Conversation with a HBS alum

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Last night I met a recent HBS alum through a mutual friend. We were just relaxing at a bar and talked about a bunch of stuff. I of course asked him about his experiences at HBS and his thoughts on it. Some choice quotes from that conversation:

"HBS completely transformed my life. Anyone who gets in has to go."

"My classmates were easily the most impressive and interesting group of people I've met."

"It's shallow, but girls absolutely love HBS guys. My confidence went through the roof while I was there."

"I didn't really learn anything at HBS, aside from knowing how to hold my liquor, knowing the best hotels to stay at, and just being a douchebag in general."

He also told a lot of stories about his experiences at HBS, which were quite amazing. I think a lot of this applies to other top b-schools as well. Without a doubt, b-school is the best 2 years of one's life.

Comments (90)

Dec 9, 2011

Did you remember to cup the balls?

Dec 9, 2011

:-O <=========8
^Brady ^HBS

Really? This again?

Dec 9, 2011

Is this a serious post?

Dec 9, 2011

This is so bromantic.

"Do you mind if I take notes? I'm posting some of your most choice quotes on WSO."

Dec 9, 2011
Brady4MVP:

Without a doubt, b-school is the best 2 years of one's life.

How many times are you going to tell people this?... If you're baller enough to get into HBS, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to have a better time when you don't have to go to classes at all (with the money from your badass I job, I presume).

I'm pretty convinced you're just resorting to trolling now though...

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

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Dec 9, 2011
scottj19x89:
Brady4MVP:

Without a doubt, b-school is the best 2 years of one's life.

How many times are you going to tell people this?... If you're baller enough to get into HBS, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to have a better time when you don't have to go to classes at all (with the money from your badass I job, I presume).

I'm pretty convinced you're just resorting to trolling now though...

Being in school is so much better than working.

Dec 9, 2011

God shut up. You're embarrassing yourself. On the internet. Think about that.

Dec 9, 2011
Brady4MVP:

"HBS completely transformed my life. Anyone who gets in has to go."

"I didn't really learn anything at HBS

Money well spent.

Dec 9, 2011

I'll ask the question everybody seems to be afraid to ask: So, were you the pitcher or catcher after you two bro's left the bar?

Dec 9, 2011
txjustin:

I'll ask the question everybody seems to be afraid to ask: So, were you the pitcher or catcher after you two bro's left the bar?

do you even have to ask?

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Dec 9, 2011

Salad tossing

Dec 9, 2011

How could you think this thread was a good idea!?

Dec 9, 2011
Brady4MVP:

"My classmates were easily the most impressive and interesting group of people I've met."

This part is such horseshit

Dec 9, 2011
kop:
Brady4MVP:

"My classmates were easily the most impressive and interesting group of people I've met."

This part is such horseshit

not to felate HBS or anything... but i would imagine the world's best business school would have a group of people who were either very impressive (Ivy League pedigree, McKinsey, Goldman, private equity,etc) or very interesting (decent stats with an extremely compelling life story)... maybe both.

I buy that.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

Dec 9, 2011
kop:
Brady4MVP:

"My classmates were easily the most impressive and interesting group of people I've met."

This part is such horseshit

Not horseshit at all. Everyone I know who went to HBS said similar things. The diversity and depth of the HBS class is astounding.

Dec 9, 2011

ratinamaze is to dating posts as brady is to HBS posts :)

Dec 9, 2011
Brady4MVP:

Last night I met a recent HBS alum through a mutual friend. We were just relaxing at a bar and talked about a bunch of stuff. I of course asked him about his experiences at HBS and his thoughts on it. Some choice quotes from that conversation:

"HBS completely transformed my life. Anyone who gets in has to go."

"My classmates were easily the most impressive and interesting group of people I've met."

"It's shallow, but girls absolutely love HBS guys. My confidence went through the roof while I was there."

"I didn't really learn anything at HBS, aside from knowing how to hold my liquor, knowing the best hotels to stay at, and just being a douchebag in general."

He also told a lot of stories about his experiences at HBS, which were quite amazing. I think a lot of this applies to other top b-schools as well. Without a doubt, b-school is the best 2 years of one's life.

You applying to HBS this year big guy?

Dec 9, 2011

I saw this title.
Then I thought, "No way this can be a Brady thread, it's too obvious."
Then I came back and clicked it anyway.
It was a Brady thread, JOY!

Hilarity.

Dec 10, 2011
A Posse Ad Esse:

I saw this title.
Then I thought, "No way this can be a Brady thread, it's too obvious."
Then I came back and clicked it anyway.
It was a Brady thread, JOY!

Hilarity.

It's like a machine, he just wont.... fucking.... stop

Dec 10, 2011
A Posse Ad Esse:

I saw this title.
Then I thought, "No way this can be a Brady thread, it's too obvious."
Then I came back and clicked it anyway.
It was a Brady thread, JOY!

Hilarity.

Hahaha! Same here man, except I pictured it with this:

shorttheworld:

brady just

JIZZED

IN

HIS PANTS

playing in the background. lol

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis, you can't trust people Jeremy

Dec 9, 2011

if it's any consolation Brady, i'd be gay for HBS too if i stood any chance of getting in (i do not).

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

Dec 9, 2011
Brady4MVP:

"HBS completely transformed my life. Anyone who gets in has to go."

Paul Tudor Jones disagreed with this sentiment 100% and it appears to have treated him quite well. If academia transforms your life, well it must have been a miserable 26 years thus far.

Brady4MVP:

"My classmates were easily the most impressive and interesting group of people I've met."

Pretty conceited but that should be expected from MBA grads.

Brady4MVP:

"It's shallow, but girls absolutely love HBS guys. My confidence went through the roof while I was there."

Two years at HBS is somewhere around $170k right? Two viagra tabs will run you $4. Unless you need 42,500 tabs of viagra throughout your lifetime, viagra is a better value.

Brady4MVP:

"I didn't really learn anything at HBS, aside from knowing how to hold my liquor, knowing the best hotels to stay at, and just being a douchebag in general."

Wasn't this for undergrad? Again, based on most MBAs I have met, it isn't only HBS that can teach you to be a socially repugnant douchebag.

Brady4MVP:

He also told a lot of stories about his experiences at HBS, which were quite amazing. I think a lot of this applies to other top b-schools as well. Without a doubt, b-school is the best 2 years of one's life.

The number of red flags that have been raised here is incredible. I actually pity you and hope that some day you come to your senses and realize that nearly $200000 pissed away over 2 years for the sake of finding good hotels and being chummy with other burnt out finance assholes is not the pinnacle of ones life.

Dec 9, 2011

Cash4Gold:

  1. Thanks for bringing up the case of Paul Tudor Jones, who is an extreme anomaly. This is similar to people who say, "a college degree is not that important. after all, look at bill gates and mark zuckerberg!"
  2. How is it conceited? HBS brings together a very impressive student body.
  3. What does viagra have to do with this? Lol. That comment was about social confidence around women, not whether or not you can get your dick up.
  4. B-school is expensive for sure. But ultimately, coming out of a top school, you will more than make up for it in the course of your career. And every study confirms this. More importantly, you get exposed to opportunities that were previously not available to you (at HBS this past year more than 1500 companies came to campus or posted jobs). Socially speaking, b-school is like the last time in your life when you can pretty much do whatever you want in terms of partying and travelling without any repercussions. Once you start working full-time, get married and have a family, you just can't live the care-free life that b-school students live.

I think you fundamentally misunderstand what goes on in b-school.

Dec 9, 2011
Brady4MVP:

I think you fundamentally misunderstand what goes on in b-school.

Really? REALLY????

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Dec 9, 2011

Hi Brady, I'm a HBS alum as you know. Undoubtedly, HBS is a terrific school and the people you meet, you stand to gain a significant amount from. However, I find your somewhat obsession with HBS to be disconcerting and fuelled by an image that is not entirely correct. When you messaged me, I gave you a small sample of what I thought HBS was like but I didnt cover everything. The aspects you mention this alum disclosed is misrepresenting HBS and frankly the class I was with. Many were hard working, honest, family-orientated individuals who saw this opportunity as it is - the peak of their education and the chance to reach the pinnacle of their business/position, etc. You're not wrong that there is plenty of opportunity for fun but it appears to me, from this post, that this appears to be your sole motivation to get to Harvard.

In fact I found my time at Harvard Kennedy School, where I did a dual degree with HBS, to be much more enjoyable. I tended to stay away from the stereotypical finance idiots, as I had no desire to network with them or join their 'paid vacation' (as so many put it). Frankly, they were highly immature, and I left that part of my life back in college. At HKS, people were much more refined, articulate and simply, more pleasant.

Its sad that this is what HBS means to you. Especially when you consider the notion that many of my HKS alum have sought and found various finance positions, and your questions didnt even discuss my background there.

Its embarrassing to me as a HBS alum that there are people, like the one you had a talk with, out there also being referred to as a HBS alum. I would focus my goals rather then being attracted to some shallow life, that frankly even HBS is attempting to shed away, considering the latest recruits they have. You'll be in for a rude awakening. Saying that, I am happy to answer any more questions you may have.

"Teachers open the door, you enter by yourself".

Nov 7, 2013

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Dec 9, 2011

I saw this title.
Then I thought, "No way this can be a Brady thread, it's too obvious."
Then I came back and clicked it anyway.
It was a Brady thread, JOY!

Hilarity.

haha...I had a similar thought. I saw the title and thought "brady is going to cream himself when he sees this thread" then i realized that it was his own thread.

Dec 9, 2011
harvardgrad08:

I saw this title.
Then I thought, "No way this can be a Brady thread, it's too obvious."
Then I came back and clicked it anyway.
It was a Brady thread, JOY!

Hilarity.

haha...I had a similar thought. I saw the title and thought "brady is going to cream himself when he sees this thread" then i realized that it was his own thread.

He started this thread and then proceeded to fap out of control while re-reading it.

Dec 9, 2011

Brady, man, what are you trying to prove to whom? If you think its a good investment, than by all means go for it. If I decide it's not, then it doesn't affect your life at all. But all your bravado about HBS and the M7 bullshit only presumably increases your competition, if you believe your posts make us want to attend those programs that much more.

Dec 9, 2011

Why only question is why? Why do you have such an obsession with an institution... This is something that you might want to get checked out.

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

Dec 9, 2011

I appreciate the kind words. I just felt so many people have this bubble of what Harvard or Yale or Oxford or whatever may be and how it consumes them. I'm not too happy doing this but I went through your past posts Brady and I was genuinely astounded. Shocked even. I was fortunate enough to get into the school, as it appears others were too so perhaps the days spent fantasising and populating an internet forum as to your desire for Harvard, get out there and make it happen. I would be delighted to help if you need any.

My nephew, who is 10, has been moulded already into a mini-Brady consumed with the fact that his mother went to Yale and he feels the need to emulate. This troubles me endlessly and I just do not see the fascination with an elite university education. You make the best of. I pride myself on being adaptable and the reason I applied to Harvard was my desire to work with Joseph Nye at HKS and not hit clubs with HBS sycophants. Professor Nye was an inspiration to me and has been fundamental to me being where I am now.

Look at my quote and be content. If you're not, get out there.

"Teachers open the door, you enter by yourself".

Dec 10, 2011

@Brady:
Thanks for the post, no way you deserved 5 monkey shits for this.

@DKS/redninja:
first of all, thank you for coming on this board and sharing your experiences at HBS. it's users like you who really make visiting this website worthwhile.

that being said, i have to admit (and i'm clearly in the minority here) that i appreciated Brady's post. his friend's experience at HBS, while different from yours, seems not too uncommon among young finance professionals attending elite schools like HBS or Wharton (i have not yet attended business school myself, but have some friends in the top 5 who tell me similar stories).

i think you may find the following quote the most offensive:

"I didn't really learn anything at HBS, aside from knowing how to hold my liquor, knowing the best hotels to stay at, and just being a douchebag in general."

while i admit that this is was very crudely worded, i think there may be a valid underlying point: for those of us with business and finance backgrounds, the classroom learning experience at HBS or any other MBA program is in itself NOT worth $200k+ in tuition and lost wages. i think this would hold especially true if your undergraduate education was already in business, in which case the value of the classroom experience (and yes, i am aware that Harvard Business teaches using the Case Method) is marginal. it's the other aspects that made his experience worth it ... meeting amazing people, having the Harvard name, and having great experiences with peers.

DKS, you mention that working with Joseph Nye at the Kennedy School was inspirational. did you have any similar inspirational classroom experiences with HBS faculty? i'm not trying to call you out, just sincerely curious to know.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

Dec 10, 2011

lol at the replies. :p

Dec 10, 2011

not sure if the guy he is quoting or brady is the bigger tool.

brady can you just please get a life or ideally a gf so u can stop getting a hard for HBS 24/7?

thx

Dec 10, 2011

@sayandarula:

thanks for the kind words. I merely posted a convo I had with a HBS alum, and WSO people get all worked up about it. Pretty amusing.

The HBS alum was actually a super cool guy. He's been drinking, so his language probably came across as a bit crass. But it seems like his main points are mostly accurate. The primary function of b-school is career advanacement, whether it is transitiong into a different field or using the degree and network to move up within your current industry. Although you certainly can learn a lot in the classroom, I have yet to meet a b-school alumni who said that academics was the most important or rewarding aspect of his experience. They all cited the people you meet, friendships you cultivate, the crazy partying and travelling, and awesome access to various companies.

I actually just talked to a first-year at Booth today. He used to be involved in the community service group that I do work for, and he dropped by to check up on us since he just finished his final exams. He echoed very similar sentiments as the HBS guy but not in that exact language of course. He said he's stunned at how cool everyone is and how much fun he's having. He already has trips planned with his classmates to go to spain, chile, carribbean, and others. The guy had a big fucking smile on his face and could not be happier. This same guy was miserable at his job last year and was bitching to me all the time about it.

Dec 10, 2011
Brady4MVP:

@sayandarula:

thanks for the kind words. I merely posted a convo I had with a HBS alum, and WSO people get all worked up about it. Pretty amusing.

The HBS alum was actually a super cool guy. He's been drinking, so his language probably came across as a bit crass. But it seems like his main points are mostly accurate. The primary function of b-school is career advanacement, whether it is transitiong into a different field or using the degree and network to move up within your current industry. Although you certainly can learn a lot in the classroom, I have yet to meet a b-school alumni who said that academics was the most important or rewarding aspect of his experience. They all cited the people you meet, friendships you cultivate, the crazy partying and travelling, and awesome access to various companies.

I actually just talked to a first-year at Booth today. He used to be involved in the community service group that I do work for, and he dropped by to check up on us since he just finished his final exams. He echoed very similar sentiments as the HBS guy but not in that exact language of course. He said he's stunned at how cool everyone is and how much fun he's having. He already has trips planned with his classmates to go to spain, chile, carribbean, and others. The guy had a big fucking smile on his face and could not be happier. This same guy was miserable at his job last year and was bitching to me all the time about it.

You miss understood all the advice you were given in this thread. Great.

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

Dec 10, 2011
blackfinancier:
Brady4MVP:

@sayandarula:

thanks for the kind words. I merely posted a convo I had with a HBS alum, and WSO people get all worked up about it. Pretty amusing.

The HBS alum was actually a super cool guy. He's been drinking, so his language probably came across as a bit crass. But it seems like his main points are mostly accurate. The primary function of b-school is career advanacement, whether it is transitiong into a different field or using the degree and network to move up within your current industry. Although you certainly can learn a lot in the classroom, I have yet to meet a b-school alumni who said that academics was the most important or rewarding aspect of his experience. They all cited the people you meet, friendships you cultivate, the crazy partying and travelling, and awesome access to various companies.

I actually just talked to a first-year at Booth today. He used to be involved in the community service group that I do work for, and he dropped by to check up on us since he just finished his final exams. He echoed very similar sentiments as the HBS guy but not in that exact language of course. He said he's stunned at how cool everyone is and how much fun he's having. He already has trips planned with his classmates to go to spain, chile, carribbean, and others. The guy had a big fucking smile on his face and could not be happier. This same guy was miserable at his job last year and was bitching to me all the time about it.

You miss understood all the advice you were given in this thread. Great.

I mean, he's come this far, why should he start now? Unintentionally trolling like it's his job.

Dec 10, 2011
Brady4MVP:

@sayandarula:

thanks for the kind words. I merely posted a convo I had with a HBS alum, and WSO people get all worked up about it. Pretty amusing.

I can assure you that that is not all you did.

Pretty amusing.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Dec 10, 2011

Brady, you must have never gotten laid in undergrad...

Dec 10, 2011

Of course not, he didn't go to Harvard.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Dec 10, 2011

SHORTmyCDO, I did fine socially in college. But I do think b-school will be a lot more fun than undergrad, given my interests and where I'm at in my life right now.

Dec 10, 2011
Brady4MVP:

SHORTmyCDO, I did fine socially in college. But I do think b-school will be a lot more fun than undergrad, given my interests and where I'm at in my life right now.

If you think business school is gonna be more fun then college, then you didnt do fine socially. I dont know what your deal is but it seems like you didnt read/take in anything DSK or redninja wrote. Jokes aside, I think you'll be seriously foolish to take on such a large commitment, just for the sake of making up for some lost time from college.

Dec 11, 2011

jesus brady stop being a loser please.

if going to the carribean with random ppl you just met is your idea of a good life then good luck to you.

you could have travelled those place in undergrad already, I did.

Dec 11, 2011
leveredarb:

jesus brady stop being a loser please.

if going to the carribean with random ppl you just met is your idea of a good life then good luck to you.

you could have travelled those place in undergrad already, I did.

lol "why don't they just ask their FATHERS for money??"

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

Dec 11, 2011
sayandarula:
leveredarb:

jesus brady stop being a loser please.

if going to the carribean with random ppl you just met is your idea of a good life then good luck to you.

you could have travelled those place in undergrad already, I did.

lol "why don't they just ask their FATHERS for money??"

I made shit tons with online poker to sponsor my excursions thx very much.

point remains, if travel is what your after why not just go with some buddies from work now that you have the resources?

Dec 11, 2011

Leveredarb: I do wish I travelled more in college, but neither I nor my parents had the money to pay for international trips. If your parents had the dough to pay for your excursions, then good for you. I now have more financial resources, so in b-school I plan on doing A LOT of travelling and have the time of my life.

Your b-school classmates whom you spend enormous amounts of time with, both in the classroom and outside of it, are not "random people." You end up meeting a lot of lifelong friends there, not too different from college in that regards.

Dec 11, 2011
Brady4MVP:

Leveredarb: I do wish I travelled more in college, but neither I nor my parents had the money to pay for international trips. If your parents had the dough to pay for your excursions, then good for you. I now have more financial resources, so in b-school I plan on doing A LOT of travelling and have the time of my life.

Your b-school classmates whom you spend enormous amounts of time with, both in the classroom and outside of it, are not "random people." You end up meeting a lot of lifelong friends there, not too different from college in that regards.

I keep taking the bait, but if you have the financial means, why cant you just travel and have the time of your life outside of b school? Like right now and hit b school when you have it out of your system.

Dec 11, 2011

FinancialNoviceII: Those are very valid points. First, I don't get a lot of vacation days from my work. Given the nature of my job, my boss expect at the bare minimum 2 people on the desk, so i have to make sure my vacation days don't conflict with other co-workers. Second, it's VERY tough to co-ordinate vacations with a group of friends when everyone is working and on a different schedule.

In contrast, b-school makes it easy because you're essentially on the same timetable with everyone else. You basically have to try really hard to not engage in international travel and other really fun events.

Dec 11, 2011

I accidentally gave a SB instead of monkey poo.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what to make of this anymore. Is Brady for real here, or is this hardcore trolling?

I think its a very parochial and shallow way of looking at the world, if true. I don't think its healthy or appropriate for any individual to define his or herself solely through the institutions with whom he or she is affiliated. It is a really warped way to view reality.

Most lifestyle entrepreneurs live the exact life you speak so highly of, without the institutional clout to get them through life. They live, work, and bang girls in different countries, travel extensively, enjoy time with family, and have built a general sense of worth through the things they DO, not the things they are attached to.

Your obsession with elite business schools reminds me of this.

http://kottke.org/10/12/hand-supermodel

Dec 11, 2011

leveredarb: everyone at my work is a lot older than me and married. I have a few good friends in the city, but as I said before, it's been very tough to co-ordinate long international trips.

The point remains that b-school is an ideal place socially due to the unique circumstances.

Dec 14, 2011
Brady4MVP:

leveredarb: everyone at my work is a lot older than me and married. I have a few good friends in the city, but as I said before, it's been very tough to co-ordinate long international trips.

The point remains that b-school is an ideal place socially due to the unique circumstances.

I'd advise you to do some travel on your own. Go somewhere you've never been. Talk to beautiful strangers. Meet people. Start with two short weekend trips. You won't regret it and you won't need to write an HBS application to enjoy it.

Dec 11, 2011

I don't care what you think or say Brady, but you must have had a fucking weak time in undergrad if you think Bschool will be better.

Dec 11, 2011

txjustin: I know a lot of people who have gone to or are currently at top b-schools. They all think b-school is more fun. Now, if you were a big-time athlete or a popular frat bro at a large state school who was banging a different hottie every night, then yeah, I could see how college would be more fun than b-school. Otherwise, I stick by my assertion.

Dec 11, 2011

Brady, I respect your opinion. To each their own. I have not attended biz school and will likely not attend. I wish you the best.

Dec 12, 2011

Brady, are you going to feel empty or like you're worth less if you never get into HBS?... your obsession seems unhealthy

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Dec 12, 2011
Brady4MVP:

"I didn't really learn anything at HBS, aside from knowing how to hold my liquor, knowing the best hotels to stay at, and just being a douchebag in general."

Without a doubt, b-school is the best 2 years of one's life.

I'm as much for going to a top b-school as the next guy, but quotes like this are very hard to take seriously. Is this leveraged sellout part 2?

Dec 12, 2011

Even though B4MVP's interest in world travel is somewhat understandable, b school travel is very touristy and nothing like off the beaten track. I visited 7 schools this year, talked with a good number of current students and alumni, and end of the day, these trips seem lame. Going to the beach in Costa Rica? What's awesome in that.

Just last Friday I was talking with some alumni who was describing how they went to Victoria Falls and saw it from helicopter. Even though it's nice, its just a 15 minute ride for like $200 or something. I had much better time taking a 2 day train through the heart of Zambia and finding my way to the Victoria Falls. Not to mention most of these trips are condensed and you barely get to see anything outside of the big hits. E.g. Vic Falls also has great rafting, bungee jumping, etc. You can head to Botswana or Namibia from there. Not to mention, most b school trips seemed pretty expensive.

Even though it's hard to find a large group of people to travel with, you don't really want that, it's annoying. Most of my travel in Asia and Africa were either with meeting up a friend in that region, or girlfriend (seems like Brady needs to find that thru b school too).

There are many good reasons for b school. Traveling to some touristy location or getting drunk are probably not one.

Dec 12, 2011

One crucial reason why people at top b-schools have more fun than they did in college.

You have to consider what types of people go to these schools. Generally, they're A-types who went to top colleges, worked hard to get strong grades, and beefed up their resumes to get top finance or consulting jobs afterwards. They then had to perform in demanding jobs with long hours. So now they're at a top b-school, where grades basically don't matter, hundreds of companies come to campus to recruit, the calendar is inundated with social events and travel excursions, and the class is filled with bright ambitious people eager to have a blast. That combination is tough to beat.

Dec 13, 2011
Brady4MVP:

You have to consider what types of people go to these schools. Generally, they're A-types who went to top colleges, worked hard to get strong grades, and beefed up their resumes to get top finance or consulting jobs afterwards. They then had to perform in demanding jobs with long hours.

I think I hinted on it over our pm, but you don't want to hang out with these people for fun. They are annoying and lame. If you are always so focused on achievement, you never learn to relax. What are you going to discuss over beer? Travels before? Doing retarded things? or Resume editing? Aspirations for future?

Dec 13, 2011
abacab:
Brady4MVP:

You have to consider what types of people go to these schools. Generally, they're A-types who went to top colleges, worked hard to get strong grades, and beefed up their resumes to get top finance or consulting jobs afterwards. They then had to perform in demanding jobs with long hours.

I think I hinted on it over our pm, but you don't want to hang out with these people for fun. They are annoying and lame. If you are always so focused on achievement, you never learn to relax. What are you going to discuss over beer? Travels before? Doing retarded things? or Resume editing? Aspirations for future?

I get the impression that you are basing this upon campus visits rather than spending extensive time with these students. My best friend is a first-year at a top 5 program, and I can assure you that this is not the case. Yes, there are douchebags, but the vast majority are just smart, accomplished, fun-loving people who want to have a blast for 2 years. I mean, it's not like these guys go out to a fucking bar and talk about the european sovereign debt crisis or which hedge funds are hiring.

Dec 12, 2011

Not to be deterred, Brady continues on his noble quest.

Dec 12, 2011

Some light reading for you Brady. <33
http://www.amazon.com/Finding-God-Harvard-Spiritua...

Dec 12, 2011

I get the allure of going to a top business school but I really don't understand why you want to go to HBS just so you can party..?

Honestly I kind feel like if I was going to choose a group of people to hang out with solely based on how much fun I would have getting drunk with I would choose a bunch of state school kids who actually know how to go hard.

Before reading this thread I had always thought brady was currently in HBS. Needless to say this is disappointing.

Dec 13, 2011
Sean518:

I get the allure of going to a top business school but I really don't understand why you want to go to HBS just so you can party..?

Honestly I kind feel like if I was going to choose a group of people to hang out with solely based on how much fun I would have getting drunk with I would choose a bunch of state school kids who actually know how to go hard.

Before reading this thread I had always thought brady was currently in HBS. Needless to say this is disappointing.

Not as disappointing as when Brady gets the rejection letter.

Dec 13, 2011

I really don't understand what the purpose of this post was. Clearly just to get attention. I'm sorry you have few friends at your firm and long for the 'good life' of BSchool but seeking attention on the internet is utterly pathetic.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Dec 13, 2011
happypantsmcgee:

I really don't understand what the purpose of this post was. Clearly just to get attention. I'm sorry you have few friends at your firm and long for the 'good life' of BSchool but seeking attention on the internet is utterly pathetic.

so are you saying me sending naked pictures of myself to girls on the internet is pathetic? :((((((((((((

Dec 13, 2011
shorttheworld:
happypantsmcgee:

I really don't understand what the purpose of this post was. Clearly just to get attention. I'm sorry you have few friends at your firm and long for the 'good life' of BSchool but seeking attention on the internet is utterly pathetic.

so are you saying me sending naked pictures of myself to girls on the internet is pathetic? :((((((((((((

Not if you continue to forward the pictures they send you in return to me.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Dec 13, 2011

I actually sat with them thru bar nights and know several who went or are going to b school personally. Nothing exceptional socially, unless you are living in a cave or something.

Dec 13, 2011

I fail to see how this post is any more lame of douchy as the million of "rank these banks" posts or "does GS drug test"?

Yes, Brady has a hard-on for HBS, but who the fuck doesn't. Going to HBS is probably the single greatest career boost a person can have.

Dec 13, 2011
ANT:

Yes, Brady has a hard-on for HBS, but who the fuck doesn't. Going to HBS is probably the single greatest career boost a person can have.

Or maybe inventing the personal computer or an operating system that is used over the whole world? HBS is a huge boost, but single greatest? Nah.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

Dec 14, 2011
ANT:

I fail to see how this post is any more lame of douchy as the million of "rank these banks" posts or "does GS drug test"?

Yes, Brady has a hard-on for HBS, but who the fuck doesn't. Going to HBS is probably the single greatest career boost a person can have.

ANT, once again you're the voice of reason on WSO.

Dec 14, 2011
ANT:

I fail to see how this post is any more lame of douchy as the million of "rank these banks" posts or "does GS drug test"?

Yes, Brady has a hard-on for HBS, but who the fuck doesn't. Going to HBS is probably the single greatest career boost a person can have.

  1. A lot of people don't have a hard on for HBS.
  2. If Brady's intention was to head to HBS for a career boost no one will would have hit out at him but he made his intention for b school clear - he wants the college experience.
Dec 13, 2011

Perhaps some of you guys are annoyed about or even bitter that Brady wants to go to a prestigious school for all the wrong reasons...

Why are you all hammering Brady here? He can go to to business school for whatever reasons he likes. You should be more concerned with the fact that Brady's view (and the common perception) on business school shows how much of a joke it is.

Dec 14, 2011
rpcas:

Perhaps some of you guys are annoyed about or even bitter that Brady wants to go to a prestigious school for all the wrong reasons...

Why are you all hammering Brady here? He can go to to business school for whatever reasons he likes. You should be more concerned with the fact that Brady's view (and the common perception) on business school shows how much of a joke it is.

Why the hell would we be bitter? My point was, its a waste of time and money to go to business school for the social experience. That's like me buying a new place to live, but only buying a place that has a tennis court. Its the icing.

Dec 13, 2011

Still unhealthy for a hard on to last this long

Dec 13, 2011

Viagra's a bitch.

Dec 13, 2011

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Dec 14, 2011

We have/had 4 top 5 MBA guys in our front office. One was a complete tool and went around his bosses back, pitched an investment to a higher up and ended up getting fired, the second one is very nervous and cannot complete any type of valuation on his own nor can he ever be place on any type of important call and works for a guy 3 years his junior. The third is a partner and the 4th went on to work for a very large PE fund and was just a baller. An MBA is just an education and I personally see it as a way to transition into a different career path.

Dec 14, 2011
HFFBALLfan123:

We have/had 4 top 5 MBA guys in our front office. One was a complete tool and went around his bosses back, pitched an investment to a higher up and ended up getting fired, the second one is very nervous and cannot complete any type of valuation on his own nor can he ever be place on any type of important call and works for a guy 3 years his junior. The third is a partner and the 4th went on to work for a very large PE fund and was just a baller. An MBA is just an education and I personally see it as a way to transition into a different career path.

I read this and my take away was 2 people who otherwise would have not been able to work in the FO did, simply because of their top MBA. Seems pretty powerful to me.

Granted, it is just a brand and education, but it still opened the door for these retards and allowed them to make decent cash for the time being. Shit, the one who got canned probably would not of been fired had he just sucked and not been a snake.

Dec 14, 2011
ANT:
HFFBALLfan123:

We have/had 4 top 5 MBA guys in our front office. One was a complete tool and went around his bosses back, pitched an investment to a higher up and ended up getting fired, the second one is very nervous and cannot complete any type of valuation on his own nor can he ever be place on any type of important call and works for a guy 3 years his junior. The third is a partner and the 4th went on to work for a very large PE fund and was just a baller. An MBA is just an education and I personally see it as a way to transition into a different career path.

I read this and my take away was 2 people who otherwise would have not been able to work in the FO did, simply because of their top MBA. Seems pretty powerful to me.

Granted, it is just a brand and education, but it still opened the door for these retards and allowed them to make decent cash for the time being. Shit, the one who got canned probably would not of been fired had he just sucked and not been a snake.

This was my take as well. An elite MBA allowed these guys to work at a great PE firm even though they didn't know what was going on and had poor business skills. One could say that is an indictment of some sort on top b-schools, but I disagree with that. Rather, it shows the power of pedigree and the type of access you get at these schools. For instance, someone with no background in investment management can go to a school like Wharton or Booth and get interviews at top IM shops like fidelity/wellington/t rowe price/state street, etc. And with sufficient hard work, they land offers as well. This is unimaginable for someone who is not at one of these schools. So I think for someone who wants to break into a field, a top MBA is easily worth the opportunity cost.

Dec 14, 2011

Hedging & Optionality:

A "top" MBA (e.g. HBS, Wharton, etc...) is useful as a hedge. It pays off throughout your career in that people give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can do the work. It also may give you more optionality in what roles you could pursue long term (related to branding and people assuming you can do the work).

Personally, I think it is much more valuable when you think of it as good risk management rather than solely as an investment (i.e. don't just DCF your earnings, think of volatility and potential years out of work/stuck doing non-meaningful work).

Fun, Travel & the meaning of life:

I haven't done my MBA yet, but will soon (I'm at a post-MBA role at the moment). I can't imagine B-school being socially more rewarding than any other break from the rat-race. Perhaps as a non-American who has worked in several countries I've had the benefit of being able to have free time and the means to enjoy it at certain points of my life. I can't imagine a couple of weeks with b-schoolers who I've just met being more enjoyable than getting away for a long-weekend with old friends / a girlfriend. If you don't have old friends or a girlfriend/boyfriend, work on that now, don't wait for B-School!

One part of B-School that I am looking forward to is being in an academic environment again and being able to discuss ideas and BS with experts in other fields (e.g. International Relations/Politics, Philosophy, whatever, etc...). I'll definitely load up on those courses outside of the business school. There are other things to read besides Porter and Fabozzi.

Dec 14, 2011

Brady4MVP, what would you do if you didn't get into HBS? I think we could start a reality show on Brady and his quest for one of the coveted spots at HBS. The twist would be that if Brady doesn't get in he will have to go to Rutgers School of Business's executive program.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

Dec 14, 2011
eokpar02:

Brady4MVP, what would you do if you didn't get into HBS? I think we could start a reality show on Brady and his quest for one of the coveted spots at HBS. The twist would be that if Brady doesn't get in he will have to go to Rutgers School of Business's executive program.

I'm watching that. He should have to go through weekly tasks too. Get rewards after each one. This show has legs.

Dec 14, 2011
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Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

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