Changing Career Paths as a Student. (IB Return Offer --> Commodities)

Hi guys, I'm currently a student in Singapore with some MM / LMM investment banking internships under my belt and am thankful that I've received a return offer despite this terrible job market. However, after thinking carefully about what I would like to do as a full-time job, I realised that perhaps the commodities space particularly for softs in Southeast Asia spoke to me more than IBD

Would like to start my career at a physical commodities house instead of a bank as I believe I might be able to attain a better grasp of fundamentals and eventually be able to transit to a junior trading role. 

I'm asking in the context of Southeast Asia as I did try to look things up but unfortunately had not much luck finding relevant threads.

A few questions off the top of my head:

1) What would starting at more active regional local players in Southeast such as RGE, Wilmar, Olam etc. be like versus traditional ABCD and places such as Trafigura, Glencore etc.?

2) I currently still have time for 1 - 2 more internships, what roles should I shoot for at these commodities firms to best position myself (outside of graduate programmes) for a junior trading role?

3) What are general payscales like in Southeast Asia for the agri / soft commodities trading space and would it be stupid for me to give up my FT MM / LMM investment banking offer for a fresh start in commodities?

Please feel free to chime in, any advice highly welcome and much appreciated!

 

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here are some insights and advice for your situation:

1. Starting at Regional Local Players vs. Traditional ABCD and Major Firms

  • Regional Local Players (e.g., RGE, Wilmar, Olam):

    • Pros:
    • These companies are well-established in Southeast Asia and have a strong presence in the local market.
    • They may offer more exposure to the regional commodities market, which can be beneficial for understanding local fundamentals.
    • Smaller firms might provide a broader range of responsibilities and quicker career progression.
    • Cons:
    • They might have fewer resources compared to global giants.
    • Career paths might be less structured, and compensation could be lower initially.
  • Traditional ABCD and Major Firms (e.g., Trafigura, Glencore):

    • Pros:
    • These firms have a global presence and extensive resources.
    • They offer structured training programs and clear career paths.
    • Higher initial compensation and more significant networking opportunities.
    • Cons:
    • You might be more specialized in one commodity or function, limiting broader exposure.
    • The work environment can be more competitive and high-pressure.

2. Internships to Position for a Junior Trading Role

  • Roles to Target:

    • Operations/Logistics: Understanding the supply chain and logistics is crucial in commodities trading.
    • Market Analysis/Research: Gaining insights into market trends and fundamentals.
    • Risk Management: Learning about hedging strategies and risk assessment.
    • Sales/Commercial Roles: Building relationships with clients and understanding the commercial aspects of trading.
  • Additional Tips:

    • Look for internships that offer hands-on experience and exposure to trading desks.
    • Networking within the industry can be invaluable. Attend industry events and connect with professionals on platforms like LinkedIn.

3. General Payscales and Career Considerations

  • Payscale in Southeast Asia:

    • Entry-Level Roles: Typically range from USD 40,000 to USD 60,000 annually, depending on the firm and location.
    • Junior Traders: Can earn between USD 60,000 to USD 100,000, with potential bonuses based on performance.
  • Career Considerations:

    • Passion and Interest: If you are more passionate about commodities trading, it might be worth pursuing despite the initial pay difference.
    • Long-Term Growth: Commodities trading can offer significant long-term financial rewards and career satisfaction.
    • Risk vs. Reward: Consider the stability and growth potential of both career paths. Investment banking offers a more structured path, while commodities trading can be more volatile but potentially more rewarding.

Final Thoughts

  • Transitioning from investment banking to commodities trading is a significant decision. Weigh the pros and cons carefully, considering your long-term career goals and interests.
  • Seek advice from professionals in both fields and try to gain as much practical experience as possible through internships and networking.

Feel free to ask more questions or seek further clarification on any of these points!

Sources: Q&A: I'm an Agricultural Commodities Trader, Q&A: I'm an Agricultural Commodities Trader, https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/trading/picking-the-right-ag-trading-role-early-career?customgpt=1, Physical Trading - Energy Commodity Preferences, https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/trading/compensation-at-oil-majors-and-physical-houses-for-traffic-desk-and-traders?customgpt=1

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Do at least a year in banking. It’s the much more competitive and lucrative seat, your resume will forever get a much better look for it. Have no idea about commodities ex-US except that they are not as sought after compared to even other S&T roles, probably easy to transition after being an IB analyst

 
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