How to resign without burning bridges
Ideally I want to keep the door open for me to come back. I really like my current team, but the new role is too good to turn down. Thanks in advance!
Ideally I want to keep the door open for me to come back. I really like my current team, but the new role is too good to turn down. Thanks in advance!
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Thanks for the usual humble brag. Just wanted to let everyone know on an anonymous forum I got my dream role!
Resign. There's no bad blood. Companies are laying off people across the economy. Should be self evident there's no loyalty from their end so neither should there be from yours.
I think it's senior management that decided the layoffs, my boss is actually a very sentimental guy, he shields us when it comes to layoffs, but when someone tries to quit he also takes it personally. Which is why I want to do this carefully. Ideally I'd like to keep the door open to rejoin my team.Also, I don't think anyone will brag about failing to secure their dream role at entry lol
Honestly sometimes there’s no good way to do this. I resigned at a role where my boss fought for us to all get our bases bumped 20% due to inflation/competition etc., because I found a role that was way better. He wasn’t happy but he knew it wasn’t personal. You’re never going to be best buds with this guy, but if you give him decent notice and don’t mail it in if you need to stay on for your full 2 weeks then in 5 yrs when he thinks about you I can guarantee he won’t have a bad opinion.
What's the best desk on the street?
You probably already know this but he is almost certainly just talking about the best desk on the street for his particular product/asset class. So answer totally depends on that.
Just giving them a hard time, everyone comes here to jerk themselves off about new jobs. Doesn't really matter the reason, if something is a better fit for you, leave the old position. The need for validation is childish.
Ask to meet with him in a conference room or office off the floor, inform him that you are resigning to pursue another opportunity. Tell him it was a pleasure working for him and thank him for the opportunity. If he asks where you are going, just tell him that you can't say anything yet. Offer to stay on for 2 weeks, but most likely you will escorted out after the meeting is over. People change jobs in this business all the time, there is usually no hard feelings and everybody moves on. I have never heard anybody have anything negative to say about somebody leaving as long as they had the decency to do it in person (do know one guy who was on vacation and instead of coming back just quit over text).
In my contract it says I need to tell them where I'm going but in the back of my mind this sounds ridiculous..? Couldn't I just lie and say any competing firm out there? How would they check that? Go ping the guys over there and then say hey did X get an offer here that he's taking? I don't think they would disclose that. Maybe by pinging some close friends and checking with that group.
In my contract it says if I want to pursue a job during my non-compete period, I have to submit a disclosure with my title, entity/person, and a complete description of duties and reporting and also take precautions so that if I accept the job I won't compromise any confidential information. This sounds unenforceable lol.. if I'm leaving for a direct competitor there's 0 precautions that can be taken as I'm taking all my knowledge of everything in my head over to the new firm. Should I tell them, I'm going to a competitor, I will not be disclosing more so use this information to determine whether or not you fully exercise the non-compete.
Full disclosure this is also a firm who had remote employees in California where NC's are unenforceable so they were a bit unhappy when the employed members of the firm based in California left and they had no leg to stand on with a non-compete so I'm sure they just tried to put as much language into the NC as possible, but this above doesn't seem possible to enforce and would just depend on self-reporting. I don't plan on working during a NC, but for me to reveal the firm I'm going to and give them the option to exercise it, I don't see any benefit of doing this cause they're paying me during my NC lol so if I get a 3-6 month break and get paid I'm taking it.
Second this - good advice. Been in the situation a few times, although in IBD and not S&T.Do it in person, be professional, be thankful, offer to handover/work notice etc (even if it's just a gesture), say you'd hope to have a catch-up with manager over a beer in the future etc.Always decline the counteroffer
Second this - good advice. Been in the situation a few times, although in IBD and not S&T.
Do it in person, be professional, be thankful, offer to handover/work notice etc (even if it's just a gesture), say you'd hope to have a catch-up with manager over a beer in the future etc etc
Always decline the counteroffer!
Just to reiterate, being professional, talking to direct manager in person is good advice. I would add: No one can compel you to state where you are going in your next position (contract or no contract). Contracts are only as good as they are legal. Also, do not leave room for a counteroffer - state in your resignation letter and verbal discussion all past tense, such as, "it was very nice working for you, I learned a lot and thankful that I had the opportunity....I have already accepted my new position as start after my notice period is fulfilled. Wording like that should discourage a counteroffer. Fact: There is a high percentage number (over 60%) of individuals who will be gone within 6 months from the position where a counteroffer is accepted. Why? Because you have shown your hand, and often your manager has bought time to look for your replacement, and/or the reasons you were looking to leave likely will still exist. If you are leaving just to fill a compensation gap, then that issue will likely exist again.
I was given a hard time from my former S&T MD, but he was also well-known on the floor as a psychopath and even though he oversaw multiple products he didn’t know how to actually process a trade himself. So very much an outlier situation. Next MD was the polar opposite when I resigned
Obviously the exact language and jurisdiction of the contract are crucial here but my understanding is the disclosure provisions are mostly to make it easier for companies to go after former employees who violate other contractual provisions like the non-compete or any non-solicitation clause as violations of disclosure provisions are unlikely to lead to much in terms of damages by themselves. I'm also not sure whether by unenforceable you mean legally unenforceable or practically difficult to enforce but conceptually those are very different things.
To the extent you are happy to sit out the non-compete and accept whatever compensation is provided in the contract my impression is most firms would be quite satisfied with that.
Here is an example of "unlawful" contracts/agreements Often severance agreements include a "gag" order. This can be literally "illegal" now since the McLaren Macomb decision. This is the type of reference I was broadly referencing. On the other hand, some contracts have non compete terms which may be "lawful" to a degree, but are often unenforceable when brought to court, depending on the state, industry, function and specifics. It's just always a great idea to have your attorney review your potential contract before you sign. If you sign a non compete agreement, and you leave a company to go to a competitor in the same function (especially in a trading function where you have access to trading strategies) this is likely inviting a fight from your soon to be former employer. Sometimes you can negotiate to buy your way out of the contract (or your new employer can do this). Usually, if you have been at a firm for a year or more, you will know how aggressive your company is in going after those who violate the non compete, This is my experience; firms differ a bit on their actions.
I always have dilemma when comes to resignation, most companies i join had good culture , except for the recent local one.
good superior will be happy and celebrate with your advancements. Any superior who fails to delegate this expression or engagements, well, they are not really a good boss that deserves your hesitations.
Interesting angle on this that might differ from the forum:
The truth is you need to know the culture of the firm you are leaving. At a firm with bad exit culture, you let them know at the last minute and ride off into the sunset never to interact with them again. But, if you try and do that at a place with great culture, everyone will think you are a POS. You just need to ask ex employees.
Yes, excellent observation. You summed it up well. I failed to mention the bonus cycle departures. This is a whole discussion in itself - when to leave when bonus time is close.
For the love of God, stop caring so much about your firm. Every job letter states, "job at will", your firm could lay you off tomorrow and could care less about your financial life, same as your manager/boss. They could care less you're leaving, as long as they are getting paid, they can replace you instantly with so much talent nowadays. Plus, you never know if your team leaves or cared you left after years trying to apply back.
Thank you all for the advice. This post has been helpful for me to navigate the same situation. I am in the process of asking (perhaps negotiating with the offer letter) for the bonus I am going to sacrifice at my current bank. I am not asking for the world but whatever they think makes sense at market rate is amazing to me. It has been a really stressful situation.
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