I agree with @general. I thought it was alright and didn't believe some of the party scenes. It actually reminded me of Goodfellas. Definitely glamorizes the excess although if you look closely that's not the message Scorsese is sending.

The highlight of the movie.. Naomi..the Duchess of Bay Ridge..Margot Robbie. That gif is perfect. She's Australian and only 23 years old. Absolutely beautiful and actually held her own with Leo too.

 

Interesting comment. I haven't read the book but my understanding is that they tried to keep it very similar to what is said in the book. Apparently it is quite outrageous and all true. This is just what I have heard.

 
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Interesting comment. I haven't read the book but my understanding is that they tried to keep it very similar to what is said in the book. Apparently it is quite outrageous and all true. This is just what I have heard.

It's true to what is in the book. The book is satire, though. It's based in reality with large amounts of exaggeration.
 

I'm sure some of it was exaggerated a bit, Jordan loves to suck his own dick. Although all of it could have really happen, and most of it probably did. Why? Because, as the great Rick James would have said, "Cocaine is a hell of drug."

 
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I agree that it really had little substance. I was surprised at the overall "R-Rated" nature. I saw it yesterday and people were there after the Holidays with their families and grand parents and I felt sorry for them. The movie theater guy actually came in before it started and warned us of the "adult nature". Several families left during the film.

Not sure if this is a spoiler, but the film opens up with Leo doing a line out of a girls ass crack with her ass up in the air, and this theme continues throughout. There is a lot of full frontal nudity, drug tripping, cheating, more nudity, more drugs, more cheating, spousal abuse, more drugs, more sex, more orgies...for 3 hours. Not a great date-night movie unless you want your girlfriend to think you are a piece of shit or to just have an overall negative feeling in the air.

That said, even with "no substance", I sat through a 3 hour movie and never was bored and never checked my watch. But with titties every 5 minutes it is hard to be bored. It was entertaining and the acting was amazing, but more in a Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas meets Basic Instinct way.

 
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I agree that it really had little substance. I was surprised at the overall "R-Rated" nature. I saw it yesterday and people were there after the Holidays with their families and grand parents and I felt sorry for them. The movie theater guy actually came in before it started and warned us of the "adult nature". Several families left during the film.

Not sure if this is a spoiler, but the film opens up with Leo doing a line out of a girls ass crack with her ass up in the air, and this theme continues throughout. There is a lot of full frontal nudity, drug tripping, cheating, more nudity, more drugs, more cheating, spousal abuse, more drugs, more sex, more orgies...for 3 hours. Not a great date-night movie unless you want your girlfriend to think you are a piece of shit or to just have an overall negative feeling in the air.

That said, even with "no substance", I sat through a 3 hour movie and never was bored and never checked my watch. But with titties every 5 minutes it is hard to be bored. It was entertaining and the acting was amazing, but more in a Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas meets Basic Instinct way.

What he said, a couple families walked out in the showing I went to too.

It was a bit long for me too. I was checking my phone as some parts just dragged, and you could guess where the story was going. 40 minutes could definitely be shaved off this movie. almost like a lesson that over-indulgence is just bad.

 

It was entertaining: the acting was great, Margot Robbie is smoking HAWT, and there were a few scenes where I was laughing my ass off. However, the movie was certainly subpar compared to Scorsese's other works. It lacked an overarching theme, plot twists, and character development. The conflict between the FBI agent and DiCaprio was subdued and uninteresting. And towards the last 45 minutes or so, I was getting extremely tired of DiCaprio's speeches, filled with tired Wall Street clichés. In short, aside from the shock value of gratuitous T&A and a few notable scenes, the movie didn't have much going for it.

 

The movie is, by heart, a comedy film. And it accomplishes that goal of making you laugh well. Otherwise its plot was non existent; it was more just like a sequence of random events. Some of the party scenes and speeches and whatever were rather distastefully dragged out.

And the horse you rode in on
 

I honestly loved it, pretty much classic Scorsese. For everyone saying plot is non-existent or that the film has little substance, I'd beg to differ. The same criticism could be mounted toward Casino and Goodfellas, yet both are near universally regarded as great films. WOWS is Scorsese's bread and butter, humanizing and candidly depicting people considered among the dregs of society. I think most of the criticism results from the fact that Scorsese doesn't push an opinion on this narrative, the film neither glorifies nor condemns Jordan Belfort - but that's exactly what makes it so powerful.

Oh, and I can't remember the last time a film had me in tears from laughing. I genuinely feel bad for anyone who saw it with family.

 
FranciscoDAnconia:

I think most of the criticism results from the fact that Scorsese doesn't push an opinion on this narrative, the film neither glorifies nor condemns Jordan Belfort - but that's exactly what makes it so powerful.

I would disagree. Once you look past the T&A, drugs, and partying, there are several scenes where I think Scorsese is attempting to not only condemn Belfort, but WS as a whole. Think back to the early Mcconaughey scene and the one where Leo first shows his associates the script. Throughout the whole phone call, he's mocking the investor and figuratively screwing him. This is why I said the film reminds me of Goodfellas. On the surface it seems Scorsese is glorifying the mobster lifestyle (the opening scene where Henry is looking out at the cab stand, the Copacabana tracking shot scene, etc) but in the end all of them end up in jail without nothing. I guess Scorsese could have shot the two ending scenes a little different to highlight this point further.
 

Eh, for every scene that Belfort is being condemned I'd say there's an equal but opposite scene glorifying him. As for the investor pitch scene, I didn't see that as a condemnation - more a honest depiction of Belfort's view of his clients as suckers and his desire to fuck them over.

I think the ending really lends credence to the argument that the film seeks neither to glorify nor condemn Belfort/WS. He mentions something about prison being great because he's still rich and we see him land on his feet, confident as ever, in his new role as a motivational speaker. Little if any guilt/remorse there. At the same time, the FBI agent finally gets Belfort after all these years yet we get a scene of him sitting on a subway, observing all the other "unfortunate people" riding the subway home, clearly showing that Belfort's insults stuck with him.

 
FranciscoDAnconia:

I honestly loved it, pretty much classic Scorsese. For everyone saying plot is non-existent or that the film has little substance, I'd beg to differ. The same criticism could be mounted toward Casino and Goodfellas, yet both are near universally regarded as great films. WOWS is Scorsese's bread and butter, humanizing and candidly depicting people considered among the dregs of society. I think most of the criticism results from the fact that Scorsese doesn't push an opinion on this narrative, the film neither glorifies nor condemns Jordan Belfort - but that's exactly what makes it so powerful.

Oh, and I can't remember the last time a film had me in tears from laughing. I genuinely feel bad for anyone who saw it with family.

Spot on, great commentary.

 

I read the book and the movie definitely downplayed the emotional aspect of Jordan Belfort. I can't comment on exaggeration as I didn't work for Belfort. Overall, I thought the movie got its message across and that it gives the audience a glimpse into how Jordan Belfort lived his twenties and early thirties. For a 3 hour film, it did its job; nothing more, nothing less. On a personal note, I believe it actually didn't exaggerate Jordan's life, imagine what a twenty five year old from: a poor background, lack of college education, and with alot of money would do.

 

yea saw it with the gf... I would recommend a different companion to see it with

Some of the dialogue in the movie is priceless though. Curious if the segment with the yacht and the "chop" is true or not

 
TO_banker:

yea saw it with the gf... I would recommend a different companion to see it with

Some of the dialogue in the movie is priceless though. Curious if the segment with the yacht and the "chop" is true or not

that scene matched the books description of what happened. the movie changed some of the book's layout and flow but it had to. if they did every story and the same timeline, it'd be a 18 hour movie.

great movie, i highly recommend reading both books though.

a goal without a plan is a wish
 

You guys are just pissed off because the movie propagates more negative Wall Street stereotypes. I thought the movie was great and surprisingly funny. I was dying at the scene where Leo confronts Jonah about the cousin banging rumors. Jonah's response was priceless.

Competition is a sin. -John D. Rockefeller
 

She sexy fa sho, but she's today's Meghan Fox. She'll do a couple more marquee titles, then star in some shitty 'Transformers 2' type movie where her T&A will be the film's only redeeming qualities, then completely disappear off the face of the earth.

"Yes. Money has been a little bit tight lately, but at the end of my life, when I'm sitting on my yacht, am I gonna be thinking about how much money I have? No. I'm gonna be thinking about how many friends I have and my children and my comedy albums."
 

It's a hilarious movie. Plain and simple. Has enough truth about the industry to draw you in, for us insiders, for your wife or girlfriend, she's gonna zone out around hour 2. Go see it with the guys, and if your a broker you'll love the sales calls scenes. I couldn't stop laughing, Leo is a fantastic actor, and Jonah did a great job too

 

Leo killed it. I enjoyed this movie because I viewed it as entertainment and not a documentary of a dudes life on wall street. In that scope, it was very interesting.. and my ivy league girlfriend who does not work on wall street felt very uncomfortable the entire time haha... but it's okay, she thought it was awesome too... but her facial expressions at some points were priceless.

Oh and the slow motion scenes were freakin amazing!!!

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It was fun to watch but like many have said, it lacked substance. The only way it could have had any substance would be if they included all the people Belfort screwed over. Yet, Scorsese admittedly stated this would have taken away from the fun. Its very much like Gatsby and Leo is seemingly perfect for this role as well. And dear lord the Duchess...

 

I saw it with my fiance- I really liked it, him, not so much. He thought it lacked substance and depth, too, although I figured Scorcese can only go as deep as Jordan Belfort goes, which isn't very deep at all.

I would like have liked to see more focus on the people he screwed over, but Scorcese clearly had an artistic vision regarding this whole project, and that would have interfered with it, so if that's the case, I can deal with it.

And the comment about Belfort coming from a poor background- he's a Jewish kid with two accountant parents (his mother later became a lawyer), so he's about as middle class as it gets, lol. And he did get a biology degree from American University, so he was also college-educated.

 

Anyone seen American Hustle? I felt like that was closer to a Martin Scorsese film than WoW. As for this movie, it really depends on who you see it with and what your expectations are. I knew it would be outrageous but expected more plot (really doesn't go anywhere and when it does the pacing is horrible) and better characters (they are all just as outrageous without much difference between them. Look at a film like Goodfellas and while they are all mobsters they are each unique characters). Instead you get 3 hours of T&A, drugs, and some hysterical yet eventually exhausting situations.

However, in hindsight I am starting to appreciate it more for what it is instead of what I wanted it to be. Seeing it with family over Christmas made watching the movie rather uncomfortable, I was completely fine with the subject material but knew some members of my family wouldn't be. Whoever said not to see it with a date hit the nail on the head, couldn't honestly think of a worse date movie.

See it with some friends. Don't take it seriously at all. Treat it as a comedy and you will be very pleased with the movie. It touches surprisingly LITTLE on anything related to finance (there is even a scene where Belfort thinks an IPO is too complex for the audience) so don't expect nitty gritty details similar to the original Wall Street

 

I think during the book, there was a greater sense of Jordan's life being on the up and up (despite all the problems) and then corresponding downfall that was utterly missed in the movie.

There were some rock bottom moments in the film, but not nearly as bad as the shit he gets up to in Florida (anyone who has read the book knows what I'm talking about).

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
 

Definitely a bit drawn out. Three hours is not necessary to tell this story. Also, the movie was marketed in a way that caught me off-guard. I was expecting a more refined, not-so-sophomoric storyline (a la American Hustle, Catch Me If You Can, The Departed to a certain extent). Instead, you got the white-collar Project X; I can watch porn for free. The mental image of a playboy Jeff Skilling giving mark-to-market pep talks to Enron-ians popped up several times.

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Still have no idea how they thought 3 hours was necessary for this film. There is so much removable content in this movie it is ridiculous. Towards the last hour I was rolling my eyes with every Leo speech to his employees, or some other crazy scene involving drugs and naked women.

There are some classic scenes and hilarious moments for sure. But it just didn't feel like a complete movie to me

 

Still have to see it, although I haven't heard a bad thing yet.

I don't get complaints about long movies...if its good, length shouldn't matter. If it's a steaming pile of shit, then even 5 minutes is too long.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."
 

Funniest movie I've seen in ages, Jonah Hill + Wall Street = New Classic

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I thought it was pretty funny and entertaining, but a bit long? Though I feel like you never really get the sense that Jordan got a comeuppance. Like on Wall Street, Bud went to jail for what he did and you don't get a sense of it being a minimum security jail (even though in WS2 we find out he did just fine for himself afterwards). Well, reflective of what happened in real life I suppose, since we know the real Jordan ends up doing alright for himself being a speaker given his slick sales skills/charisma. I haven't read the book, but I highly doubt the real Belfort actually has any regret to what he did. If he didn't do what he did, he wouldn't be famous, have a movie based on his life, or have a book deal.

I guess the premise (not the film itself) almost reminds me of Thank You For Smoking. And Aaron Eckhart's character, being a lobbyist for big tobacco and somewhat shady, ends up doing okay for himself. Both films are black comedy. But the difference is, at least my opinion, is Eckhart's Nick Naylor is a more likable guy who's got shades of gray but is very human, and Jordan Belfort (aside from that one scene where he mentioned helping one of his female brokers) is a complete douche nozzle.

TL;DR, it was entertaining, and purely for fun. No one should go into this thing with serious thoughts like 'is there a moral to the story', cause there isn't.

 
Kanon:
But the difference is, at least my opinion, is Eckhart's Nick Naylor is a more likable guy who's got shades of gray but is very human, and Jordan Belfort (aside from that one scene where he mentioned helping one of his female brokers) is a complete douche nozzle.

In the film Belfort clearly helps out and shows loyalty towards his protege Donnie Azoff when he covertly informs him he's wearing a wire and to not incriminate himself, and this is in fact what leads Belfort to being thrown in prison. He didn't have to take that risk but he did. Not glorifying Belfort, but definitely some honor among thieves...not quite black and white.

 
<span class=keyword_link><a href=/resources/skills/finance/going-concern>Going Concern</a></span>:

In the film Belfort clearly helps out and shows loyalty towards his protege Donnie Azoff when he covertly informs him he's wearing a wire and to not incriminate himself, and this is in fact what leads Belfort to being thrown in prison. He didn't have to take that risk but he did. Not glorifying Belfort, but definitely some honor among thieves...not quite black and white.

Yeah I guess there was that, but even with that, I still felt like Belfort was a huge douche. Maybe it's cause the dickishness outweigh the occasional human acts. I think part of it is because Belfort is a real person and in reality he got a slap on the wrist and still profits from his crime, as opposed to say Douglas' Gordon Gekko who is not a real character and who although is a villain, is still somehow... well, likable isn't quite the right word... captivating? (Though I really wished they didn't do WS2, ugh).

I enjoyed watching Leo's antics, and I think he did a great job playing a pompous asshole who is having fun, but it's not a character I found likable or sympathetic towards.

I recall reading an article about the real life Donnie Azoff (real name Danny Parush) and how a lot of Belfort's book is heavily exaggerated (e.g., Parush says threesome didn't happen, and some other things didn't... maybe that no f--king zone thing). I have yet to read the book, and it's one crook's word vs. another's, but I wonder what really went down in real life (on the whole note - not incriminate thing).

 

I really loved Jonah Hill in it and I've read a few interviews with him talking about the role which impressed me and I was happy for him to have this opportunity. It was a really interesting progression from his usual typecast, and well Leo is just a golden actor.

 

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