Kind of a stupid a question but just curious. I personally do not like cheating at all... but I also want a good grade. Now with virtual classes and no proctoring of any kind, it's so easy to copy and paste a question and see what the asnwer is on quizlet. Kinda feel bad for doing it, but I also want to pass.
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Okay so somewhat of a pointless thing to say. Do you not cheat?
I have before in HS (never said I didn't) but if you're going to cheat don't act like you are superior and against it
Nice try, professor.
DAMN IT! you got me.
I have never cheated on any exam but this topic is more complicated today in the world of virtual classes. What if everyone in the class is cheating? If you do not cheat, you may be at a disadvantage. I am glad I do not have to make this decision.
Neither have I. Back when school was actually in person, I studied my ass off for exams. These days I still study, but it's hard to not cheat and get that guaranteed A. It's very easy since most of my professors use a test bank and the answers can be found on Chegg or Quizlet. I know for a fact that others are cheating, surely the lowest grade on 400 level finance course can't be a B+. No professor ever says anything, but they know... they're not stupid.
Some of these teachers are doing a good job given the circumstances while some of them are very lazy.
I studied my butt off in university to pass my exams. if they see a drastic uptick in overall grades, which they will, they should make kids re-take exams after lockdown.
How would that work though? They've made it so easy to cheat and they can't prove anything plus we have P/F options for classes which make it even easier to fluff your GPA. It's just not the most rigorious enviorment to be in, I also go to a non-target so maybe that could be it.
For instance is the average score in exams has been 65% for the past 10 years on the same curriculum, then all of a sudden it shoots up to 75% average for the class when exams were taken from home. Not sure, but I agree it's not right.
It's not possible because this phenomena isn't just going on in freshman classes. I'm in upper level courses (where some people will be graduating this semester), and averages have been blatantly higher than what is considered average for the course.
Yup same, only have two semesters left myself (not counting current) and 95% of the class does not get an A in a 400 level course so easily.
Nah online school fuckin blows for 90% of majors and everyones burnt out and doing poorly
You must be great at parties.
"I had to struggle in life so you should also struggle in life because it's not fair!"
He asked a question, I answered it ya fucking autiste. No one asks these questions at parties. Please continue spending 100 hour weeks adjusting PowerPoint slides and discussing it at parties, thnx.
cheat when it's npv positive
With virtual classes, no protctoring of any kind and questions from quizlet, it's almost always a plus to cheat lmao.
Yeah. That's the price they pay for putting all their classes online for a virus that kills .0001% of people.
EDIT: Just read the comments, why would you not cheat? This is seriously a no brainer.
Do you ever feel "bad" for doing it? Maybe I'm a punk but it doesn't feel right (it's obviously not but you get my point).
Nothing wrong at all with feeling 'bad' for cheating. In fact, that's perfectly normal.
I'm paranoid and never risked it. I always imagined getting caught and tanking my entire academic career/reputation. Yeah, it sucked when others were cheating and achieved higher grades despite studying for fractions of the time. Life is not fair though. I personally refused to risk it.
In normal times, yes, I would never have risked - honestly rather fail one exam than have to deal with getting caught. It's different now, no consequnces, just a weak, "please don't cheat guys, honesty is important." Clearly does not work.
Ah, I gotcha man. That's a much tougher choice. Back when things were in person it seemed like getting caught cheating was a recipe for expulsion or at the very least a huge ding on your academic record (that would then appear on your transcript for background checks in the future).
I won't pretend to be a super moral person, but I still wouldn't do it if I was in Zoom school right now. That's just me though.
Bunch of pussies...I cheated my ass off. Not like anything I learned in college was much useful anyways.
Finally... my type of people are arriving.
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If you're struggling to pass, study harder. Attend office hours.
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Yeah...not true. I go to a non target but it’s not some bum fuck school no ones ever heard of with no academic standards. There are professors who ensure you can’t cheat, clearly there are ways to do that even with a virtual test. I’m more so talking about the professors that make it incredibly easy to cheat because their own laziness.
My nephew went to an elite high school for science & tech. Most of these kids went on to target schools and cheating was pretty common while in HS. Cheating is not some non target thing
Bronx Science? Yeah, I have some friends that used to go there; cheating was rampant.
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Do you think the only good colleges are targets??
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I cheated on SAT lol.
Everyone in my school has been cheating with the new online formats, and most professors are aware of this and do not care. However, last semester I had a professor that did care and waiting until the final to catch everyone cheating and made our lives hell for an entire week. Eventually he turned it into a teaching lesson and didn't report anyone to standards. That week of self-reflection about the potential career/academic consequences taught me it really isn't worth risking your entire career. Just put in a few more hours of studying.
Sometimes I have had no plans on cheating then someone just texts me their answer and asks if I got the same. Hard to not be involved these days.
I totally agree with you OP. I had never cheated on anything before in my life but when school went online it just became so hard to resist when your rank in the class standing/curve is adversely impacted by the fact that it feels like everyone is doing it. I am also a TA and every time we have a quiz or test in that class I can just tell everyone is cheating based on the scores. I am less of a Chegg guy and more just having my notes out when a test is ostensibly "closed-book"...and I think I partially justify it by the fact that I'm a second semester senior taking blowoff courses for graduation requirements. Reading this thread really made me question my attitude towards cheating recently because I wouldn't have even considered it taking a test back in the pre-COVID times
At this point a few professors have either made every test open book, free to use notes and outside resources, but questions are essay format, so can’t copy paste into google. Or make us get on a Zoom meeting and have us do it that way. It’s still pretty easy to get around it though.
If you are about to graduate you literally have 0 upside from cheating.
Even when I know I dont need to cheat I cheat. What is wrong about it? Lets use Micro and macro econ as example.
Micro I did not cheat but I forgot all about the class a year later. For this example I spent 10 hours on the class each week.
Macro, I cheated every test and I forgot all about the class a year later. I spent 4 hours on the class each week.
Now do you feel bad because of your religion? Or because your professor made a test? Its not like you are doing any damage by double checking your answers. But only my opinion prob some nerds that is all against that or some guy with High moral standards idk, time is valuable for me why spend so much time learning it when I forget it anyways..
If you're forgetting basic econ concepts only a year later, perhaps you need to change how you're studying...
So you are telling me you dont forget anything you study a year later? Of course I remember basic shit but most of it is gone and I can be 100% sure it is the same for everyone as long as they don't practice it or use it.
Hm, anyone know if it's possible to get a good grade without cheating, anything else at all someone could do? Drawing a blank here.
The word is on the tip of my tongue... it’s....it’s... studying or something along those lines.
Seriosuly though, I do study and can figure out the answers but it’s a guaranteed A if I look it up online. It’s not like I’m just rolling through cheating in every class without studying.
I went to an open bar boat party in Manhattan on this big yacht (it was a St. Jude's Charity party) and this dude told me he would "lie, cheat and steal" to get into HBS. He got into HBS. I'll never forget that wasted moment on this boat.
I'll level with you. I'll do whatever I can to maximise my chances of the highest grade possible. Have I cheated before? Yes. Do I regret it? No. I know that I am more than capable of moving logos on PowerPoint and doing my tasks to high standard. I try to keep my commercial awareness high, I can work with models, and I have the ability to ask good enough questions to my superiors. If you can manage that then you are good enough for IB or whatever sector you're looking at.
I don't condone cheating obviously but I will naturally choose the path of least resistance to achieve my goals. I don't despise anyone who follows a similar path, and I respect those who choose to do things the "proper" or "right" way. I see it as unnecessary red tape personally. Just don't do anything stupid, or that harms other people.
In a dog eat dog world, you have two choices. Hunt, or be hunted.
There are serious consequences if you get caught tho. It’s not a matter of being proper or subjecting oneself high moral standards. It’s a matter of managing tail risk in your professional and academic endeavors.
Then don't get caught. It's online school if you get caught cheating you've got to be autistic.
I used to spend so long writing shit into some secret areas of my programming calculator, writing shit in tiny ink on fucking cheatcards and on my shoes and shit, I'd usually learn the shit by the time I was done. But yeah bro fuck yeah. I'll cheat on anything but my wife and a fair business deal.
yes on online tests no on in person tests
2020 May Grad. My professor hand-wrote our derivatives tests for the entire rest of the online semester like a gangster. No way to cheat if you tried. Did the same thing for the other 5 finc classes I either was enrolled in or sat in on that he taught. I wanted to actually learn the info so good to hold me accountable, but gave some of the lax kids/kids looking for an extra class PTSD lol.
Be honest, I have and sometimes still do, if I'm rushing but I also make the effort to actually learn it. You never know when you'll be called upon in the future to "show your skills" and you can't cause you didn't actually learn but cheated your way through it. I've embarrassed myself on many occasions, learned my lesson.
I never cheated in school. However I do think the virtual programs really pressure people in different ways because it opens up all of this access that you normally wouldn't have, and there is a game theoretical component to it. At my uni exams were either nothing-but-a-pencil allowed, or open book / open notes / best of luck tests. I think the second kind of test is much more appropriate for the virtual world, although harder to create in the first place perhaps.
The second kind of test also more approximates the real world challenges once you're on the job. OK, you have access to the entire internet -- the nature of the challenge and the tight timeframe you're under still make completing a task really difficult.
With virtual classes, the definition of cheating has changed. I only had the back half of my senior spring online, so my experience is limited but that’s my take. All test are now just “open book” - it’s on the professors to factor that in. Good luck not studying all semester and having enough time to look up all the answers. Looking up an answer isn’t cheating, but having a friend provide u the answers who took it earlier is.
All the frats and business orgs ‘cheated’ at my school - so I definitely wasn’t going to be the loser nerd getting left behind trying to do it the right way
Most of the asians in my classes cheated their assess off on every single exam 😂 I fucking miss uni 😪
Yes they did, and that was when it was in person, can't imagine what they're doing now lmao. I always wondered how they never got caught or how no professor ever asked how they wrote an essay in perfect english, with better grammer than native speakers, when they could barely speak the language.
That was the experience my nephew had at his science & tech high school. I had a similar experience in business school. I was the coordinator for a group project comprised of two white guys and four people whose English was pretty poor. These four people provided me with perfectly written content, which was obviously plagiarized. I had to re-write all four parts.
this enraged me so much. I know plenty of people like this. So lame.
If you find cheating on an online exam to be morally inexcusable then I highly doubt how long you will last on Wall Street.
This is what my friend said, he knows his shit but does cheat when he can to make sure he ends up with that A. Got an offer at a bank and I kinda hate him for it but don't blame him.
Ethics still matters on Wall Street, even if less than other industries.
Look at what happened to Bill Tsai. He thought he could cheat on one trade and now his entire career is gone.
Yes
Was the path of least resistance and I like to think I turned out OK. To be fair, I cheated on things that weren't relevant to my major and career path. Instead, I used the time not spent studying on making myself more competitive-- learning financial modelling, coding, communications courses, etc. on my own. I can genuinely say these things helped me land a job post-graduation. Getting an A++ in the History of Gender probably wouldn't have yielded the same result.
Half of my college courses were forced upon me (and others), as a way for the school and text book publishers to make more money. Why make us jump through so many hoops and burden young people with so much debt? I just paid off my student loans a few years ago...after nearly a decade of working in IB! Didn't have to be that way.
In my opinion, everything is a calculated risk. Risk of getting caught. Risk of feeling guilty later on. They say you only hurt yourself by cheating, so you have to weigh the pros/cons. I will say that if I paid more attention in Art and Literature classes, I would've felt a bit more well-rounded today. As you move up in IB, building rapport with potential clients requires broad knowledge. Do you know how many clients I have that are into high-end art work?
But then again, you can't know everything, and most of the time, its best to make others (especially clients) feel like they know more than you. People are egotistical after all. Thanks to platforms like Coursera and Udemy, you can learn a little bit of a lot of things conveniently and cheaply. Hell, I've probably learned more on WSO than I did spending $150,000 and two years on an MBA. To each their own though.
I agree with you. With my major classes, I actually do study the material, I will just make sure I have the right answer. Other classes like history and literature, I don’t need to cheat, they’re far too easy. I know your in IB and probably don’t have a lot of time, but you can become well versed on literature and history by reading about it, listen to audiobooks and stuff. I’ve been doing that since the pandemic and taught myself more than school has these last two semesters.
You chose to go to a school that cost that price. If you are willing to settle for a "non-target" you can go to close to free or maybe even completely free provided you have good test scores.
I agree with you on the WSO point totally. Nothing like the FIN100 prof spending 2 months on variations of TVM problems...
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