates
 
ThunderRoad:

I read the Columbia one, not really impressive writing, but when you say your dad owns the biggest company in Ghana and you're slated to be the next CEO, of course you're going to get in.

I just really don't get the admission consulting value proposition. To me they are just preying on people's insecurities. If you can't answer the question of why you want to go to business school or what your career goals are, you're not getting into Harvard, regardless of whether you pay someone to make up a story for you. And going a step further, I think it's borderline cheating and I wish a top school would take a stand and say they're not accepting applications that are worked on by consultants.

It's valuable to have some feedback on your application from an outside perspective.

The catch there is that you really shouldn't have to pay for it. I guarantee that everyone on here who wants to go to an MBA program has SOMEONE in their circle who is guaranteed to critique it. In my case I was able to find current students at Kellogg and Boothe who gave me feedback and significantly improved the quality of my applications for R2.

 
wotingyu:
I gave you that silver banana prematurely, essay snark seems kind of shitty....but thank you for the link regardless.

Haha well I appreciate the SB nonetheless.

Obviously the essays they post on Essay Snark are not amazing - the whole point is they choose mediocre essays so that they can critique them. I do think some of their comments are interesting/funny, although like I said above, I often disagree with their feedback.

Some of their general blog posts are motherhood and apple pie, but I suppose that is useful to some people, presumably those less familiar with the b-school application process.

 
DoubleBottomLine:
OP didn't "stumble upon" anything.

just an aringo shill...probably the owner.

Agreed, I bumped this because I didn't really see any other relevant threads in my search.

 

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