Associate / Senior Associate Carry

Wanted to get some references for what amount carry at Associate / Senior Associate level amounts to (for those that get to enjoy it). To the ones that have: what is your amount (and for what level)?

Looking at Heidrick & Struggles it suggests anywhere up to 1-2m so curious to see whether really every Associate that gets carry walks around with such an amount (which would essentially double your base comp)?

 

You vest each year. The calculation is roughly total bps/# of years. If it is a 5 year vesting schedule, then each year you get 20%. If you quit lets say the 3rd year, you get 60%. However, each fund and each contract is different but there is situation where if they let you go without cause, you end up receiving the whole 100%. But the key difference between vesting and receiving payment is that some funds have American waterfall where others are European. In the European waterfall, you will not see a dime till the LP gets their money back plus 6-8% per year hurdle. In summary, if your fund has a European waterfall, you will not see a dime till year 7 or 8. 

 

The way it works at my fund is that they size up the entire carry pool to a dollar figure based on return assumptions (roughly equal to fund size * hurdle rate * GP carry %). From there, your dollar amount of carry is converted into a percentage of the entire pool which is what you actually are assigned.

So, if the fund performs to spec then you get that dollar amount, but that figure can vary meaningfully.

 
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The numbers will be all over the place depending on fund size, AUM, location, etc, so it's hard to say what market comp is for this. As a general rule of thumb.

Associates - No Carry. It just doesn't make sense. The timeline of carry won't match up for an Associate who might be 2/3 years and out. At really small funds, they might give you a little bit as a token of "we all share in the economics". If you were negotiating, you'd be better off asking for phantom carry that pays out on a deal by deal basis, or the right to co-invest in deals.

Senior Associates - At large, established funds, it's still unlikely you'll get carry here. Large and established are tough to define, but I'd say any fund with more than a couple of billion in AUM and you're likely not getting much carry here. With that being said, smaller funds, you might be able to argue for more here, especially if you're a pretty Senior, Senior Associate and by that I mean post-MBA or an experienced lateral hire. If you were going to get carry at this level, I'd expect somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-150bps, again depending very much on fund size. The target carry dollars at work will likely be a mid-ish 6 figure amount, so you can use that to calibrate. Maybe evening getting close to 7 figures if you're basically given a VP carry package with the expectation that you'd get promoted pretty quickly after your senior associate stint.

VPs - This is where you'll start to receive carry, I wouldn't take a role without it. Again, it varies all over the place, but what I've generally seen is $1-3M in carry at work which usually translates into 100-300bps depending on fund size and fund staffing. 

This is all what I've seen in the MM, can't speak for UMM/Megafunds.

 

Can't comment, just because it becomes too variable and I have no personal experience. Principal I'd assume another couple hundred basis points, Partner is impossible to tell, really depends on the firm dynamics. Some Managing partners might be very generous with the carry, others might keep a lionshare. Also depends on how many managing/founding partners there are vs how many promoted partners there are. You're always going to somewhat be at the mercy of the managing/founding partners. If you think of the share of the carry as being 100% total, I doubt that as promoted partner you're getting more than 10% or so. This is why you see a lot of folks some spinning out and starting up their own funds at the Principal/Junior Partner level.

 

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