I was fired today, don't know what to do....

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I've been working for a year at a large investment bank as an analyst in M&A. I was fired today after an argument with my associate that happened a couple of days ago. I'm still in absolute shock right now. I'm no longer interested in work in investment banking or finance after this experience. I am not sure what to do, I have no other skills than the ones I developed in investment banking, and they don't seem very applicable to any other roles besides finance. I am really in a dark place right now and don't know what my next step is. I am thinking about doing grad school in statistics or computer science or something quantitative, but I have no idea how that process works. I don't know what my next steps should be....

Are there any jobs out there that I can apply the skills I have built up in investment banking, but that isn't in the financial services industry?

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Comments (101)

Jul 26, 2018

Find a boutique on the west coast near the beach and take up surfing. Shit happens, worrying about it is a waste of time. Forget it, laugh about it, and think of it as a minor set back.

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.

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Jul 26, 2018

Investment banking isn't for me.... I really don't want to go through the same experience again.

Jul 26, 2018

You have a year of IB experience under your belt you have a lot of options. You could also go work in BusOps, CorpDev etc for a Tech firm in the Bay Area and find yourself a nice bay area beauty (joke intended). Keep your chin up man

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.

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Jul 29, 2018

"bay area beauty" that's an ironic statement if I've ever heard one.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

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Jul 29, 2018
heister:

"bay area beauty" that's an ironic statement if I've ever heard one.

I was about to say this, what is he talking about

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Jul 29, 2018

So no hotties in San fran? Where are the hotties in the US?

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Jul 29, 2018

Look East, at least don't look West (Coast)

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Jul 29, 2018

Noted. This will be an important factor if I am to work/study in the US haha

Jul 30, 2018

The West coast is littered with beautiful women. I was just saying that San Fran is not known for being a magnet for babes. LA and San Diego have a huge number of hot girls, Arizona is stacked as well.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

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Jul 30, 2018

Damn son.

Jul 30, 2018

There are beautiful girls everywhere, if you're sub-par though then it doesn't matter where you go.

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.

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Jul 30, 2018

There is a marked difference between what passes for "beautiful" in SoCal and what passes for beautiful in St. Louis. A 10 in St. Louis might be an 7 in LA.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

Aug 3, 2018

Theres a reason why its called Man Fancisco

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Aug 3, 2018

This is exactly what is wrong with the banking industry. When @DopeBoy14 asked about career help, all of you just focus on the "hotties" and "beautiful women." How demeaning. This is what contributes to the boy's club of banking.

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Aug 3, 2018

Oh fuck off, no one cares what you think.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

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Aug 4, 2018

Take your political correctness back to Mt.Doom you mutton molesting, cross-tasman turd

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Aug 14, 2018

I really hope I never end up working with you. Don't call everything PC just because you don't like it. It's called being a decent human being.

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Aug 14, 2018

Buddy, I'm clearly a generation older than you because my comment about girls was genuine, plain and simple. You're oblivious if you think girls don't talk about guys like this, because they do, and you're a fool if you think you aren't politically correct, because you are.
Oh yea and I'd hate to work with a bitch like you. You strike me as the emotional/ erratic new breed of consultants I'm seeing that need more managing and direction than when I first started, that complain excessively, and that pride themselves on working at an "inclusive", "gender neutral" firm that allows them to manage their lives better because of the firm's "flexible working arrangements" more than they pride themselves on learning and working with others/ clients.

Aug 15, 2018

Based on your language and attitude towards women, you might as well be in college or high school. Calling someone a "mutton molesting cross-Tasman turd" really brings out your great teamwork personality. I'm sure you always think everyone else is the problem.

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Aug 15, 2018

Lol. Shut up

Aug 3, 2018

Texas

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Oct 28, 2018

Wisconsin and Minnesota. These two states have an obscene amount of 9s and 10s. But you have to deal with the cold.

SoCal is a good idea too if you are into the LA lifestyle.

I have not heard anything bad about the women of Florida. (except maybe cognitive ability)

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Oct 28, 2018

hahah love it. Adding them to the list.

Aug 3, 2018

Good one bro.

Jul 26, 2018

First. What happened? Just want an idea of the severity. Plus, if you can't talk about it rationally, you're clearly still too hot about it to think on something else that will help you move on.

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Jul 26, 2018

So this firm has been going downhill for a long time now and a lot of people from my team recently left and the workload intensified to the point where I was staffed on 11 different projects at the same time. We kept on missing deadlines, and I guess my associate's boss got upset about it and took out his frustration on the associate. The associate came back after that meeting very agitated, and started to yell at me in front of everyone in the office. I was so frustrated with the situation, and I got into an argument with him, that was 2 days ago. Today I went to the office, only to find my key card disabled, HR and security guard waiting for me.

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Jul 26, 2018

Whatever dude, boo hoo. Shit happens. Millions of people get fired every year. Take a week break, try not to think about it, then start to strategize with a clear mind.

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Jul 27, 2018

Must be Deutsche

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Oct 28, 2018

Star-Telegram is a like a tabloid though

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We are excited to formally extend to you an offer to join Bank of Ameria

Oct 28, 2018

I saw this one myself, and it reminded me of a PM I received about a week and a half ago from another WSO user.

He asked me if companies generally read all the crap that goes back and forth on the inter-office IM system. Specifically, he was wondering if it was kosher to occasionally make a snide remark about the boss on the IM system, and he was wondering if it was monitored by IT.

My answer was no, they don't read your IMs until you give them a reason to read your IMs. These guys that got fired for fantasy football on the company's time didn't get fired for fantasy football on the company's time. Hell, one of them had only received 2 IMs from a buddy, and never even responded. They got fired because they pissed someone off in management. The fantasy football nonsense was just the reason the company used to make it legit.

To make a long story short, kids, I'll give you the same advice I gave to the guy who asked me. Use your noggin. Don't put anything in an email or an IM that you wouldn't want everyone else in the company to read. If you ever piss someone important off, this will be their first line of attack against you. They'll have IT run all your shit and toss your ass if anything is even remotely questionable. It really is the easiest way to get rid of someone these days.

Oct 28, 2018

Although implied, no one actually mentioned that these guys were playing fantasy football and had some money in the pot. They officially got fired for gambling.

...and yes, it is a true story, but I agree with Edmundo on this one, since one of the guys never wrote any messages about playing, but did receive a few.

Oct 28, 2018

You guys are right. It seems Fidelity was looking for a reason to get rid of these guys and found gambling to be a convenient excuse for the firings. It would be interesting to learn what they did to piss off management.

My sense is that this happens all the time...companies use infrequently-cited codes or rules as grounds for dismissal, even though they are often a stretch from what actually happened or not really related at all.

I think I still get points for my fire crotch joke though, no?

Oct 28, 2018

Seriously, assume it's all being watched. even if you are not in the office.

Oct 28, 2018

I'm with Edmundo on this one. Companies are looking to trim the fat. You can't goof off occasionaly and be complacent. You have to chose one nowdays

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Jul 26, 2018

Keep your chin up man. If the workload was like that, you will most likely upgrade. Agree with the advice to take a week (or two) to relax, and then go out hot recruiting

Oct 28, 2018

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Fingers crossed that one of those helps you.

Oct 28, 2018

I would just find another job in my field. It's beru popular now with high demand. So I'd probably just change my status on LinkedIn and work my network. And most of all I would maintain a positive attitude - people can smell desperation.

Oct 28, 2018

Happened to me during my first job outta college. I walked to the church and prayed to God for a resolution. It was a really tough couple of months. I wasn't working in investments at the time it was some stupid market research type role. I just hammered my network + job applications and had nearly zero success. Eventually took another shitty job at a firm similar to the one that let me go. After a year of that I broke in and got my resolution... next I will have my revenge.

Oct 28, 2018

Same field. People are fired left and right in my field so if it doesn't work at one firm, try your luck at a firm one tier down.

Oct 28, 2018

I would take a 5-6 week vacation to travel overseas again before jumping into the grind to find my next job.. that kind of opportunity becomes less and less viable further into your corporate career. There's plenty of time to earn more money, but, to me, experiences like that are priceless

Jul 26, 2018

You've got this. Give yourself time to mentally reset and then hit the ground running. The important thing is that you have options. Plenty of them.

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Jul 26, 2018

Agree, literally one of the most marketable out there.

Oct 28, 2018

so soft

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Oct 28, 2018

It's true :(

I was being legitimately serious in my post though lol I have no idea what is considered professional etiquette when someone gets fired.

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Oct 28, 2018

you need to do some squats

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Oct 28, 2018

I got fired once by a douche of a manager (literally the only manager I have ever had an issue with) at an internship. I said thanks for your time and left the office, got another (better) job within two weeks. If you deserved to be fired then you should look inwards in order for it to never happen again, if it was just a douche move like the manager I alluded to then say fuck em' and move on.

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Oct 28, 2018

You take a deep breath, thank them for the opportunity and respectfully exit. This is the only way.

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Oct 28, 2018

sent you a PM bro

Oct 28, 2018

Why would they recommend you when you couldn't even survive training? If you didn't make it far don't even mention the experience at all to your next potential employer.

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Oct 28, 2018

So maybe you're not good at waiting tables... which I wouldn't feel that bad about unless that was your lifetime career goal.

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Oct 28, 2018

How did you get fired as a waiter in training?

Oct 28, 2018

I would be concerned and do some serious inner searching for why you couldn't handle such a simple job. You need to fix whatever your flaws are quick before you get in the real world. You could be perfect and lose your job for reasons out of your control out here. So just think about what your odds are if you're truly a poor performer.

Not good.

Oct 28, 2018

Yeah tbh this is basically why I felt really shitty lol. I know.

Turns out I got fired cause I wasn't moving fast enough. I was more worried that it was a personality problem or something.

Oct 28, 2018

Well. In the grand scheme of things that was just a shitty job you won't remember. What you don't want to do though is continue to settle for poor performance. Don't get in the habit of it. Win at what you do and leave on your own terms.

No one has ever hurt their chances in life by working hard. The same can't be said for the opposite.

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Oct 28, 2018

that is a personality problem. u too soft son

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

Oct 28, 2018

you're a DUMBWAITER

Oct 28, 2018

The best approach to being fired is to not get fired...am I missing something?

Oct 28, 2018

Very deep.

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Jul 27, 2018

It sucks, getting fired, no matter how you slice it.

But it seems like you were collateral damage, wrong place at the wrong time, if you and your associate hadn't snapped yesterday, I'd wager this was a powder keg that had a short fuse and was going to happen sooner or later.

Think and answer this honestly: if you hadn't gotten into the argument, how long do you think you could have managed in a place where there was a continual exit of people, the place "going downhill for a long time" along you and your associate spread so thin and blowing past deadlines?

Try to cut yourself a bit of slack and learn from this. Keep your temper and if you must snap, do it one-on-one, in an office with the door closed and no witnesses.

Then remind yourself of all those people that got into car accidents shortly after first learning to drive, or who have god-awful stories about losing their virginity.

Few people stop driving after accidents. Few people stop having sex after a lame experience.

And few people completely switch careers after getting fired, especially so early on in their careers.

Once you've gotten past the shock and awe of getting fired, you will likely see this situation has a silver lining. Go find other work in investment banking... don't let one bad experience taint all your work and effort.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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Jul 27, 2018

It was two years ago when I was fired from my first job out of college. It wound up being a blessing in disguise. It sure didn't feel like it when I was I was escorted out and walked to the church and sat there praying/crying. And then it didn't feel like it either when I was spending my days in the public library applying for jobs or sitting in the woods behind the cemetery to avoid having my parents/friends/girlfriend find out. But it worked out beautifully in the end.

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Jul 27, 2018

Story time, give details...

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Jul 29, 2018

Walked into work one day, HR came and grabbed me and the group head laid me off. I had been interviewing for an IB role in a diff city so I was staying at my parents and hadn't moved into my new apt. So I would get up in the morning and avoid my parents... I would go walk around town or sit in the library; or, I would go into the city and lie on the floor of my unfurnished bedroom. Once I got officially dinged from that IB job the wheels really came off lol. I continued the charade for two weeks but eventually my mom and girlfriend found out.

To back up for a second, the job that I was just fired from paid $50k, was absolutely menial and I was embarrassed by it. While working there I was thoroughly obsessed with breaking into wall street and being able to tie my self-worth to a career I was proud of. I absolutely clawed my way into that IB interview and getting dinged from that was crushing in and of itself, but to then get dinged from the actual job I did have.. well, it was quite difficult. The reason I hid my being laid off from my family/gf was that they were already concerned with how bad I felt about myself as a result of being in a line of work that didn't give me satisfaction.

I wound up going to a competitor of the firm I was laid off from. During the first couple of months there I gained my sanity and the 30lbs that I had lost in the preceding months. I got back on the grind and harassed my way into an interview process which I capitalized on, served well by the experiences of the past year which converted me from a mere man into a beast.

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Aug 2, 2018

Wait.. you gained back 30 pounds?
So you lost 30 pounds from losing your job?
Wow I need to get fired somehow...

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Jul 29, 2018

One analyst at my firm went through the same situation as yours. He argued with an associate, things escalated, the argument kinda turned into a quarrel. He later was scolded brutally by an MD and then fired.

However, the analyst found a new job at a wealth management firm (He leveraged his industry network). Two weeks after being fired by my boutique, he ended up working at a new place.

Being fired not the end of the world. Eventually, you're gonna find a new job whether it's finance-related or not. Actually this could be a good turn for your career since you said you're not fit in IB.

Jul 29, 2018

If you want to go into tech, a good option would be to do one of those coding / data science boot camps. Startups are always looking for smart people who have good experience. Best of luck man

Jul 29, 2018

My friend is a recruiter for tech companies. He said to avoid the boot-camps. All they generally do is take your money.

No pain no game.

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Jul 29, 2018

is it really Deutsche? just read an article they are ramping up their analyst hiring more than ever in efforts to replace senior guys and cut costs. maybe its worse than I thought after all....

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Jul 30, 2018

IT is an active job market and you have a year of IB experience which is great for any entry role in AM/PE/FP&A/Valuations/Corp. Don't underestimate the skills you developed in that year. You are qualified for a lot of roles other than IB.

Jul 30, 2018

Take a nice long break. Do some traveling.

Jul 31, 2018

If you're into tech, do flatiron bootcamp or app academy. My friend went through the same thing, did flatiron bootcamp and now he's a VP at a unicorn making twice what he take home as an analyst. And this is definitely Deutsche LOL

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Jul 31, 2018

definitely trolling. c'mon guys lol.

Anyone reading this in the same position, getting fired is a blessing in disguise, 99.99% of people find a better role (youre never paid what youre actually worth, when you get fired youre forced to find something new and obviously then you can leverage your experience)

then you look back and laugh 5 years down the line

Aug 2, 2018

In my career so far, things have somehow worked for the better whenever it seemed like I had made the wrong decision / something hasn't worked out. It feels like crap at the moment but as you get older, wiser, and more financially secure, you become more comfortable with uncertainty and start to view each mistake as a learning experience rather than a catastrophic failure that will doom the rest of your life.

If the IB culture isn't for you (don't blame you) then it's better you learn this now when you're young and moldable rather than when you're older.

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Aug 2, 2018

Head up dude. Consider the buy side.

Aug 2, 2018
iquitbanking:

Head up dude. Consider the buy side.

Name -> storytime?

Aug 3, 2018

When one door closes another opens.
Take a trip to India.
Take some LSD.
Find meaning in your life.
Start a trillion dollar company like Steve.
Easy!

Aug 3, 2018

Keep your chin up and don't panic! Being fired always always sucks but it can always be a blessing. If you say you are not interesting in working in finance anymore now you can take your time to find out what field you really want to work in and take action! Maybe you can see this as a chance!

science is organized knowledge - wisdom is organized life. Kant

Aug 3, 2018

A lot of startups looks for people with 1+ year IB/ consulting experience . You should be able to look into corporate strategy or operations careers. There are a lot of great opportunities for people who've been in IB. Be positive and leverage your experience.

Aug 3, 2018

Getting fired blows...initially. I was fired from my first job at a small boutique in January 2009 on the same day that 90,000 other terminations were announced in total by all the big banks. So I wasn't alone.

There were no jobs then and I had no idea what I wanted to do so I took my time and figured out my next steps. I read a ton, worked out and played b-ball daily and just started networking.

Email blasting every contact I could find and kept a clean spreadsheet of all correspondence so I could follow up and track all convos. Eventually landed in M&A at a bulge which launched my career in a whole new direction. Today I'm in Corp dev and loving it.

If you don't know what you want to do that's fine, just focus on how you can improve yourself and take advantage of the time you have to speak with people in various career positions. I believe most people like to help those in need and eventually you'll come across someone who connects with your situation. I did, that's why I wrote this post. Good luck.

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Aug 3, 2018

I'm glad you mention you are thinking about going to grad school in stats/cs because I used to work in banking and am now doing that. I interned in a top group at GS/MS and didn't get the return offer because I lost interest in finance and wanted to work in tech. That experience was a turning point for me, and I decided to turn down an interview at McKinsey to go to grad school in CS. Fast forward two years and I am doing cutting-edge machine learning research in a PhD program. My time is mine, I can surf whenever I want, and most importantly, what I am working on is what I think is the most interesting thing I can be working on. Now I am glad I didn't get a return offer because I might have actually taken it and would have been miserable. So I would encourage you to take this opportunity to work on what is most interesting to you and apply to grad school. Work on something you think is important and interesting. Everything else will work itself out.

PS: getting into grad school is all about research experience. If you didn't do research in undergrad, try to do some research in your next job. There's plenty of advice online on how to get into grad school.

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Aug 4, 2018

but are there CS programs that will take you without an undergrad?

Aug 4, 2018
  1. Don't sweat it. Jobs suck, and never pay you enough for your time. Now you get your time back, albeit without the money. Money will came later. For that reason never, ever spend more than you make. Keep expenses as low as possible, especially early in your career. You want to keep your options open, and just a little money in the bank can help immensely with that.
  2. Use this as an opportunity to get some of the personal life stuff back on track. That may be to get back in shape, take out that girl, travel. You won't get this chance again.
  3. Limit any job searching to X hours per day. Otherwise it gets all consuming.
  4. Figure out what you really want to do. It's no point running a million miles in a direction you don't care about. Talk to friends, family, and especially yourself. Shadow some professionals, apprentice, and see what it's like. Follow a lawyer around, and see what that job sucks. Follow a doctor around, talk to your military recruiter. Expand your horizons.
  5. Consider tech, a coding bootcamp, or starting your own business. Get yourself a side-hustle.
  6. Consider teaching English abroad. I think you can make decent money in China and Japan, while learning a new language. I did that in China and it changed my life.
  7. Recognize you have too much of your ego wrapped up in the job. It's just a job, jobs suck, this one is no different. I've been fired many times, and it's rare I've ever looked in rear view mirror and regretted it. F- those guys. I hate working, and was generally glad to be rid of the job.
  8. A better job IS around the corner. One of my buddies, ex-McKinsey, got laid off with me from a tech company. Someone asked him what he'd like to do with his time, if he had infinite money. He said he'd like to teach high school, and write and illustrate books? Nuts right? Yeah, well now he teaches high school and is a best selling children's book author and writer, and a minor celebrity in the space. Another dude who got laid off same time said he wanted to go to med school. He's an anesthesiologist now. Do what YOU want. Not what someone else wants for you.
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Aug 7, 2018

Damn, really sucks. Guess it doesn't matter at this point, but anymore color on what transpired with your associate? It takes a lot of paperwork and sign-off's from higher ups to get fired as a 1st year....did you try to appeal to a staffer or VP that you had a good relationship to try to resolve the conflict? Anyway, what's done is done so probably isn't productive to rehash what ifs and different outcomes. I would, at least, try to reflect on what lead to your termination and what you could've done differently in retrospect. Regardless of what career path you choose next, you should try to use this as a learning opportunity and improve or correct bad behavior / habits.

Going forward, you're not e'fed for life by a long shot. You're very young still and definitely not pigeonholed to do finance work forever. As you stated, you're in a state of shock and disbelief currently; going from having your waking life dominated by your M&A group to sitting at home and doing nothing / having no income is jarring. Try to take some time away from your apartment and go on a trip or visit your folks / friends out of town for a few days. Try to relax and keep busy during this down time meeting with people and have some fun. This will help you clear your head and will bring things into perspective.

Will say, if you want to totally exit finance / getting another IB job, be really sure this is what you want to do and not just reacting to a bad experience. Getting back into another analyst program will only get tougher the longer you're away from the industry, and given you've only got 1 year of experience, could put you in a tough spot later on if you change your mind. If you do ultimately decide to try to go to another bank, start hustling your tail off to get interviews lined up after your short break. There'll definitely be some banks that wont want to take you based on what happened, but plenty of others that wont care as much as long as you spin your story right and demonstrate you can step in off the street and start helping out a deal team. This sell isn't as hard as you'd think, as you've already been trained, taken your series tests, and have a year of full time experience under your belt. Would be a logical fit for a group that's understaffed and needing warm bodies; again, assuming you craft your story right and have a person on the hiring team vouch for you. Good luck to you.

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Aug 8, 2018

Want to append to my comment and just make a general observation for other readers, apropo of nothing i'll preface.

Think it's fair to say that most people on this website are ambitious people with dreams of being valued and respected by your peers by pursuing these lofty finance positions. This is a fine and noble pursuit but it has it's side effects as well. We look at some of these guys and gals bios on MF websites with spotless track records and pedigree and to us that's not something to achieve and work for but viewed as the norm.

It's not. Everyone has a different path in life, makes mistakes, fall short, and come from different backgrounds. Chasing a ghost that's not meant to be will drive you mad, you've got to do what's best by yourself and pursue opportunities that'll get you where you want to be. Getting fired sucks, but it happens all the time, even to these rockstars on Warburg Pincus team page. Who fucking cares. We're not starving, we have every advantage in the world and it's not worth getting twisted into a knot over. This isn't life or death consequences, if one door closes there's another one out there to try to open. Not all is lost, just keep hammering, do what you need to do and not try to take all this too seriously.

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Aug 8, 2018
Stringer Bell:

Want to append to my comment and just make a general observation for other readers, apropo of nothing i'll preface.

Think it's fair to say that most people on this website are ambitious people with dreams of being valued and respected by your peers by pursuing these lofty finance positions. This is a fine and noble pursuit but it has it's side effects as well. We look at some of these guys and gals bios on MF websites with spotless track records and pedigree and to us that's not something to achieve and work for but viewed as the norm.

It's not. Everyone has a different path in life, makes mistakes, fall short, and come from different backgrounds. Chasing a ghost that's not meant to be will drive you mad, you've got to do what's best by yourself and pursue opportunities that'll get you where you want to be. Getting fired sucks, but it happens all the time, even to these rockstars on Warburg Pincus team page. Who fucking cares. We're not starving, we have every advantage in the world and it's not worth getting twisted into a knot over. This isn't life or death consequences, if one door closes there's another one out there to try to open. Not all is lost, just keep hammering, do what you need to do and not try to take all this too seriously.

This is great advice, thank you. I'm not 100% sure I believe that the rockstars at MFs have ever gotten fired (it would be hard, though not impossible IMO, to rebound back to that level) -- but overall, I really agree with the message. Do you have any personal anecdotes to share here?

Aug 8, 2018

Trust me, it happens. The higher you go the tighter the squeeze. I know of a guy that made it up to Principal at tier I fund, spotless track record and ego to boot. His first big investment he took full ownership of destroyed $1bn+ of equity and almost destroyed their 15 yr fund. He and everyone on the deal team was taken out back put down. Not a common event but it happens, like I said.

Aug 15, 2018

ok I gotta ask... how did he destroy $1bn in equity value? Invested in a problematic public company and it just kept falling?

Aug 9, 2018

Hey man,
I haven't read all the comments here but I can guarantee you that sometimes being fired is actually a good thing; it allows you to move on and turn page to the next chapter of your life.
Your approach must be positive though!!!
If shit happened, it happened for a reason, it wasn't the right place, it wasn't the right people.
Now just stop one second, think about what you like, what you would like to do, and do your hard work in terms of CV update, applications, reach out to people, etc etc etc.
If you work hard, the results will come, and quickly. You need to believe it!!!

If you need further advice feel free to PM me, and good luck

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Aug 11, 2018

Sorry to hear about your termination. It happens to all of us, and we all have to figure out the next steps. LOL that Ibanking offers no transferrable skills. It could be you didn't have the skills to be successful in the first place (soft skills, negotiation skills, collaboration skills, stuff they teach management consultants about how to get buy-in and generally manage friction within teams). I suggest going back to school for an MBA from a top tier program, or getting a degree in CS as the way to go. Can't go wrong with those 2 choices. I would say, I would imagine you learned people skills, sales skills and thick skin, and presentation skills from Ibanking, so it wasn't wasted. As a transition, I would think you could go into an advisory role at Big 4, and might as well try for management consulting too, McKinsey, BCG, etc. See what you can get. There are a myriad of smaller PE and investment advisory shops where you can do valuations, transactions, middle markets banking on debt or equity sides, so not all is lost. If you wanna go quantitative route, the only jobs I've seen given are to U of Chicago and IIT grads in their financial mathematics or engineering programs. They can usually get those quantitative analyst or financial risk manager jobs, and it involves some amount of programming. Good luck, you still have a lot of outs since you're young.

Aug 12, 2018

I've gotten fired 6 times in 10 years. After a while, you kind of get used to it. Plus I'm a sh*tty employee. So, there's that too.
Anyway, you do get used to it. It builds character and you get to grow a thick skin.

Aug 14, 2018

That is truly a ton of times to get fired. Any good stories to share?

Aug 15, 2018

Good stories? Not really. Sorry. I just don't have a high attention span, so it's hard for me to get work done. Also, I get tasked to do big vague business development things, and it's not always so feasible to see how to get those done. Really not sure... Part of the problem is I'm a foreigner in China. I get used a lot. So that is, three of those firings / lay-offs/separations were when I went to PE funds because they just needed me for fundraising. They promised me I'd get to do deals, but that didn't often materialize. They might have thrown me a deal or two to keep me satisfied, then have me crank the organ and dance for quarters. ooop ooop. Then if I was successful, I'd outlive my utility, and if unsuccessful, also fired. Out, either way.

Aug 14, 2018
earthwalker7:

I've gotten fired 6 times in 10 years. After a while, you kind of get used to it. Plus I'm a sh*tty employee. So, there's that too.
Anyway, you do get used to it. It builds character and you get to grow a thick skin.

How THE FUCK do you ever get hired again? Serious question.....I'm dying to know how you pull that off. Have you ever thought of going into sales?

Aug 15, 2018
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Feb 10, 2019

You're walking around blind without a cane, pal. A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place.

Gordon Gekko

Feb 10, 2019

just google it...you're welcome