4/20/17

Obviously, during your first year of going through live interviews there are a lot of things you might overthink. One thing I personally noticed is that I felt pressured to stare my interviewer directly in the eyes the entire time and ask them more questions than I was asked. I did alright during interview season, but I'm also wondering if it is seen unfavorably to take a somewhat competitive approach to interviews. I try to be myself, which involves cutting people off during dumb questions or boring stories.

Is this considered a dickhead move or is it something interviewers respect? So I'm interested to hear what the collective genius of WSO thinks matters more in interviews - having balls and being yourself, versus being polite and attempting flattery?

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4/12/17

Yeah, brochaski, the only thing people care about is what frat you were in, K??? I don't care how long your eyes inadvertently wander towards my dick, so long as you were in a top tier frat. There is basically a quadratic function that defines the whole question and the optimal amount of time that you can stare at my dick is about 2.5 seconds if you're in a bottom tier frat, 5 seconds if you're in a middle tier frat and you're automatically hired if you're in a top tier frat. Being gay is FaF if you're top tier. Otherwise, not so much, get it???

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4/12/17

Fuck off, dude.

4/12/17

how the hell did this not get more SB @FratLord

Let me hear you say, this shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

4/20/17

Of course, trolling is a time-honored tradition here at WSO, but @FratLord 's post was far under par.

First: Although @LReed 's post was borderline autistic, he was asking for help on his social ineptitude. This barrier to good networking is an important part of this site's existence. The best troll target's have an OP displaying some sort of social ineptitude inadvertently and often with huge ego.

Fratlord punched a blind kid who was asking for help crossing the street

Second: when trolling as a frat boy one be must be very careful. On the one hand, many people in finance and on this site are in fraternities. On the other, many non-traditional and non-target students use this site who are competing and/or have lost jobs to daddy's-little-dick-sucker-frat-bro's. Of course many frat-bro's are fine people, but often one bad apple spoils the bunch. Our would-be troll managed to raise prejudices on both sides of the isle, while managing to not actually offend either side, or say anything funny.

Fratlord pulled an "Amy Schumer"

Third: as an obvious top-tier fratty, Fratlord trolled himself by implying he himself is gay.

Fratlord jumped on a shovel.

Finally: Due to the above as well as his failure to sufficiently execute on WSO's time-honored tradition, Fratlord is worthy of scorn. @Money20 threw a clean knock-out punch, which we all wanted to do.

4/12/17

Just because someone is good at their job it doesn't mean they are a good interviewer.

I'd consider it generally best practice not to "compete" with anyone you are subordinate to unless you have an especially good relationship with them first.

I had an interview with a VP in IBD who wouldn't stop talking about a tech deal they worked on and how much they knew about the engineering behind it.

I don't know why my interviewer chose to inflate and embellish their experience but it is probably a good thing I didn't get an offer because I felt really sorry for them.

I used to work at that tech firm and I don't think I would be able to take this VP seriously as an authority figure after that interview.

4/12/17

Ya, if some kid cuts me off while I'm asking a question or while I'm telling a story to answer his question, I'd end the interview right there. Especially coming out of school, your goal is to be likable and to show that you have some ability to get the job done. Acting like you are running the show is going to get you dinged and depending how big of a dick you were would probably result in me making a few calls to other guys around town.

My best interview advice would be to find any connection possible. If you can talk about any sporting league in the US plus some Euro soccer then you can likely connect with most of your interviewers.

4/12/17

^^ This.

LReed:

I try to be myself, which involves cutting people off during dumb questions or boring stories... having balls and being yourself, versus being polite and attempting flattery?

Not only would I not hire you, you seem like the kind of person I'd steer clear of on a personal level as well. It's not "attempting flattery", its called not being an asshole.

4/12/17

Dude come on, you're in real estate, you know how some of these REIT guys are. When some closeted homo with his top two buttons undone is spending half the interview "complaining" (humble bragging) about all the expenses he has at his Tribeca apartment, if you're feigning interest in that nonsense, it's flattery.

Gonna catch all types of criticism for this comment but you can't tell me you've never interviewed with someone that is just 100% insufferable.

4/18/17
Greg Marmalard:

me making a few calls to other guys around town.

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4/12/17

You cut your interviewers off while they're talking?

Bro...you're so alpha.

Jk. You're a dickhead and have no grasp on social cues.

4/12/17

Haha I'm not trying to be alpha at all. It's not that I just cut them off and say "Yeah, boring, don't care, next question please." It's more like sometimes I'll ask a simple question and the interviewer clearly feels obligated to give a long, detailed answer and I can tell that neither of us really care so I'll try to but in and steer things back in a direction that either of us care about.

There are also certain interviewers I feel really try to grill you or make you nervous during the process and when I'm getting stared down by one of those guys I feel like I'm competing with him to show that I'm not flustered. There was also the time I asked an interviewer where he attended school and his response was "Harvard, ever heard of it?" So that one went pretty downhill after that.

4/12/17

A) Learn to care about the long detailed answers. A relatively accomplished professional is giving you insight into his career, you might actually learn something from that.
B) Dude was being a douche, but he was probably surprised that you hadn't researched his background already. Anytime an interviewer acts like a dick, there's a good chance it's in response to a mistake you made.

4/12/17

Fair. I do acknowledge that as the student interviewee, everything is my fault because I can only control me. Guy was still a dick though.

4/18/17

Hahah, yeah. One group executive that interviewed with me asked me if I knew anything about financial statements, and I told him that I know the basics such as the three statements. Then he proceeded to ask me about the IFRS rules about goodwill and such, which I obviously couldn't answer. He then told me that I "asked" for it and that I led him to it(???). I still got the offer though.

4/12/17

So I sought out the collective genius of WSO, and the collective genius has diagnosed me with autism. Thank christ I'm at least good at math. I am sorry I have failed thy, fellow chimps.

4/12/17

This comment doesn't help your case.

4/12/17

Cutting off an interviewer shows that you're either not interested in what they're saying, don't have much of an attention span or don't have the maturity to wait your turn to speak. In no way does it display the intellectual curiosity, respect and professionalism they are looking for.

4/12/17

Best strategy for interviewing is being humble and answering all the questions well.

Keep in mind that you can either get the job, or compete with your interviewer, not both. I tried to think of a funny analogy to compare it to, but there is nothing funnier (or remotely related) than an inexperienced monkey shoving his ego in the face of someone 4 years his senior while competing with spoon-fed Daddy's boys from rinky-dink Ivy League schools.

Don't forget to mention that you are a transblack and that your transblack ancestors were so oppressed by white supremacy to take their own people as slaves.

This sounds like a Target School problem.

Let me hear you say, this shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

4/12/17

Dude this broad asked me if I went to a private high school one time. It's 100% a target school problem. She mentioned that she didn't get in to my alma mater and literally asked what high school I went to directly after just so she could namedrop her expensive HS. It was such a high-key aggressive move.

So what am I gonna do? Complement her, or act like I've never heard of her high school before I name drop my own top ranked high school?

4/12/17

Ha, that's a dope question. Cuz who tf wants to work with someone whose poor?

4/20/17

Bond with her over the fact that you're both poorly-adjusted, silver spoon kids.

On a serious note, that's a fucking prissy question to ask a kid, but as the interviewee, you're there to brown nose as much as possible.

4/12/17

Unless you got the job, why did you even post this?

"There is no greatness where there is not simplicity, goodness, and truth."

-- Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace

"Little monkeys turned gorrillas. Now they trapped in the station, filled up on noctaine, and now they not sane."

4/12/17

Was wondering if I'm the only person that ever felt like things sometimes get somewhat competitive between interviewer and interviewee. I can't believe this is 100% a me problem. Probably just because I interviewed with too many REITs. Never had the problem with S&T guys or quants.

4/12/17

I know WSO doesn't have the most socially competent people, but I didn't realize people ALSO lacked basic manners.

4/12/17

Dude a broad asked me if I went to a private or public high school during this interview. That is like the most overused question in the book when you want to start a pissing war. I'm not the problem, everyone else is just wild.

4/18/17
LReed:

Dude a broad asked me.....

LReed:

I'm not the problem

You're referring to the woman who interviewed you (which means she obviously has seniority over you in the industry, regardless of whether you got that actual job) as a "broad." Not sure if you're just trying to sound alpha/cool on WSO, but if that's an actual glimpse of your general approach/opinion of people (even if she didn't have seniority over you), I stand by my original comment above.

4/12/17

So I think I should explain here that a good amount (and by that I mean pretty much all) of the anecdotes I include in this topic happened at the same two companies.

So maybe I'll adjust my question a little bit - is it just me our are a lot of REIT people dicks?

4/12/17

They have to compensate for their shitty job somehow.

You're doing a good job kid, you'll be like me soon.

If you enjoyed this, try suggesting investment banking isn't the best job in the world or that ivies live an easy life.

Let me hear you say, this shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

4/18/17
xgozax:

You're doing a good job kid, you'll be like me soon.

Ya' mean without a job after graduation, and then bitching about IBD and targets/nontargets on an anonymous online forum?

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4/18/17

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