Starting out in Merchandising to Trading Desk.
Hello all,
Currently recruiting for commodities, and looks like if things break my way I'll be starting out in a Ag merchandising seat at a Non-ABCD house(Scoular, The Andersons, DeLong). I'm also recruiting for merchandising/trading roles at some of the Resin houses like Tricon, Dow Chemicals, LyondellBasell. Also applied to the ABCD houses and some of the majors like Sunoco, Marathon, Chevron for supply and trading, but don't really have high hopes for those.
Assuming I have to cut my teeth out in the Midwest or Houston for two or three years, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on how difficult the switch is from merchandising to physical trading in terms of recruitment and your experience of trying to lateral. I'm really open to trading to any commodity, frankly, because beggars can't be choosers in this job market, and at some point in time whatever commodity I'm in will take a shit and I will most likely be fired.
Thanks.
Starting in merchandising can be a solid foundation for transitioning to a trading desk, but it does come with its challenges. Based on the most helpful WSO content, here are some insights and advice:
Merchandising as a Stepping Stone:
Merchandising roles, especially in agricultural commodities, provide exposure to logistics, supply chain management, and customer relationships. These are critical skills that can translate well into physical trading. However, the transition often depends on your ability to demonstrate a deep understanding of the market, P&L responsibility, and your network within the industry.
Switching to Physical Trading:
Challenges in Recruitment:
Commodity Flexibility:
Advice for the First Few Years:
Long-Term Perspective:
In summary, while the switch from merchandising to trading is not easy, it's achievable with the right experience, networking, and persistence. Focus on excelling in your initial role, building relationships, and positioning yourself for opportunities down the line.
Sources: Q&A: I'm an Agricultural Commodities Trader, Transferring Commodities, 2019/2020 Sales & Trading Bonus Discussion, Q&A: Commodity Energy Merchant, Transitioning from tech to a serious finance job (yes, you read that right)
Merchandising = physical trading in ags not sure what the question is given that.
Oh. From the merchandisers I've talked to, the "traders" refer to strictly the guys on the futures desks. Merchandising is strictly cash/basis trading and deals more with logistics/supply chain, at least from what I can gather. Two different job titles and pay scales since the traders take more risk.
Given that, my question really is how easy/difficult is it to "lateral" up from merchandising at an ag house to trading at another ag house or commodities firm and what the experience is like.
Okay, you had asked about going from merchandising to physical trading in your initial post. If you are talking about physical to futures at the firms you listed I can give some degree of insight.
The Andersons/Delong/Scoulars of the world try to make their money in trading on physical (merchandising) and even though they've got futures and spec traders they aren't at this point putting lots of money in those desks. They appear to be more of a "nice to have" for their management. As such not a whole lot of opportunity to get promoted to spec but it definitely happens it's just not common due to low headcount needs. Regarding those petchem shops similar deal there's not a whole lot of investment into futures trading which makes sense since if you think about it you are trading non-futures traded products at those places for the most part (especially tricon). You will of course see natty guys and crude guys since that's feedstock for dow and lyondell but again there's just very little headcount needs and chances are they just hire someone from the outside whenever needs arise. ABCD is your best shot to trade futures on the ags side sooner rather than later since they actually have paths via robust junior programs that rotate you through different products along with them having the need to have a stocked bench for guys to trade paper plus enough turnover to create said promotion chances. Moving out of what I know but it seems the oil majors have similarly well regarded trainee/rotation programs but the caveat is that you spend some time not doing any trading before you do physical which is also before spec trading generally so you just have a long timeline even if the path is there.
I have never seen someone lateral to get promoted from physical to spec futures at a different shop but that isn't to say it doesn't happen. Also simmer down on the negativity bud, this junk moves in cycles and you might get a bad draw but the opposite can be true. One positive for ags is even though the pay sucks compared to the energy boys on equivalent jobs, that also creates a weird amount of natural turnover which is beneficial to somebody who blows out of a shop. Lotta words said but hope it all makes sense.
Thank you,
Looking back at my original post, I now realize it makes no fucking sense, lmao.
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