Help finding a good dress shirt

Pretty ridiculous, but I am having trouble finding the perfect dress shirt.
I want a non-iron, not overly expensive shirt (preferably no front pocket, but its not a priority)
I checked out BB but they suggested I go with custom shirts because of my build (32 waist, about 44-46 chest, 34 sleeve). I was told if I take in the sides it ruins the shirt because of the seam or non-iron, anyone have experience with this?
Any suggestions?

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Comments (46)

Apr 18, 2017

Find a MTM shop and pay around ~110 shirt.

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Apr 18, 2017

Proper cloth dot com

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Apr 19, 2017

@6221_analyst

I've tried CT (Charles Tyrwhitt), BB (Brooks Brothers), Jcrew, Bonobos, and a few other brands in the sub $150 price range.

Each brand had something I didnt like about it... and none of them seemed to fit me perfectly.

Then I tried Propercloth... this is the shirt youre looking for.
Non-iron, no front pocket, no placket (french front), and perfect fit.

Jul 3, 2018

When brands define their patterns, they go for sizing that will serve mass markets, and offer a fairly continuous distribution of neck/chest/waist ratios, that serve ~90% of the population. I've written about this at https://www.wardrobeessentialist.com/post/when-bra...
Unfortunately, there's a limit to what makes sense for mass production. Chest 44-46 with waist 32 is an elite physique that brands can't afford to mass-produce, so someone with these measurements has two options:
1) find the best-fitting option (probably Charles Tyrwhitt Super Slim or T.M. Lewin Super Fitted <$40 on sale) and spend another $20 with a local tailor.
2) go custom. Proper Cloth does a very good job with a wide range of fabrics.

Apr 18, 2017

Charles Tyrwhitt when on sale for <$35 a piece, get it tailored if possible.

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Apr 18, 2017

my experience is with off the rack and fully custom

best off the rack I've found is charles tyrwhitt. they do a sale a couple times a year where you can pay $30 per shirt. great quality for the money.

custom, you'll pay 1-200 per shirt. find a good local tailor or go to hong kong/thailand and get measured.

done the brooks brothers thing, which is priced somewhere in between. utter waste of money for a poor fit. have even had a BB shirt taken in, not worth it. buy CT or go custom

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Jul 3, 2018

Agree that Charles Tyrwhitt has great variety and value, but guys looking to solve the "baggy waist" problem should also consider T.M. Lewin, their neighbor on Jermyn Street in London. They offer a Super Fitted model with more variety than Charles Tyrwhitt's Super Slim, at comparable promotional pricing.

Apr 18, 2017

I live on the west coast, so can I only get CT by ordering online?

Apr 18, 2017

I live in the south, I've only ordered online. their sleeves run short, and their customer service is top notch. so if you buy a slim and need an extra slim, you should be able to swap.

Apr 18, 2017

My xp with CT's extra slim is that it is not nearly slim enough for the avg person

Apr 18, 2017

idk how I feel about getting slim or even extra slim given my 17'' arm circumference lol

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Apr 19, 2017

define average. I'm not built like a football player, but I find they're plenty slim. if they don't fit you though, totally fine.

@6221_analyst if you truly have 17" arms, 44-46" chest, and that slim of a waist, nothing off the rack will fit you, you'll have to go MTM, custom, or get a looser fitting shirt darted.

Apr 19, 2017

Never heard of MTM. I am aware nothing off the rack will fit me but does taking in the sides really ruin shirts?

Apr 19, 2017

MTM stands for made to measure. it's not totally custom, but it's close. I think off the rack plus tailoring wouldn't be the worst thing if the other options don't appeal. finding shirts that work for you is going to be trial and error

Apr 20, 2017

ah thanks for the clarification. It is trial and error indeed. I guess I just need to find a decent looking non-iron brand and tailor them.

Apr 24, 2017

Haha yeah I wear CT extra slim but they're still not slim enough. Regular slim fit from their brand = still fat, classic fit = morbidly obese. Those condescending Brits.... their obesity rates are almost as high as ours. A good reminder.

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Jul 3, 2018

CT recently added a Super Slim model that has the same chest measurement as Extra Slim but ~2" slimmer in the waist. If you're frustrated with baggy waist, see also T.M. Lewin Super Fitted, which has similar sizing to CT Super Slim, but is available in more colors/patterns.

If you're tired of trail & error, and would like to put machine learning to work to find your best off-the-rack option, there are 21st center alternatives https://www.wardrobeessentialist.com/post/when-bra...

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Apr 18, 2017

Absolutely love Blank Label. Little pricy, but worth it. You can always get a decent fitting shirt darted and that should get you pretty close to where you want to be.

Apr 18, 2017

I'm currently having the same issue. I used to get my shirts from BR (true story) but they changed their fits and now im lost. I get the CT recommendation often, but from my experience those shirts are a bit too baggy fitting for me. I guess its very dependent on your personal style but im not a fan of the very loose shirts. I've read some decent stuff about TM Lewin, so I plan on trying them next. They are based in London and offer free returns/exchanges so it doesnt hurt to try.

Apr 18, 2017

when you go on the size guide compare them to CT to see if they will be more slim. I found that Kamakura NY Slim fits me quite well and the Tokyo slim is a little too tight but can pass with a jacket, however they are pricey and don't really go on sale

Apr 18, 2017

Yea thats the approach I was gonna take. Also bought a tape measure to see how I fit based on their size chart, order 3-4 different shirt sizes/cuts and return what doesnt fit.

Jul 3, 2018

Guys in the analytics trade should start out well-armed with data. If you know your basic measurements, and check out the brands's sizing tables you can avoid lots of wasted time & returns. https://www.wardrobeessentialist.com/post/learning...

Apr 18, 2017

Recently got a TM Lewin shirt for 30. Slim fit fits really well (pretty tall, athletic build).

I mostly go for the Regent fit (slim) from BB and it fits well on me.

Apr 18, 2017

noteworthy points:
I wear a 34/35, 17''. chest is about 44-46, and arm circumference is 17'' so I am hesitant to buy slim anything because I end up looking like a douche in a shirt that is too small
However, h&m slim dress shirts fit almost perfectly (XL), but arms get tight whenever freshly dried

Apr 24, 2017

If you want non iron shirt then you should go for Wrinkle Resistant Shirt.

Apr 24, 2017

I got some non-iron nordstrom rack branded dress shirts and they are still wrinkly AF coming out the dryer.

Jul 3, 2018

The private label Nordstrom Men's Shop line has very competitive pricing. You can try them on at a local Nordstrom store (where the store associates actually know something about menswear), and then look for your size online at Rack, with even better value.

May 5, 2017

You can get your desired shirt from RafTshirt dot com

May 5, 2017

some (possibly clueless) friends are telling me to check out j crew, banana republic, and charles tyrwhitt? any thoughts on dress shirts from these places?

May 5, 2017

CT is solid and has a few different fits. No buttons on the gauntlets though, which is sometimes annoying.

Jul 3, 2018

The primary problem with Banana Republic, J. Crew, Uniqlo, etc is that they try to simplify the world into S/M/L sizing. If you're luck enough to be the body double of the guy they designed for, great! If you're ever going to wear a shirt with coat & tie, you want the neck to be just right (not loose & sloppy, not so tight you're choking), and the sleeves to be long enough to show a bit but not cover your hands (think Daniel Craig in Casino Royalle.) When you take off your jacket, you also want to avoid baggy fit through your chest and waist.

Chances of going 4-for-4 with S/M/L is extremely remote, so you're better off going with a brand that offers neck sizes in 1/2" increments and sleeve lengths in 1" increments.

May 5, 2017

hall and madden. you can buy solid white shirts for 67 bucks and they fit awesome. includes shipping and tax. best shirts for the price overall, but especially their whites. i have a few of them

May 5, 2017
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  2. Charles Tyrwhitt (www.ctshirts.com) is, in my opinion, hands down the best $50 shirt you can buy. They have a never-ending 4 for $200 and $50 for any additional sale and the shirts look, feel, and fit like $100 shirts.
May 5, 2017

Tight. Ima pick up some of dose jawns dis weekend. wadda steal yo.

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May 5, 2017

why is brooks too expensive? They're around 65 with the buy 4 save 30% and will go even cheaper come fathers day.

May 5, 2017

If that's the case I will check them out. When I peeked into their store looked like the cheapest shirts were going for 90. Thanks for the tip.

May 5, 2017

50-75 cheap end? what does it make $20-30 jc penny shirts?

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.

May 5, 2017

Garbage?

Jul 2, 2018

Buttoned Down from Amazon; have not steered me wrong yet!
The prices range from $39-$69.

Jul 2, 2018

I have always had a hard time finding shirts that fit well, I am tall and thin with long arms. That makes most off the rack options not fitting well. After years of searching I have found the perfect affordable shirt from Amazon. The brand is Buttoned Down.
For me the Slim Fit option is the best but they have almost every size and style.

Jul 2, 2018

Calvin Klein

Jul 2, 2018

I wear a size 46-48 blazer and 36 inch jeans, with 35 inch sleeve. I wasted a long time hunting down every brand in the world that looked good on me and that was good value, felt comfortable, etc etc.

Thing is if you have this sort of athletic, weight-lifting body like me its gonna be real hard. Your gonna feel it very tight in your chest / back when you move your arms or you'll look pregnant with how much extra fabric you got.

I would recommend buying mizzen+main shirts - link gets you $25 off. These are the same material as your lululemon/Adidas/Under Armour shirt but look just like a brooks brothers so people won't look at you funny for wearing 'athletic clothes' even though you are. Mizzen+Main, $25 off

You can treat them like gym clothes too - throw them in a pile, wash in washing machine, etc. No dry cleaning which is some savings and these can reduce amount of total clothes you own anyways. Finding what you want is gonna be really hard, so before you go down the path of having all your clothes altered/custom clothing - give this a shot. Just return if you aren't convinced.

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