I started out emailing and it was largely unsuccessful, so I started calling today. Nice to actually be able to talk to someone, so I would definitely recommend calling.

 

At what frequency and for duration should cold call the hiring manager for a posted job?

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
 

Put yourself in the person's shoes...they don't know you, they are busy, they might be mad and then here you go and call randomly and start talking about how you'd like to learn more...plus you might be one of many ppl doing this! It might work sometimes but i think the email although much easier to delete is also more comfortable (they don't know you so impersonal is good).

I attach my resume most of the time, so that way the person knows who he/she is dealing with and there are no surprises, but some ppl advise not to do that because it seems like you are pushing for a job right away. Basically, use your judgment on this one because noone really knows and it is different for different situations.

Do what you want not what you can!
 

So email it is. What would be the best way to transition from email to call. I was thinking something like

" Mr. ______ I would like to ask you some more questions on the phone, when would be a good time to call?"

This way he cant really say no, and its polite.

Good?

 
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Can somebody please answer the following question regarding cold calling email:

1) Once I find the email contact of the HR/ Recruiter of the firm. I apply as follows

Email Types: HR or Recruiter Emails Subject Title : Atish R Das Resume (Financial Analyst 686939). I attach my cover letter in the email body with my resume attach similar to when I apply online. The cover letter is about 4-5 paragraphs no more than 1 page. Recommendation???

2) After that try to find Manager or V/ MD email addresses: Once I get there information, I write something short and concise something like this Email Types: Manager/VP or MD Emails

Subject Title: Perfect Candidate for Financial Analyst If you could assist me regarding the Financial Analyst position that I applied in the credit fund department. Please consider that my application is currently being reviewed at your firm. I am requesting a second review by your person. I have included my Visual CV link of my resume for your consideration. Thank you for your help. Regards, Atish Das

3) Finding contact information I use the following ways. 1) Bloomberg terminal, 2) Hoover database in order to find manager's name, email sometimes contact number. In the database search it only list Financial office, VP, MD, Manager but does not specifically tell that this he or she works for that particular department, that I applied for that job via online. Example: Business operations area within Global Finance Operations for Business Analyst for JP Morgan. I may only get list of JP Morgan Executive, CEO, President, manager etc in NYC

4) The reason being if I send to many manager or Financial officer he or she will send it to the HR, in that sense it will show bad against me and less chance getting the interview for a particular job.

If somebody could give me a suggestion if there is a better route. Also somebody could answer the four following questions. It would be a great help for me

Thanks for all your input Atish

 

I wouldn't cold call an actual banker, but I have no problem calling the company's main line which 99% of the time directs one to the secretary. then I work my charm on her and she can't resist.

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I always email people - never call before you are given the number by the person and asked to give a call. I'm now on MBA and did it thousands times: got premium account on LinkedIn (to look for more people), find first some people that I have something in common with (e.g. my schools, my former companies, industry I know well, my nationality, even hobbies) and write e-mails stating that I want to have a quick chat and giving them some points on my background (that may be relevant to them). I'd say 10-15 short sentences.

Before it was said right about resume: the best way is to wait for the person to ask you for it.

My stat is the following: 50% of people respond for the 1st cold e-mail and happy to talk; out of this another 50% ask for my resume and promise to refer me to either other people within a company or to HR team. But don't attach your resume to the cold e-mail - I was told it by personal coaches several times. The same applies to business cards: never give it to a person unless asked specifically for it - otherwise you will seem like a soliciting.

If the person don't answer your first e-mail, write exactly the same message (assuming your first was good enough) and never forward your old message. This way you will show the person that you are really interested but don't want to accuse him for not answering your message - people are really busy and at times it took me like up to 4 messages to get a respond, but in the end I met these people and they were superhelpful just because they knew how long I was trying to get to them.

Use wise subject: e.g. Referred by John Smith or Kind request about Name of the company from X school/firm alum or Follow-up on presentation at school X on Date.

Hope this helps.

 

DON'T EVER cold call or blind-send e-mails. From a personal prospective, do you enjoy it when a telemarketer calls you during dinner to sell you aluminum siding? Do you like it when your mail consists mainly of fliers advertising Snuggies and other infomercial products? Cold calling and blind e-mails suggest desperation. DON'T EVER show a potential employer that you are desperate, even if you are. Employers hire competent employees, not desperate people. If you don't believe me, when was the last time you "donated" to a beggar on the street?

If you really want to make a GOOD IMPRESSION, attend a conference or seminar in a field or industry you enjoy AND possess knowledge about. Not only will you learn something new, you'll have the opportunity to network with like-minded individuals. These contacts may eventually lead to employment positions. If you perform some research, some of these events may be low-cost or even free. Keep in mind that networking involves casual yet professional conversation so don't attempt to sell yourself to everyone you meet. If the discussion doesn't lead into your employment goals, don't force it in that direction. If the point hasn't come across yet, desperation=losers.

 

Always email first. Tell them where you found their information--this is key. Don't hand in a resume unless you are asking for them to "pass you down."

The alternative is sending snail mail with a resume and cover letter.

^ Agree with Frankie on the conferences and industry events. Wise investments.

 

Well you are running a little late with some MM firms, but just say you are so and so, you go to Blank school and you are very interesting in learning about Investment Banking. Say what kind of experience you have in 1 sentence and finish with I was hoping that you may have some time to talk on the phone briefly about your experiences and any advice you maybe able to offer me. Under the header, say like Blank undergrad seeking career advice in investment banking. Through my experience I got a reply maybe once for every 4 emails I sent.

 
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Well you are running a little late with some MM firms, but just say you are so and so, you go to Blank school and you are very interesting in learning about Investment Banking. Say what kind of experience you have in 1 sentence and finish with I was hoping that you may have some time to talk on the phone briefly about your experiences and any advice you maybe able to offer me. Under the header, say like Blank undergrad seeking career advice in investment banking. Through my experience I got a reply maybe once for every 4 emails I sent.

And then what? How do you end it, so they know you're interested in seeking a job at their firm/if there are any open positions?

 

Well then it should be the same thing, you are a little late to the game, but end the call saying how do I best position myself to get an interview with their firm and what kind of advice can you offer me going forward with my search for a FT job. Like one MD at a BB told me it might take talking to 20 people before you get something lined up, its all about numbers as long as you have a decent GPA and related experience. Then there is also the luck factor. Hope that helps

 

Pick up the phone. Shows you have balls. That's how I got my current job. Called my boss every two weeks for a year. Interviewed with 40 other people. There is no question many of them had higher GPAs, went to better schools, more internships etc. Granted, I am in sales, but the way I see it is, you got your foot in the door....time to get your ass in the seat. If he doesn't pick up your call, and doesn't call you back, write a good email or consider calling him back after a week or two. I called him current MD a handful of times after our first contact and didn't get a response. I kept calling.

 
DontSleep:
Pick up the phone. Shows you have balls. That's how I got my current job. Called my boss every two weeks for a year. Interviewed with 40 other people. There is no question many of them had higher GPAs, went to better schools, more internships etc. Granted, I am in sales, but the way I see it is, you got your foot in the door....time to get your ass in the seat. If he doesn't pick up your call, and doesn't call you back, write a good email or consider calling him back after a week or two. I called him current MD a handful of times after our first contact and didn't get a response. I kept calling.

Any suggestion on when the best time to holler at someone in ER would be?

 
DontSleep:
Pick up the phone. Shows you have balls. That's how I got my current job. Called my boss every two weeks for a year. Interviewed with 40 other people. There is no question many of them had higher GPAs, went to better schools, more internships etc. Granted, I am in sales, but the way I see it is, you got your foot in the door....time to get your ass in the seat. If he doesn't pick up your call, and doesn't call you back, write a good email or consider calling him back after a week or two. I called him current MD a handful of times after our first contact and didn't get a response. I kept calling.

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^Echo. If you're slick on the phone, then go for it. He'll probably be pleasantly surprised to hear from you but don't make it clear that the only reason you're calling is b/c you need him. Even though you do

 

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