IU Kelley vs. Fordham
My son wants to go into IB and has been accepted at both Undergraduate colleges (including honors at Kelley). Not considering other factors, which one is better for him?
My son wants to go into IB and has been accepted at both Undergraduate colleges (including honors at Kelley). Not considering other factors, which one is better for him?
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Was he admitted into Fordham (Rose Hill) or Fordham Gabelli (the business program)?
He was admitted into the Gabelli Business Program at the Rose Hill campus (in the Bronx)
That's good, transferring from Rose Hill (non-Gabelli) into Gabelli is a near nightmare. I'm a graduate of the Gabelli program so if you have any specific questions or just want me to give my thoughts about the program feel free to let me know.
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Feel free to PM me questions regarding fordham as well. I am an incoming 1st yr IB analyst at a MM.
How is OCR at Fordham? What is the alumni network like? Just curious.
OCR is good, not amazing to the extent that everyone has an offer by graduation (I'd say ~40%), but good. A good amount of banks will come on campus including some big name AM's and a one or two large and well-known multi-strat HF's, but the vast majority the opportunities via OCR are for back office positions. This is where the trick is - at FU you need (read: strongly suggest) to join the Finance-related clubs (there's a few of them but some are better run than others) which will send out (during the height of recruiting season) almost weekly internship or job opportunities that are 99% of the time not on the FU job postings site & 99% of the time better than what's usually on the job-postings site- so you have to join the club email lists and keep an eye on your inbox. The alumni network, as I've found it personally, is great- lots of the FU grads stay in the NYC area and the professors are good at re-inviting the recent alum back on campus to give talks / advice / networking opportunities. When I joined FU the business school was ranked around 70, now it's at 27 and this recent year there's a lot of FO offers in IB, CB, PWM, AM, HF, PE - I heard its one of the best outcome years the school has had. I wouldn't be surprised to see this year or next year's ranking have the business program top 20 or top 15.
any tips on getting more financial aid at Fordham? I was admitted to Gabelli but I only got a $10,900 grant and my parents will have to pay for two other kids in college next year. If I could bring the price to between $30-35k I would go.
Not really, I was lucky to get a few scholarships. Dorming off campus may decrease overall annual rent around $5k (per a study Fordham did - it's on their fordham.edu website somewhere). And honestly, I would call the financial aid office and appeal - tell them exactly what you said - that you would go if you could lower the price a bit more. There is also a work-study option where you would take a job on campus (driving the ram van, doing office administration for one of the departments, etc) but I've heard from people that did it that their work-life balance went in the shitter and their grades dropped since they had to constantly work during the school week (and its not like its an internship which you can put on your resume). Hopefully another Fordham person has a better answer.
Yeah I generally agree metronorthdude - Gabelli is getting better and better every year that's for sure.
But I will add one more thing:
Always rely on yourself more especially at fordham, if you join all those clubs but don't do anything by yourself (NETWORKING), then good luck.
If you could go to other schools like NYU or Columbia in the city obviously, then go to those schools, but if it's just Kelly vs Fordham and you want to end up in IB in nyc - then go to Fordham.
Totally agree (though I'm not familiar with IU Kelly at all), regarding Fordham though: there's the kids who coasted through the business program sticking with the core Finance major (ie: doing the bare minimum to get the degree) who never got involved in any Finance clubs nor utilized the career fairs/OCR/networking events and then there's the kids who are majoring in Finance with a concentration and / or minor + are heavily involved in the finance clubs + utilized all of the resources for finding internships early (summer after Freshman year early) and often (every summer + maybe a semester during the fall and / or spring).
The difference b/w the two groups is obvious leading up to graduation when the earlier group is still having a tough time finding a job whereas the later group has been set since the beginning of senior year. If you go to Fordham and want to succeed it won't be given to you passively, you really do have to get involved (and I'm not just saying that as a cliche, its true) and you have to differentiate yourself with a minor or a concentration within Finance (alts or value, for example).
Yeah - get involved but don't just depend on club/school resources. Do TON of networking outside of school too and it will pay off.
Good to know and I appreciate it metronorthdude.
Thank you vikkk
I think if you can get into the IB workshop, then that might be the move. Placement there is really solid per their website.
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