These are impressive numbers... but are these all strictly IBD positions, or they they also include back/middle office, or sales roles?
Strictly IBD. Does not include corporate, risk management, strategy, etc. This is only investment banking product and coverage positions.
To answer the other posters question - the % of pre-IBD experience is very, very low. I know of two explicitly and would say its probably not more than 5.
These are impressive numbers... but are these all strictly IBD positions, or they they also include back/middle office, or sales roles?
Strictly IBD. Does not include corporate, risk management, strategy, etc. This is only investment banking product and coverage positions.
To answer the other posters question - the % of pre-IBD experience is very, very low. I know of two explicitly and would say its probably not more than 5.
Damn. This sounds too good to be true. Maybe I should go for an MBA degree..
Only ~5 people recruiting for IBD at Booth had previous experience in IB? i don't mean to question this but it just seems really hard to believe for the amount of people that come from an IB background and the limited PE/HF opportunities. This is very good news though.
3 JPM Private Bank
1 GS Private Bank
2 CS Asset Mgmt
1 UBS Asset Mgtm
1 DFA
1 Each at Apaloosa, Luminus, and Eaton Vance
5 PIMCO
3 Franklin Templeton
2 T. Rowe Price
Hedge Fund recruiting is not over yet, so almost none of that is reported.
3 JPM Private Bank
1 GS Private Bank
2 CS Asset Mgmt
1 UBS Asset Mgtm
1 DFA
1 Each at Apaloosa, Luminus, and Eaton Vance
5 PIMCO
3 Franklin Templeton
2 T. Rowe Price
Hedge Fund recruiting is not over yet, so almost none of that is reported.
Wait... I thought private banking was just high net worth financial advisors... CSAM or GSAM make sense here. Do people that want HF opps really recruit for PB opps as well? I thought those wouldn't really be comparable.
3 JPM Private Bank
1 GS Private Bank
2 CS Asset Mgmt
1 UBS Asset Mgtm
1 DFA
1 Each at Apaloosa, Luminus, and Eaton Vance
5 PIMCO
3 Franklin Templeton
2 T. Rowe Price
Hedge Fund recruiting is not over yet, so almost none of that is reported.
Wait... I thought private banking was just high net worth financial advisors... CSAM or GSAM make sense here. Do people that want HF opps really recruit for PB opps as well? I thought those wouldn't really be comparable.
PB is HNW asset managment/allocation. Also should edit the above post. There is one GSAM and one GSPB.
There is not much cross over between PB and HF, you are correct.
3 JPM Private Bank
1 GS Private Bank
2 CS Asset Mgmt
1 UBS Asset Mgtm
1 DFA
1 Each at Apaloosa, Luminus, and Eaton Vance
5 PIMCO
3 Franklin Templeton
2 T. Rowe Price
Hedge Fund recruiting is not over yet, so almost none of that is reported.
3 JPM Private Bank
1 GS Private Bank
2 CS Asset Mgmt
1 UBS Asset Mgtm
1 DFA
1 Each at Apaloosa, Luminus, and Eaton Vance
5 PIMCO
3 Franklin Templeton
2 T. Rowe Price
Hedge Fund recruiting is not over yet, so almost none of that is reported.
No Fred Alger? No Fido? I'm forgetting some of the AM/Hf that recruited while I was at booth. I rememver AQR and SAC too. Where the hell is citadel? Actually nvm hf recruit really late.
3 JPM Private Bank
1 GS Private Bank
2 CS Asset Mgmt
1 UBS Asset Mgtm
1 DFA
1 Each at Apaloosa, Luminus, and Eaton Vance
5 PIMCO
3 Franklin Templeton
2 T. Rowe Price
Hedge Fund recruiting is not over yet, so almost none of that is reported.
No Fred Alger? No Fido? I'm forgetting some of the AM/Hf that recruited while I was at booth. I rememver AQR and SAC too. Where the hell is citadel? Actually nvm hf recruit really late.
Citadel hires very few MBAs. I think only 1 at booth last year got citadel, for the global equities group.
3 JPM Private Bank
1 GS Private Bank
2 CS Asset Mgmt
1 UBS Asset Mgtm
1 DFA
1 Each at Apaloosa, Luminus, and Eaton Vance
5 PIMCO
3 Franklin Templeton
2 T. Rowe Price
No Fred Alger? No Fido? I'm forgetting some of the AM/Hf that recruited while I was at booth. I rememver AQR and SAC too. Where the hell is citadel? Actually nvm hf recruit really late.
The real numbers are higher. Career services at all b-schools is still collating data from students.
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a buddy of mine just graduated from Booth, the summer between his 1st and 2nd year he interned for GS in NY. Got a return offer but ended up turning them down to do something else, so yes Booth and their students are ballers.
a buddy of mine just graduated from Booth, the summer between his 1st and 2nd year he interned for GS in NY. Got a return offer but ended up turning them down to do something else, so yes Booth and their students are ballers.
Booth is a great school, but i wouldn't describe their students as "ballers." Let's not get carried away here.
a buddy of mine just graduated from Booth, the summer between his 1st and 2nd year he interned for GS in NY. Got a return offer but ended up turning them down to do something else, so yes Booth and their students are ballers.
Booth is a great school, but i wouldn't describe their students as "ballers." Let's not get carried away here.
Then you don't know Booth students that well. You'd be surprised at the backgrounds of many Booth students (undergrad, WE experience, leadership, etc.). For example I once read on WSO that Booth has very few Ivy League undergrad alums and no one from Harvard undergrad goes to Booth. Wrong and very wrong. But you don't really see Booth post the stats on where its students completed undergrad. The thing about Booth is that neither the school nor the students wear accomplishments across their chests for everyone to see. It's a very low key place which often makes people underestimate the caliber of the school, its alums, and its students (hell I've even seen Booth students underestimate it). Just food for thought.
Nice list. I know an associate at a top boutique (think Evercore/GHL/Moelis) who went to Booth and had no prior IB experience (worked BO for a bank before).
I hope job placement reports like this, as well as other top schools, will put to rest the ridiculous anti-MBA arguments that have been made repeatedly.
I hope job placement reports like this, as well as other top schools, will put to rest the ridiculous anti-MBA arguments that have been made repeatedly.
I don't think the arguments are generally anti-MBA. They're more like "If I don't get into a top MBA, is it worth paying 200K + opportunity cost for a less regarded MBA."
I hope job placement reports like this, as well as other top schools, will put to rest the ridiculous anti-MBA arguments that have been made repeatedly.
I don't think the arguments are generally anti-MBA. They're more like "If I don't get into a top MBA, is it worth paying 200K + opportunity cost for a less regarded MBA."
I was mostly referring to the arguments made in other sites such as that ridiculous WSJ article which makes a bunch of strawmen arguments against the value of an MBA. Also, 300hours' thread on this topic was one of the most poorly reasoned things I've read on this site.
I hope job placement reports like this, as well as other top schools, will put to rest the ridiculous anti-MBA arguments that have been made repeatedly.
I don't think the arguments are generally anti-MBA. They're more like "If I don't get into a top MBA, is it worth paying 200K + opportunity cost for a less regarded MBA."
Agreed. I am always so amazed with how much my post-mba associates know. They are great source of knowledge, and their MBA gives them that.
The interim employment report for Booth students is out and I thought I would provide an update on how banking recruiting panned out for Booth first years. The numbers:
The geographic dispersion is:
Atlanta 1
Beijing 2
Brussels 1
Chicago 7
Chicago 1
Houston 4
London 6
Los Angeles 2
Milwaukee 1
Minneapolis 1
New York 42
New York 2
Palo Alto 3
San Francisco 4
Singapore 1
Hope this helps anyone who might be interested in by the numbers. If you are interested in any other industries let me know and I can dig up the data.
very impressive numbers, however not unexpected. from my understanding booth is a heavy finance program so it would only make sense many folks pursue IBD or other areas of finance.
can anyone provide the % of conversion to full time offers? its one thing to land a summer internship, its another to land a full time offer. just curious how that would stack up against these numbers.
From my understanding, folks at the M7 schools that are interested in investment banking pretty much always get a spot. These are the primary feeders to investment banking associate programs. The Top 20 are also feeders, but BB jobs are less of a lock at schools such as UNC and Darden as opposed to Booth / Kellogg / Columbia.
It was also mentioned above, but I'll reiterate that the folks that are typically pursuing IBD jobs at these schools did NOT do IBD beforehand. I've spoken to IBD Clubs at a couple of the top 7 schools and they primarily consist of career changes from totally unrelated roles that are looking to make a lot more money. Outside of banking and consulting, the coveted jobs really appear to be ones on the buyside.
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is it really almost 100% success rate? wouldn't the people who didn't get ib offers just say they were going for something else. i presume this is a self-reported survey right. do you have similar numbers for consulting?
is it really almost 100% success rate? wouldn't the people who didn't get ib offers just say they were going for something else. i presume this is a self-reported survey right. do you have similar numbers for consulting?
It is nearly 100%. I know this because we counted the number of people still heavily involved in banking recruiting near the end of the process and it was ~80. We ended up with 78 offers. I don't know the EXACT ratio, because the 80 number is an estimate (albeit a narrow one). It could easily be 78/79 or 78/81, but I confidently put in somewhere in that range (DISCLOSURE: I am not Career Services, so these are simply my best educated guesses). I personally can only think of one person who was interviewing during the last week of recruiting who got skunked, so there's that.
Here are the consulting numbers:
98 Students going to consulting.
86 Strategy Consulting
11 "Other" Consulting
1 IT Consulting
Strategy Firms:
A.T. Kearney, Inc. 6
Accenture 8
Bain & Company, Inc. 8
Booz & Company, Inc. 1
Deloitte Consulting 8
ECG Management Consultants, Inc. 1
JPMorganChase & Co. 1
Kurt Salmon 1
L.E.K. Consulting 2
McKinsey & Company, Inc. 23
PwC Advisory 2
Roland Berger Strategy Consultants GmbH 1
Samsung Group 1
Schlumberger Business Consulting 1
The Boston Consulting Group, Inc. 20
The Cambridge Group, Inc. 2
Other Firms:
Analysis Group Inc 1
Axiom Consulting Partners 1
Bellwether Education Partners 1
Civic Consulting Alliance 1
Ernst & Young LLP 1
Google Inc. 1
McKinsey & Company, Inc. 1
PwC Advisory 3
The Keystone Group 1
I have heard a rumor that all or nearly all of the MBB offers were cross offers with at least one other of the MBB, which ended up depressing the total number of accepts for MBB (i.e., there were far more offers extended than accepted positions, which is what the numbers above are)
98 Students going to consulting.
86 Strategy Consulting
11 "Other" Consulting
1 IT Consulting
...
I have heard a rumor that all or nearly all of the MBB offers were cross offers with at least one other of the MBB, which ended up depressing the total number of accepts for MBB (i.e., there were far more offers extended than accepted positions, which is what the numbers above are)
Wow, for that 1 person, it must really suck to go into IT consulting coming from Booth.
Btw, is the "86" Booth students going into Strat Consulting reliable? I know several people at Columbia MBA who were MBB before MBA and they got sponsored to go to b-school, with offers to come back. I heard that the number of these students at top b-schools is pretty substantial. So, I'd think the actual number of non-consulting pre-biz school folks who got strat consulting through MBA may in fact be much lower than the numbers thrown around here.
Looks like BCG is continuing to hire crazy amounts of MBAs again this year. Pretty impressive consulting numbers though, I wonder how it compares to Kelloggs numbers this year
Strictly IBD????? Oh man those are some high numbers. My school could never get numbers that high even if it tried to fake it. So this is the power of M7
2012 - 20 interns
2011 - 20 interns (Is this an error? 2011 employment report looks same as 2012)
2010 - 10 interns
2009 - 16 interns
2008 - 13 interns
2007 - 10 interns
vs.
2013 - 8 interns per above post. Slow year?
BCG looks like their high was 15 over that period, vs. 20 this year.
Who knows.
A friend of mine is a Bain associate and Booth alum. The word from this person was that the low Bain numbers were not due to a planned slow-down in hiring, but rather the surprising number of cross-offers this year. They gave roughly the same number of total offers this year as last, but more of those people had cross offers from McKinsey and BCG (which several of them apparently took). Not sure why they seemed to lose the battle a bit to those two (I don't really know anything about the consulting hierarchy).
2012 - 20 interns
2011 - 20 interns (Is this an error? 2011 employment report looks same as 2012)
2010 - 10 interns
2009 - 16 interns
2008 - 13 interns
2007 - 10 interns
vs.
2013 - 8 interns per above post. Slow year?
BCG looks like their high was 15 over that period, vs. 20 this year.
Who knows.
A friend of mine is a Bain associate and Booth alum. The word from this person was that the low Bain numbers were not due to a planned slow-down in hiring, but rather the surprising number of cross-offers this year. They gave roughly the same number of total offers this year as last, but more of those people had cross offers from McKinsey and BCG (which several of them apparently took). Not sure why they seemed to lose the battle a bit to those two (I don't really know anything about the consulting hierarchy).
Personally, I would pick BCG or McKinsey over Bain. Although my choices next year will most likely be more like Deloitte vs Accenture, and I would go for Deloitte for the same reasons. As an MBA/Post MBA, I want a corporate structure that is at worst 50/50 and at best Diamond shaped.
Do you get the same feeling from classmates, or is it just a coincidence?
How does recruiting differ for those targetting non-NY locations, specifically the SF Bay Area? I would imagine that most of the OCR for BBs is focused on positions in their NY offices and that recruiting outside of that requires a bit more legwork and self-direction.
How does recruiting differ for those targetting non-NY locations, specifically the SF Bay Area? I would imagine that most of the OCR for BBs is focused on positions in their NY offices and that recruiting outside of that requires a bit more legwork and self-direction.
I posted the office numbers in the original post, so hopefully that is informative.
The OCR is sometims firm focused, not necessarily office focused. For example, when BAML came they brought a lot of people from Palo Alto.
The people who were recruiting for SF made a separate trek out to the west coast. This was enough to get their names on the list, and everyone who wanted Bay Area got it.
Similar for Houston.
Office numbers were informative since most mba employment reports don't include a specific industry's geographic placement stats. Thanks for the info on the recruiting process.
kind of surprised DFA isn't bigger at Booth. still, impressive. I guess HSW has become HSWB.
DFA doesn't hire MBAs for investment roles, mostly PhDs. The one guy from my class who went to work there FT was at DFA prior to B-school.
Besides, didn't they move to Austin from LA? A slight downgrade for a late 20's finance guy/gal.
DFA's headquarters is in Austin, but they also have a big office in Santa Monica. Being a single finance guy living in SM, and making $150K+/year is a pretty sweet lifestyle. Ditto for PIMCO and newport beach, but that's not as ideal for young singles.
dude you are 25+ and in bschool, get off the internet and go get an actual social life. nobody cares abt this stuff - recruiting was over 4 months ago, and no one else at booth is on wall st oasis obsessing to an audience of bedwetting undergrads. how fcking pathetic.
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Booth is baller
Anyone have a guess on the percentage of those who were in IBD prior to MBA?
These are impressive numbers... but are these all strictly IBD positions, or they they also include back/middle office, or sales roles?
To answer the other posters question - the % of pre-IBD experience is very, very low. I know of two explicitly and would say its probably not more than 5.
Damn. This sounds too good to be true. Maybe I should go for an MBA degree..
Only ~5 people recruiting for IBD at Booth had previous experience in IB? i don't mean to question this but it just seems really hard to believe for the amount of people that come from an IB background and the limited PE/HF opportunities. This is very good news though.
strong to ...
Jesus.. Booth sends more than HYPWS?
Anybody have those numbers.......^
Huh? You realize we're talking about MBA programs, right?
Everyone always jabs at Booth, but it really isn't much of a step down in IB/PE/HF from HWS, if any.
9 at BAML? 2nd only to CS with 11... hot damn
where you heading boothorbust?
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Wonder what it's like to work in IBD in Brussels. Saw some house hunters episode there and houses were like $10,000
Thanks for stats! That's really impressive.
note to self: get into top mba
Any chance you could show the summer asset management placement at Booth?
Yup. This is what I'm interested in. I have zero interest in BB. I would love to see IM and HF placement.
Thanks for this. Further proof that a M7 MBA is the best degree for one's professional mobility. The MBA haters need to stop drinking the hatorade.
Aqr pimco jpm private banking
Investor associate explicitly lol
Here are some of the Asset Management/PB Numbers
3 JPM Private Bank 1 GS Private Bank 2 CS Asset Mgmt 1 UBS Asset Mgtm 1 DFA 1 Each at Apaloosa, Luminus, and Eaton Vance 5 PIMCO 3 Franklin Templeton 2 T. Rowe Price
Hedge Fund recruiting is not over yet, so almost none of that is reported.
Wait... I thought private banking was just high net worth financial advisors... CSAM or GSAM make sense here. Do people that want HF opps really recruit for PB opps as well? I thought those wouldn't really be comparable.
There is not much cross over between PB and HF, you are correct.
Thank you!
No Fred Alger? No Fido? I'm forgetting some of the AM/Hf that recruited while I was at booth. I rememver AQR and SAC too. Where the hell is citadel? Actually nvm hf recruit really late.
Citadel hires very few MBAs. I think only 1 at booth last year got citadel, for the global equities group.
The real numbers are higher. Career services at all b-schools is still collating data from students.
a buddy of mine just graduated from Booth, the summer between his 1st and 2nd year he interned for GS in NY. Got a return offer but ended up turning them down to do something else, so yes Booth and their students are ballers.
Booth is a great school, but i wouldn't describe their students as "ballers." Let's not get carried away here.
Nice list. I know an associate at a top boutique (think Evercore/GHL/Moelis) who went to Booth and had no prior IB experience (worked BO for a bank before).
I hope job placement reports like this, as well as other top schools, will put to rest the ridiculous anti-MBA arguments that have been made repeatedly.
I don't think the arguments are generally anti-MBA. They're more like "If I don't get into a top MBA, is it worth paying 200K + opportunity cost for a less regarded MBA."
I was mostly referring to the arguments made in other sites such as that ridiculous WSJ article which makes a bunch of strawmen arguments against the value of an MBA. Also, 300hours' thread on this topic was one of the most poorly reasoned things I've read on this site.
Agreed. I am always so amazed with how much my post-mba associates know. They are great source of knowledge, and their MBA gives them that.
very impressive numbers, however not unexpected. from my understanding booth is a heavy finance program so it would only make sense many folks pursue IBD or other areas of finance.
can anyone provide the % of conversion to full time offers? its one thing to land a summer internship, its another to land a full time offer. just curious how that would stack up against these numbers.
either way, very impressive.
From my understanding, folks at the M7 schools that are interested in investment banking pretty much always get a spot. These are the primary feeders to investment banking associate programs. The Top 20 are also feeders, but BB jobs are less of a lock at schools such as UNC and Darden as opposed to Booth / Kellogg / Columbia.
It was also mentioned above, but I'll reiterate that the folks that are typically pursuing IBD jobs at these schools did NOT do IBD beforehand. I've spoken to IBD Clubs at a couple of the top 7 schools and they primarily consist of career changes from totally unrelated roles that are looking to make a lot more money. Outside of banking and consulting, the coveted jobs really appear to be ones on the buyside.
is it really almost 100% success rate? wouldn't the people who didn't get ib offers just say they were going for something else. i presume this is a self-reported survey right. do you have similar numbers for consulting?
Here are the consulting numbers: 98 Students going to consulting. 86 Strategy Consulting 11 "Other" Consulting 1 IT Consulting
Strategy Firms: A.T. Kearney, Inc. 6 Accenture 8 Bain & Company, Inc. 8 Booz & Company, Inc. 1 Deloitte Consulting 8 ECG Management Consultants, Inc. 1 JPMorgan Chase & Co. 1 Kurt Salmon 1 L.E.K. Consulting 2 McKinsey & Company, Inc. 23 PwC Advisory 2 Roland Berger Strategy Consultants GmbH 1 Samsung Group 1 Schlumberger Business Consulting 1 The Boston Consulting Group, Inc. 20 The Cambridge Group, Inc. 2
Other Firms: Analysis Group Inc 1 Axiom Consulting Partners 1 Bellwether Education Partners 1 Civic Consulting Alliance 1 Ernst & Young LLP 1 Google Inc. 1 McKinsey & Company, Inc. 1 PwC Advisory 3 The Keystone Group 1
Technology: Deloitte 1
I have heard a rumor that all or nearly all of the MBB offers were cross offers with at least one other of the MBB, which ended up depressing the total number of accepts for MBB (i.e., there were far more offers extended than accepted positions, which is what the numbers above are)
Wow, for that 1 person, it must really suck to go into IT consulting coming from Booth.
Btw, is the "86" Booth students going into Strat Consulting reliable? I know several people at Columbia MBA who were MBB before MBA and they got sponsored to go to b-school, with offers to come back. I heard that the number of these students at top b-schools is pretty substantial. So, I'd think the actual number of non-consulting pre-biz school folks who got strat consulting through MBA may in fact be much lower than the numbers thrown around here.
Looks like BCG is continuing to hire crazy amounts of MBAs again this year. Pretty impressive consulting numbers though, I wonder how it compares to Kelloggs numbers this year
Strictly IBD????? Oh man those are some high numbers. My school could never get numbers that high even if it tried to fake it. So this is the power of M7
Bain numbers look low. I heard they were slowing down a bit. Good comment regarding BCG's continued growth.
Yeah, from Booth's webpage (http://www.chicagobooth.edu/employmentreport/employer.aspx?year=2012), for Bain:
2012 - 20 interns 2011 - 20 interns (Is this an error? 2011 employment report looks same as 2012) 2010 - 10 interns 2009 - 16 interns 2008 - 13 interns 2007 - 10 interns vs. 2013 - 8 interns per above post. Slow year?
BCG looks like their high was 15 over that period, vs. 20 this year.
Who knows.
Personally, I would pick BCG or McKinsey over Bain. Although my choices next year will most likely be more like Deloitte vs Accenture, and I would go for Deloitte for the same reasons. As an MBA/Post MBA, I want a corporate structure that is at worst 50/50 and at best Diamond shaped.
Do you get the same feeling from classmates, or is it just a coincidence?
Thanks for the info!
How does recruiting differ for those targetting non-NY locations, specifically the SF Bay Area? I would imagine that most of the OCR for BBs is focused on positions in their NY offices and that recruiting outside of that requires a bit more legwork and self-direction.
The OCR is sometims firm focused, not necessarily office focused. For example, when BAML came they brought a lot of people from Palo Alto.
The people who were recruiting for SF made a separate trek out to the west coast. This was enough to get their names on the list, and everyone who wanted Bay Area got it. Similar for Houston.
Office numbers were informative since most mba employment reports don't include a specific industry's geographic placement stats. Thanks for the info on the recruiting process.
kind of surprised DFA isn't bigger at Booth. still, impressive. I guess HSW has become HSWB.
DFA doesn't hire MBAs for investment roles, mostly PhDs. The one guy from my class who went to work there FT was at DFA prior to B-school.
Besides, didn't they move to Austin from LA? A slight downgrade for a late 20's finance guy/gal.
DFA's headquarters is in Austin, but they also have a big office in Santa Monica. Being a single finance guy living in SM, and making $150K+/year is a pretty sweet lifestyle. Ditto for PIMCO and newport beach, but that's not as ideal for young singles.
dude you are 25+ and in bschool, get off the internet and go get an actual social life. nobody cares abt this stuff - recruiting was over 4 months ago, and no one else at booth is on wall st oasis obsessing to an audience of bedwetting undergrads. how fcking pathetic.
btw your data isnt even accurate.
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