Explaining Facebook Stock Price Swings

Hi,

I'm a med student and I'm starting to learn about trading stocks with extra money I have. One of my undergrad majors was econ, I've read several books about investing, and I've talked to a few people in the HF world about it. So I have a pretty basic understanding.

I've been looking at Facebook stocks this week and I'm wondering if anyone can explain 2 things that happened.

1) Between last Friday and Monday, the stock jumped from about $22 to $22.71.

2) On Monday, it fell from $22.71 to $21.62 from 9:30 AM to 10 AM.

3) Today, it jumped from $21.97 to $22.73 from 12 noon to 12:40 PM.

Are there predictable reasons that these jumps happened? Here are my thoughts:

1) and 2) After Zuckerberg's appearance, casual investors got too excited over the weekend and got knocked down on Monday.

3) Don't know.

Thanks!

 

from what you've described there it seems like the norm for FB. If you look even further back than just the last 3 days, you'll notice that FB has a 3-6% intraday swing between the low's and high's pretty much since the thing started trading. Of course there will be outliers where there was a 10%+ change. As for an actual reason, I don't know if you would find one better than just simplying investor emotion.

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3) The company, in oreder to boost revenue from marketing over wireless devices, is testing a service that places advertisements on mobile applications other than its own.

In Google Finance, you can read the news for the company and match the corresponding letter the the time it was released. You can see how it positively or negatively affects the stock price. All trading is based on market psychology, and many times the change in price does not have good reason behind it.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:FB

 

Also shorter and short squeezes on these sorta of stocks are pretty common which is why you see huge swings. I'd stay away from FB tho. Its a speculation at this pnt and can swing 10-20% in a week in either directions, same with solar companies right now, rimm, and nokia. If you want to learn investing start off properly with a safe company. Wanna learn to be a trader, go ahead and play whit facebook, see how much of the profit you can make, while limiting your losses on the bad days.

 
ladubs111:
Also shorter and short squeezes on these sorta of stocks are pretty common which is why you see huge swings. I'd stay away from FB tho. Its a speculation at this pnt and can swing 10-20% in a week in either directions, same with solar companies right now, rimm, and nokia. If you want to learn investing start off properly with a safe company. Wanna learn to be a trader, go ahead and play whit facebook, see how much of the profit you can make, while limiting your losses on the bad days.

Don't go long - bought some puts recently. Remember, just because it's dropped a lot doesn't make it "cheap". Apple and Google (near or at all time highs) both trade at significant discounts to FB which is valued ~$37Bn...on what, $1.5bn of earnings? with all the lockups expiring (a lot on Nov 14), stay away for now.

 
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ladubs111:
Also shorter and short squeezes on these sorta of stocks are pretty common which is why you see huge swings. I'd stay away from FB tho. Its a speculation at this pnt and can swing 10-20% in a week in either directions, same with solar companies right now, rimm, and nokia. If you want to learn investing start off properly with a safe company. Wanna learn to be a trader, go ahead and play whit facebook, see how much of the profit you can make, while limiting your losses on the bad days.

Don't go long - bought some puts recently. Remember, just because it's dropped a lot doesn't make it "cheap". Apple and Google (near or at all time highs) both trade at significant discounts to FB which is valued ~$37Bn...on what, $1.5bn of earnings? with all the lockups expiring (a lot on Nov 14), stay away for now.

$49 bil at the end of today. FB stock is like a chic on her rags, dunno how it will swing.

 
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ladubs111:
WallStreetOasis.com:
ladubs111:
Also shorter and short squeezes on these sorta of stocks are pretty common which is why you see huge swings. I'd stay away from FB tho. Its a speculation at this pnt and can swing 10-20% in a week in either directions, same with solar companies right now, rimm, and nokia. If you want to learn investing start off properly with a safe company. Wanna learn to be a trader, go ahead and play whit facebook, see how much of the profit you can make, while limiting your losses on the bad days.

Don't go long - bought some puts recently. Remember, just because it's dropped a lot doesn't make it "cheap". Apple and Google (near or at all time highs) both trade at significant discounts to FB which is valued ~$37Bn...on what, $1.5bn of earnings? with all the lockups expiring (a lot on Nov 14), stay away for now.

$49 bil at the end of today. FB stock is like a chic on her rags, dunno how it will swing.

was referencing $37bn EV, not market cap

 

Thank you everybody! That was very helpful. It's also really humbling to see so many intelligent people split on whether a stock will rise or fall... and then you throw casual investors (like me!) into the mix that get betrayed by their own emotion and add another unpredictable element... and all the while you know somebody's programs and algorithms are mechanically crunching away at every movement... this is all so interesting.

 
mdtrader:
investors (like me!)
Are you an investor or a trader? If you're INVESTING, sink your money into a blue chip or hire a professional. If you're TRADING....well, don't play with money you can't afford to lose without altering your lifestyle
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mdtrader:
investors (like me!)
Are you an investor or a trader? If you're INVESTING, sink your money into a blue chip or hire a professional. If you're TRADING....well, don't play with money you can't afford to lose without altering your lifestyle

Right now I'm trading. I have extra Bar Mitzvah and graduation money that I saved and I can afford to lose all of it because I have my yearly budget covered. So I'm using that for trading. I also have a job and I'm gonna save my money from that for real investing. Thanks for the advice!

Wallstreetoasis.com:
also, for the record, i wouldnt bet against FB long term. I just think it is currently overvalued at $22/sh. I do think once/if it gets into single digits (~$15bn EV)it becomes an interesting long term buy with some nice upside.

Thanks! It's definitely tanking right now (down 9% from Friday's closing, probably after the Barrons downgrade) so I'm keeping an eye on it.

 
mdtrader:
Thank you everybody! That was very helpful. It's also really humbling to see so many intelligent people split on whether a stock will rise or fall... and then you throw casual investors (like me!) into the mix that get betrayed by their own emotion and add another unpredictable element... and all the while you know somebody's programs and algorithms are mechanically crunching away at every movement... this is all so interesting.

also, for the record, i wouldnt bet against FB long term. I just think it is currently overvalued at $22/sh. I do think once/if it gets into single digits (~$15bn EV)it becomes an interesting long term buy with some nice upside.

 

Honestly, moves that small are just random fluctuations. You don't need news to make moves like that. Also, Facebook sucks and is probably going lower.

 

Hey,

Also important to look at what's happening in the broader market as well, for example if this had happened exactly a week later it could have almost all been explained by the improvement in risk sentimenet due to QE3, and European ESM approval, and a correction of that earlier this week.

In this situation, it was probably random fluctuations.

Yahoo Finance is great to see what possible catalysts are, as it has a Headlines section that will give you relevant news for a particular stock, that way you can figure out whether it was just flows or actual news hitting the tape.

 

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