I am so f***ing sick and tired of banks lying and playing with prospects

This forum is really all we got people. I just went through SA 2022 and the banks that would say bullshit like “we haven’t hired past associate and never do!” Or the analysts that pucker up and say their firm has a great culture on a Zoom info session with HR breathing down their necks.

I’m tired of it. No one calls a spade a spade anymore so this forum is literally the only opportunity to actually realize that GS is a fucking shitshow culture-wise with insultingly low pay. So come on people, let’s share information and put these firms in their place

 
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Facts. I hate this ghosting culture too. God damn it if I got rejected, tell me I got rejected. Instead of leaving me in the limbo forever because you think saying I'm out will hurt my feelings. We need more blunt people in this world. Fuck all the banks and this process

 

A zoom? Damn lol. I was pissed getting rejected from a super recently and the recruiter told me over phone. I prefer an email rejection, but a phone rejection is still better than a ghost for me. Maybe others disagree

 
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Ghosting is disrespectful without a doubt, but i'll shed some light

You aren't getting ghosted because they feel bad. You're getting ghosted for 2 reasons:

1. The actual interviewers are busy (interviewing is forced on most, very few volunteer for this extra work)

2. They simply don't care. It's a rude awakening but prospects are a dime a dozen. Sometimes, people r just dicks

Don't take it personally

 
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Actually not the real reason. If you want to know why banks and firms ghost, it's for one reason and one reason only:

Lawsuits

What do I mean by this? Technically, firms are not allowed to hire and reject on the basis of discrimination. Theoretically, if a firm were to call you and explain why you got rejected, they fear that you as an applicant might try to sue them and fudge a case of racial discrimination. Highly unlikely, I know, but firms are instructed to do this to avoid any possibility of lawsuits.

Hope this sheds some light.

 

I hate to say it guys, as somebody who works for GS, they TAKE THEIR TIME hiring. Period.

They know people will always be in line for the role which I don’t blame them for thinking that way. But I’ll say, you have to be smart about marketing yourself and being as marketable as possible. Happy to answer any questions, feel free to hit me up.

 

WF analyst here. Not much better off than GS. No pay bumps, no dinner allowance during WFH, no perks, shitty healthcare in comparison with other banks our size in terms of balance sheet, no exit opps, no hope, shitty M&A deal flow and bad hours for no reason.

 

so like i just had call with a WF VP and was trying to sell me on culture and banks growth opportunities. 

Just why lie man

 
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lol the sad thing is nothing will happen because 99% of analysts will enthusiastically lateral to GS/EVR/CVP regardless of the treatment of juniors. 

 

Wso gives so much shit for ft partners, and more often than not, rightly so.

But one thing I really liked when interviewing with them was that they were super open about what to expect and how it's going to be. Even during a coffee chat before the interviews, the director there told me if he was a junior he would not prefer ftp. Despite the negative points about the firm, I really liked the openness there.

However I got into a BB, where most senior analysts and associates lie about so much stuff. It irritates me to the core. Like what's the point? 🤷‍♂️

 

Even during a coffee chat before the interviews, the director there told me if he was a junior he would not prefer ftp.

FTP is terrible for juniors but pretty chill for seniors. They don't have to worry about getting deals at all. The CEO does that for them. They just execute and as long as they aren't slacking off too much, deals get done and they end up coasting. Juniors on the other hand get destroyed, especially depending on the MD.

 

It sucks that they do this but what other choice do they have? Either say nothing, which is super weird and sus, or tell the truth and drive away potential candidates. Unfortunately HR recruiting orgs within banks are judged on how much and how good the talent is for each class so they'll go to any length to make it sound like you're going to work in a paradise environment / any other falsities. So I agree that forums like this are extremely important so people can highlight what culture etc are really like as opposed to the manufactured BS banks say in order to lure in more candidates.

 

I got an email from a BGL recruiter asking for times I was available to interview, got on a zoom interview a few days later, answered everything pretty well, then got an email 2 days later saying they had just finished hiring all their Summer Analysts. I didn’t network there at all so I wasn’t surprised about mot moving on, but why the hell would they waste their bankers/my time like that?

 

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