Hey everyone, if I'm deadset on NYC IB, which of these two schools would provide the best OCR, alumni, and resources for NYC IB?
Before you suggest other schools on the east coast, I'm only limited to these two schools and cost is not a limiting factor.
Thank you for your time.
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Both are great schools and targets for west coast IB, but I'd say HAAS has an advantage.
Berkeley. Without a doubt.
Cal for sure.
Agree with above, both place strongly into west coast... there is not much if any NYC OCR at either school, OCR and most alumni are SF/LA/some Houston. You’ll find some NY alums, but it’s an uphill battle being on the other coast.
How hard would it be for NYC IB if I didn't get accepted into the undergrad b-school at Haas? I would be majoring in just economics if that were to happen.
Probably difficult, you would have to hustle a bit. Berkeley Econ is still a very very good degree, but NYC IB is hard from the west coast to begin with, not getting into the business school is another degree of separation.
NYC IB from any West Coast school is going to be hard, even if you're in Haas, though that would certainly help - there's just far fewer OCR and networking events, there's very little need for BBs to send recruiters over from New York when they can just get their SF offices to recruit you instead (which they will, in great quantity).
I would pick Cal. Not to say that UCLA recruiting is bad by any means, it places really well every year but Cal and if you can swing it particularly Haas have one of the best placement records on the west coast. However, I'm specifically talking SF placement. I would really recommend you reconsider SF - you're going to have good odds at any west coast BB/EB coming from Cal or UCLA.
Berk landslide
Berkeley, but agree with above posters and will say it’s an uphill battle for both schools no matter how good the school is, just because they’re on the other coast.
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Placement gets really absurd if you get into Haas, look here: https://career.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Survey/2017Haas-Bus… Haas consistently has classes that send 10+ kids to Goldman alone. There are like 60+ kids out of the 270 that responded that are going to top BB/EB.
This is great info but also doesn’t mention the location. I know Haas sends many, many people to the GS SF TMT/West Region Advisory Group which is still an amazing office but is not in the NY office. My friend at Haas said that’s there as usually couple of GS NY placements every year regardless but the data should be prefaced by stating not all of these offers are NY offers
That link shows 8 people to GS not 10+. Of those 8, 7 are in IB and 1 is in BO/MO.
MS has only 1 for IB.
JPM has 3 or 4 for IB, 1 more for S&T, and 2 or 3 for BO/MO.
I haven't checked your 60+ claim.
While I agree recruiting at Cal is better than at UCLA, I would certainly not say the recruiting scene is doomed. For what it's worth, all of my friends at UCLA had offers before the school year ended.
From my experience, there's just not that many kids interested in banking to begin with at UCLA, so output is low, but most kids who were truly interested and qualified for banking got really solid offers.
This ^.
I'm confused now. Is USC a better option than Berkeley for NY IB?
I think its more like Hass > USC TIS = UCLA IBA = Cal Berkeley Econ
I'm not entirely familiar with Berkley's placement in NYC, but I do know that USC's placement is pretty great.
The Trojan alumni network is unbelievable - I would argue the best in the US.
I would rank it as follows. Hass = Marshall > UCLA = Cal Econ *Hass may have a slight advantage but I wouldn't say it is noticeably superior.
All are great schools and will provide you the ability to work in NYC if you put in the effort. The differences are minor - I would focus more on where you see yourself personally fitting in the best. Each campus has a very different vibe.
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Berk
Cal is basically only SF, and a small group at NY. A tiny bit of LA. That's it. The OCR is pretty much only for SF as well, and you'd have to network into the NY and LA offices. However, we do have an absolute lock on SF. The New York alums are also almost exclusively at BBs as well. If you think you can crush it here, 3.7+ and good ECs, get into one of the business frats, you should be good. Otherwise, it's hard.
Second this ^
It is possible to get NY pulls albeit those are more random than anything since OCR reps and alumni from on-campus orgs are overwhelmingly SF offices. That said, Berkeley reputation is still drastically stronger than UCLA in terms of East Coast finance and I see far more representation from Cal there than any other West Coast school. Even then, I'd recommend keeping your options open as the top SF groups consistently take Berkeley kids (GS SF TMT, MS Menlo, Qatalyst).
I will caveat that almost everyone I know who got NYC offers were Haas students/accepted into the major. West Coast banks don't care as much bc they're more familiar with Cal, but East Coast seems to notice the Haas name brand far more.
Also agree about the business frats- they're not necessary to break into banking by any means, but having the alumni network and resources helps tremendously when recruiting. You'd get far more help and support from one of those than from the career center/other organizations, especially by virtue of the fact that it's a huge public school.
Feel free to PM me with any questions.
Thank you for all of your adivce
Why are you so set on NY IB? The elite offices on the west coast (MS Menlo, GS TMT, Moelis LA) are just as good as the best east coast gigs. Is it just where you’d like to live?
I feel like NYC is the financial capital of the world, and there are hundreds of BBs, EBs, boutiques, and family shops available for me to exit. Additionally, from what I read, the pay is much higher than anywhere else in the world with base + bonus for an EB analyst ranging anywhere from 120k-180k.
I don't know if SF or Charlotte or Atlanta or Houston offer the same level of compensation.
Top EBs in Houston have the same comp you listed w/ a cheaper cost of living, but as you can tell by my username I am bias.
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I think USC offers the best of both worlds as you have really great LA ops and also pretty good SF /NY. There's 2 USC students at PJT RSSG, which I think is pretty big.
UCLA vs UCB undergrad (Originally Posted: 04/02/2013)
I am a high school senior and was recently admitted to Berkeley and UCLA. I live in SoCal and love UCLA, but I have not visited Berkeley. I am interested in a job in finance in the future. Obviously, Haas is the main selling point of Berkeley. If I got into Haas, I would have that name on my resume plus the opportunities and education that come along with it. Not to mention the Bay Area recruiting, which I have heard is much more plentiful than that of the Los Angeles area.
I know this question may seem pointless because I have not visited Berkeley yet and could thus base my decision off the visit, but I will have very little time to decide after seeing the campus (I got admitted to the spring semester and would have to register for the fall extension program on the 22nd, two days after my planned visit on Cal Day). Basically, is the difference between Haas and UCLA biz-econ that large at an undergrad level? Or will my prospects for business school in the future be largely unaffected by my choice in this situation? I realize that there are many, many more factors that go into that question such as internship/job experience and gmat score, but I just want to know if I would be making a complete mistake by turning down the possibility of Haas undergad.
Berkeley has a little bit better recruiting, but UCLA is a little less competitive, which means your chances are slightly better. There are Cal guys in LA and UCLA guys in the Bay Area, so that shouldn't be a concern of yours. They're both great schools and will be viewed the same way if/when you want to get an MBA.
I'd just base it on social scene, location, "fit," etc. Can't go wrong either way.
Bullshit, LA is just as, if not more, competitive than berkly because it gets so many kids wanting to party in LA. UCLA has the most amount freshmen apps in the US.
Being I could have gone to Berkly or UCLA, I can give some perspective here. Berkly has better recruiting, especially finance. If you stay in Cali, they're treated about equal but once you go out of the west coast, people think UCLA and Berkly are different leagues apart. For this reason, I kind of regret not taking Berkly even if to stay near family.
says the guy who can't spell Berkeley...
Berkeley is has way better recruiting for banking plus more alumni in finance plus better overall name. West Coast Recruiting: Stanford>=Berkeley>UCLA=USC Plus if your interested in NY there is some NY recruiting at Berkeley, not much but some.
You will have almost the same opps at UCLA, but more of them at Berkeley. GS TMT, MS Menlo Park, JPM TMT, Qatalyst and all other BB tech/hc groups in the bay have waaay more Berkeley alumni than UCLA or even Stanford a simple linkedin search will verify.
However if you want to stay in LA then UCLA might have a recruiting advantage, LA banks recruit from Berkeley, but I feel that the first picks come from UCLA/USC/Claremont. That being said most Berkeley kids want to do tech in the Bay(except maybe if it was Moelis) so I would say LA opportunities are equal at Berkeley and UCLA
Same shit. Chase happiness, not a resume.
UCLA isn't close to USC for west coast recruiting Berkeley hands down
I'd go UCB. Underrated campus and better career opportunities. Plus, I happen to enjoy the SF area more.
Can't go wrong though, UCLA has the hot women, good parties, and solid education.
Location: Take a trip to Berkeley first. The campus and location isnt for everyone. UCLA is in Brentwood, a very nice upscale area with a beach nearby, while Cal is in the hills with Oakland (SF equivalent of Compton/South Central) nearby.
Recruiting: I know people from both schools who had offers for all top banks in the Bay Area. Be at the top of your class and no-one is going to ding you for either school.
My personal choice would have been UCLA even though I follow all Cal sports. The campus is usually cold and grey while UCLA is usually quite sunny. Food is way better around Cal tho, cant beat Top Dog
Ended up choosing UCLA, thanks for all the advice everyone. I visited Berkeley and just did not like the atmosphere much. I also found the visit day for UCLA to be much more organized and well-run, as opposed to the surprisingly disorganized event at Cal. I know i'll have to work a little harder at UCLA to get the same opportunities available to Cal students, but i'd rather spend my four years at the college i personally prefer. Lesson learned is that campus visits= a must
Both schools will get you into banking if you want it. Cold emailing people in new york from either school is a lot easier than it sounds to get your foot in the door and land interviews.
There is less competition amongst your peers at UCLA to go into banking, which can make it easier to land something. At Cal, more people try for it and more people get in. Put shortly, if you are already set on going into banking, both schools will afford you an equal chance at getting a job.
Between these two schools, this should NOT even be a factor in your decision. Where would you want to live for 4 years? LA or Easy Bay? What kind of weather do you like? Have you visited both campuses? (UCLA is a much much much nicer place to live and go to college) Did you think about what internships you can do freshman and sophomore year at either school? Might be easier at UCLA to get yourself to an internship during the school year (rather than hitting bart on weekdays to the SF). Which would you go to if you werent going to do finance?
Haas vs Business Econ / Accounting is an equal fight. People from UCLA are much stronger in accounting than anywhere else (and this is super important to be good in IB - accounting is tough to self teach).
Transfer: Berkeley(Haas) or UCLA? (Originally Posted: 07/27/2011)
After high school I chose to go to a community college instead of going to a private semi-target since I was going to pile on too much debt. I'm transfering now and was wondering which school I should transfer to: UC Berkeley- Haas or UCLA- Math/Econ double major with an accounting minor?
I want to get into equity research after college. I really want to go to UCLA, but I know that Haas is much more well known and prestigious. However, I'm afraid I'm not going to really learn anything besides business at Haas and I actually want a college experience. Do you guys have any recommendations?
Are there even any places where I could get into equity research in Los Angeles if I decide to go to UCLA?
no, go to haas if you want the highest chance to get a finance job
Yeah, that's what I think too, but I just feel like I'll get a better education at UCLA though the only thing keeping me from going there is the recruiting done at Haas.
What makes you think you'll get a better education at UCLA compared to Berkeley?
education is overrated and you will probably learn the same in both UCs Ucla does have a nicer campus and you will probably have a lot more fun there but UCB hands down if you want to continue in the finance route.
Why can't you do a dual major at Haas?
I can't dual major with Haas and finish in 2 years. I guess you guys are right about my chances for finance by going to haas
This reminds me of the kid who was asking whether he should go to harvard or university of texas if his goal is a job in finance.
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