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Mar 9, 2016

Are they firing across all levels, or just more senior level?

Mar 9, 2016

I have a bunch of friends in the Chicago office, just reached out to them. No lay-offs. Think this is a troll. There quarterly report also showed double digit growth a few weeks ago, so don't know how it wouldn't be doing well...

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Mar 9, 2016

Not a troll, the market is soft and I've heard this from a friend who was affected (from one of the offices already named). Does anyone know more?

I've heard of multiple levels. One in the BA/C range and one in the M/SM range.

Mar 10, 2016
opsdude1:

I have a bunch of friends in the Chicago office, just reached out to them. No lay-offs. Think this is a troll. There quarterly report also showed double digit growth a few weeks ago, so don't know how it wouldn't be doing well...

People in your class (new joiners) shouldn't be getting laid off. It's the class before who have been there for 1.5 years and quality has been exposed.

Mar 9, 2016

small amount of layoffs around this time of the year may be normal as part of HR trimming strategies. Is there an actual layoff wave with entire teams getting cut, or significant population in an office or area being depleted?

Mar 9, 2016
JimmyChowDawg:

small amount of layoffs around this time of the year may be normal as part of HR trimming strategies. Is there an actual layoff wave with entire teams getting cut, or significant population in an office or area being depleted?

It seems unlikely...all my first year senior consultant friends are currently staffed. You'd expect to see a large bench preceding layoffs (e.g. Accenture).

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Mar 9, 2016

If it was typical annual layoffs, they would be after year end performance reviews, not randomly and all on the same day. My guess is that they'll continue to lay people off in waves as they hit the beach.

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  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  Jul 8, 2016

Yes. I heard nearly 300 SAP consultants were laid off so far this year. The company is not doing well.

Mar 10, 2016

There have been some people affected but it seems like it is more poor performance combined with "soft performance". What I mean by that is that Deloitte seems to not be hitting plan but is still growing rapidly. The problem is that they have a bench / staffing pool that was built to handle the growth at plan.

Mar 10, 2016

Thanks for the monkey shit guys...can't say it was deserved. -_-

The individuals in question are all post-MBA, second-year SC's. Timing seems strange as they would be due for a tuition reimbursement, etc. upon promotion months from now. My contact was staffed on a project and his current team/other senior managers/other partners were unaware.

Agree with Bluevball8 that it is likely "soft performance." My wording of the firm "not doing well" might have been a little strong. Just reporting what I am seeing.

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Mar 10, 2016

Were they on PIPs?

Mar 10, 2016

Don't know.

Mar 10, 2016

Just want to add a little more color to the discussion - I interviewed with S&O late last year (as a lateral candidate) and got a verbal offer in Novermber. However since then the HR has informed me that complete S&O hiring at has been put on freeze till atleast June of this year. I tried reaching out to a Senior Partner and he re-affirmed that there they will not be giving out any offers until summer.

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Mar 13, 2016

I experienced almost exactly the same situation, just that it's for BA hiring in Asia Pacific. Verbal in November, hiring freeze until new financial year starts in June.

Mar 10, 2016

@opsdude1" Have you started at Deloitte S&O or are you joining them this summer/fall when you graduate from business school?

Mar 10, 2016

Not a troll. There are layoffs but the more I hear the more it seems exactly what I said:

Soft performance of the firm, people identified as not doing great, early "force outs". It's probably to dress the numbers a bit.

Mar 10, 2016
Bluevball8:

Not a troll. There are layoffs but the more I hear the more it seems exactly what I said:

Soft performance of the firm, people identified as not doing great, early "force outs". It's probably to dress the numbers a bit.

Can confirm. Deloitte is still above plan for the year, but the market is very soft.

Mar 10, 2016

several strategy consulting analysts in the NYC office have been let go over the past 3 days

Mar 11, 2016

Is there a difference between "soft performance" layoffs and up-or-out culture?

Mar 11, 2016
Irrelephant:

Is there a difference between "soft performance" layoffs and up-or-out culture?

Yes. People laid off due to "soft performance" aren't necessarily people they were looking to get rid of but will include some random heads they must cut for some reason or another. Usually the first on the "lay-off" list are the people actively being coached out, but if they need to cut more heads they aren't going to lay off the people with long commitments to top clients. People who came off a client at the wrong time and have a perfectly fine but easy to maneuver future schedule may find themselves in this bucket.

"Up or out" is when they make it undesirable for you to stay if you aren't promotion material - they won't fire you but they'll make it clear you aren't on track to progress there either and your opportunities will suck. Most people quit when they realize this is going on, but if you stay in this situation long enough you may find yourself eventually laid off. It's pretty easy to stay employed for awhile if you are in this bucket though - the firms don't lay people off all the often. I saw someone spend 5 or 6 years as an audit associate (normal is 2 or 3) simply because they weren't quitting and weren't doing basic stuff they needed to for promotion.

The "WTF are you even doing here?" performers will generally be fired for the first immediately fireable offense and don't fall into the lay-off bucket unless one is already pending and they are afraid of getting sued.

Mar 13, 2016

I have heard about this too from my professors actually about this. Doesn't this happen regardless of the timing?

Hiten

Mar 11, 2016

For what it's worth, I hear in London they are hiring fairly aggressively in corporate finance. Audit not so much. No idea about Tax / Consulting. In general it's pretty rare for a Big4 firm to do mass layoffs.

Mar 11, 2016

Same thing happened to PwC a few weeks ago on a bigger scale. Is this an ongoing trend in management consulting?

Mar 11, 2016

guess this is a crock of shit then: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-03-08/de...

Mar 11, 2016
F. Ro Jo:

guess this is a crock of shit then: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-03-08/de...

You do realize S&O is only ~1/3 of Consulting, which is in turn only ~1/4 of Deloitte, right? And within S&O, I'd estimate maybe 0.5% total layoffs.

Might just be letting poor performers go earlier given the soft market.

Mar 11, 2016

Double-digit growth doesn't necessarily mean strong growth for consulting/advisory services.

Mar 18, 2016

The Consulting market is "soft?" Really? Not trying to be sarcastic, but can someone elaborate on this, please? Are you referring to consulting for a specific industry that is being hammered (energy?)?

At my MBB, our billable period is at record levels. The concept of extended "beach time" is something that none of my peers who joined with me have experienced.

Also, if there is a significant dip in demand for consulting, I'd expect MBB to be hit first. Clients can put off buying strategy and other future-directions type of work, but they can't put off integrating a company that they have recently acquired....the latter is what PwC, Deloitte et al. mostly do.

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Mar 24, 2016

There's plenty of consulting work that falls between the MBB tier of strategy work and implementation work that has to get done no matter what.

Mar 23, 2016

We were told that the layoffs were due to deep bench and soft performance. The layoffs were mostly in Commercial with a few in Federal. According to leadership, the layoffs have been completed.

  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  May 8, 2016

This isn't isolated to S&O. Technology Consulting is in a complete hiring freeze except for campus hires you already have offers. I can confirm as I was laid off and have good performance reviews. I talked to the CEO of consulting and the chief talent officer of consulting. Both confirmed a hiring freeze.

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May 9, 2016

Will they be rescinding offers in S&O or Tech that were already given?

Jun 1, 2016

Not likely. Rescinding offers starts a cycle of future recruits not putting value on the offer they're given.

May 10, 2016

You guys are missing a classic trick in every large firm's book...hell even the government uses this one and they've got some of the most inept HR management on the planet.

Sometimes "layoffs" don't need to be labeled as such. All you need to do in order to obtain a slight reduction is to artificially and slightly raise the bar on "low performance" and keep doing that until you've trimmed as much staff as you want. It doesn't work for major cuts but if you want to cause a slow trickle out over the next few months or the next year or two it's more than sufficient.

I'm not saying this is the case there (I'm not tied into Deloitte enough to know) but if those of you who do know hear about noticeably larger numbers than usual getting let go for "low performance" that's a strong indicator.

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May 22, 2016

So, yeah, it happened to me. I was in what I understand was a second wave of layoffs, and the Partner and HR rep doing mine indicated they had been at it a while. I know it is happening in S&O, it seems mainly Public Sector. The market has been super soft, especially with a). Completion of many HIX systems now going to M&O ode the techs can handle, b). Some HIX systems being divested to the feds, and c). Governments putting off projects while waiting for the elections. I'd been utilized pretty poorly lately, as had the people I know.

I'd share more about my quals and location, but I do not want to be identified. I'll say that I am pretty qualified for Public Sector and had been there a while.

I have talked with people at the SC and Manager level, with one to five years with Deloitte. Everyone I spoke to got eight weeks plus accrued PTO - no difference by tenure. It's administered in an interesting way... one stays on payroll for the eight weeks, then the PTO gets paid out in a lump sum. Here's the issue... if you go to another employer at any point, they write you the check for the rest of your severance. Unless you go back to Deloitte! Then you lose the remaining severance. So if you get a new job quickly, you have a $10k plus incentive to not accept an offer from Deloitte (say they offer you an internal role).

They did not do performance reviews for people being laid off. So all that bad utilization will not bite you if you try to come back. I know people say never go back, but, to me, this is just the market and I harbor no ill will (other than some annoyance that the P/D who did it was not someone in my network).

So, for those wondering how you know... Sort of the order I have heard it happens...

  1. If you are on a project, you are suddenly rolled off.
  2. The next week, you get a sort of empty appointment from a P/D (something like, "Let's Connect").
  3. If you ask about the meeting, you get something vague such as, "Let's talk in person."
  4. You meet with the P/D and a talent rep. The P/D does very little. What stinks is, they may not even send a P/D in your network.
  5. You get the rest of the day to transition projects and stuff.

If you are rehirable, internal recruiters actually may be eager to chat. It's a good reason not to do anything improper on the way out.

Remember when you send your goodbye e-mail to CC your personal address and set the "Reply to" as that one.

Personally, I found the experience calm and easy. Just take it with grace and move on.

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  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  May 27, 2016

Yup - FY year end bloodletting. Didn't know people actually rolled back into positions from that state. What you described is exactly what happened to me. In my personal opinion, many practices way overstaffed. I heard stories of bold new hiring initiatives.

May 31, 2016

I've got to give you props for your attitude and the manner in which you've handled yourself. It's exactly like you said, the market, and it's just the beginning of what's to come (unfortunately). As consultants we dish it out, and can't be sour when caught in it ourselves.

  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  Jul 8, 2016

Correct. It happened to one of my friend too. I heard that right now there are no projects - reason to layoffs.

Jul 26, 2016

Awesome job compiling the framework. This is how exactly it happened to me. Just Severance part offered is less than half to me. Didn't sign the severance because offer is very low.

May 22, 2016

Can confirm low-level positions also experiencing layoffs... my knowledge is specific to Chicago S&O with termination occurring earlier this month.

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  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  May 25, 2016

Can also confirm they are letting ppl from Human Capital go as well due to similar explanations... I guess Green Dot consulting is not doing well this past year in general.

May 23, 2016

Heard from Deloitte friends that it was due to a soft market and lower than expected attrition. Layoffs are based on performance.

May 23, 2016

Yeah, but, at Deloitte performance is blended with utilization. So one can easily perform ell, but if the workflow dries up, the rating is still sucky.

May 27, 2016

Can confirm that this happened across the board in many Deloitte groups (think Advisory, Consulting, audit etc). It really sucks, because utilization is not always something individuals can control. When PPD cannot bring business in, juniors suffer no matter how hard you try. I feel really bad for those individuals. Some of them are model students at school and just a few months on this job. Big D, this is disgraceful.

May 27, 2016

I had a friend get laid off a week ago in audit. I thought it was crazy they laid off in audit.

Been hearing about the S&O layoffs for a while, and heard about some tech practices that have gotten slow for a while (Oracle), but I don't know what exactly may/may not have happened.

Jun 1, 2016

Keep your chin up and march forward.

Jun 1, 2016

Interesting updates... Have a few questions:
1) Will there be another wave?
2) Have the MBA/Msc new hires from the last cycle gotten called as well (have heard of people with low util.)?
3) I can gather this is Public sector (Gov., and sector teams), but what about Wash. D.C.? Didn't see that mentioned....
4) How low does your util. have to be before they lay you off? Does have to be noticeably low for six months or shorter?

Curious about this, I saw PwC had a simliar layoff wave earlier this year.

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Jun 1, 2016

Does anyone know for first and second year hires? Curious if junior guys were saved

Jun 2, 2016

Loos like the bval team merged with Monitor.

  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  Jun 10, 2016

I was laid off in May. Commercial S&O SC MBA hire. Had been at the firm for nearly two years. Good utilization and strong PEs. Ranking against my peers given the soft market was the reasoning. The severance package was great and I had multiple other consulting firm offers less than a month after getting laid off so not too bad. I had started preparing for the possibility after the first round of layoffs in March which helped. I know people who were caught completly by surprise. I know an SC with 100% utilization laid off in March so performance is definitely not a guarantee. MBA SC hires in commercial are especially targeted given their $140K+ annual base. I thought I had PPDs looking out for me and a great network of support but that was not the case. Deloitte was not a bad experience but had I known about their propensity to layoff MBAs at the drop of a hat when the market gets slightly soft I would have taken one of my many other consulting offers over Deloitte out of bschool so food for thought if you are deciding between MBB, Deloitte, and others like PwC, Accenture, and ATK. Do your research on their record of looking out for their people. Deloitte does not score well for loyalty to its people when the going gets tough.

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  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  Jun 17, 2016

Well, it happened to me just a few days ago... As soon as I hit the bench I got a "touch base" meeting invite from a PPD. For all I knew it was to talk about my skill-set for another project opportunity. I was a solid performer with 111% utilization and recommended for promotion through PE's for the past year. While on the phone I was shocked to hear from this PPD that the "firm" has decided to separate from me. When asked for an explanation, none could be provided. I think that communication through internal emails and through news media, the firm appears to be doing well, but that is just surface. Who knows what is really going on...

  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  Jul 11, 2016

Yes Completely agree with you. Same thing happened to one of my close friend. PPD said "Today is your last day". No explanation. Deloitte laid off atleast 13 of my friends whom I know in a span of three months - from April to June.

Jun 30, 2016

Can confirm the layoffs. One reason I heard was that the C and M levels are saturated, so there were cuts for the year 2 or up-for-promotion BAs and SCs. Tough times.

Jun 30, 2016
CuriousAlpaca:

Can confirm the layoffs. One reason I heard was that the C and M levels are saturated, so there were cuts for the year 2 or up-for-promotion BAs and SCs. Tough times.

WTF? (Sorry Alpaca, not necessarily directed at you, but this makes no sense).

In what world do you cut your "up-for-promotion" (read: higher performing) staff? Why are the Consultant/Manager levels saturated? If this is an attrition problem, weed out your lower performing staff and send them on their way. If this is an advancement problem, weed out your lower performing staff at the higher levels and sent them on their way. Levels are no longer saturated and you can promote your higher performing analysts/seniors.

I can't believe that people still at the Manager level have built enough of a client-relationship base to keep around. If they have, then they should be moving up as well.

Jul 1, 2016

I guess my choice of words (up-for-promotion) wasn't the best. Much of the layoffs happened to year-2 practitioners who should have otherwise made the transition to the upper level, but didn't (maybe they were on the wrong end of the Up-or-Out club?).

Why are the C/M levels saturated? I don't know. The evidence is anecdotal. The layoffs seemed random, but a bunch of the folks are BA/SCs.

Jun 30, 2016

What happens if you decline these "catch up" invites lol

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  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  Jul 8, 2016

Funny that you asked that. I was actually on jury duty when mine was scheduled so I declined the invite with a request for a different time and sure enough it was rescheduled.

Jul 1, 2016

Talked to someone else about this recently. Word is that a lot of the people layed off were in the public sector consulting.

Jul 1, 2016

All the layoffs were performance-related. Performance being somewhat subjective and were primarily based on a YE review conducted prior to finalization of the actual YE timeline (i.e. the decisions for who would go on the block was done probably at least a month prior to actual layoffs).

Lower than usual attrition + softer market demand meant balancing the supply-side equation. The firm stretched past the usual up-or-out (which is actually quite lenient) and removed below-average people who could have normally dragged along for a few years.

  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  Jul 6, 2016

Yes, there were layoffs in March through April. Usually people got warning ahead of time that they will be rolled out from the project and put into the bench where they have a very short amount of time to find a billable project. I was in the Federal and my office went through deep reduction of workforce as there was just not enough projects. I was not laid off, I got another opportunity with another company, but several my colleagues from the same project or the same office were let go in the spring.

Jul 11, 2016

Anyone know if this wave of layoffs is finished?

Jul 26, 2016

Nope- Just happened to me last week. Utilization was on target, performance was good...I was on project and as someone put thru a framework in order, exactly thats how it happend to me. I am still waiting to hear about severance which is very low.

Jul 26, 2016

Damn sorry to hear that. Why are they laying off people with good performance and good utilization it makes no sense

Aug 1, 2016

Can confirm that recruiters are being told Deloitte is doing ZERO S&O hiring for full time this year. Comlplete hiring freeze for MBAs.

Aug 1, 2016

Holy shit...

Does this apply to those recruiting for analyst level positions? Any idea what's going on for those coming right out of undergrad?

Sep 20, 2016
Buckingham U:

Does this apply to those recruiting for analyst level positions? Any idea what's going on for those coming right out of undergrad?

Answering my own question here after I have worked through the recruiting process, as I think it would benefit some other monkeys.

It looks like (from my small sample size) that S&O is cutting down on the hiring of BAs. My school was core for one of Deloitte's offices in the past few years, but they cut us off this year. Then, I tried getting into the process for a few other offices as a non-core student, but the feedback I got was that these offices were only hiring from core schools for this year. From alumni I could tell that I was a pretty competitive candidate (back when we thought Deloitte was recruiting on campus) so I don't think the problem is my lack of qualifications.

Bottom-line: BA recruiting is getting hit too.

Aug 1, 2016

Hahah, no. This is not true. You realize that if Deloitte or really any firm did this their employee base would shrink by 10% minimum...

What is probably true is that there is zero hiring growth. So if Deloitte hired 5 analysts last year they would do the same this year.

Aug 1, 2016

Or they're filling their full time / new hire needs exclusive with returning summer interns. I believe it.

Aug 18, 2016

A: Shrinking the employee base is the idea.

B: You're forgetting about intern conversion. It may very well be that they can meet their staffing goals solely by hiring their summers.

Aug 23, 2016

They aren't doing FT hiring at my MBA program. Kept in good contact with the recruiter who gave me an offer and the career center, as well as MBA interns who are returning. They filled with just their pipeline. Maybe not for EVERY school, but sounds like its happening in a few places

Aug 2, 2016
Aug 3, 2016
Elllo:

There's a reddit post on thishttps://www.reddit.com/r/consulting/comments/4kzw6...

Most of the content seems identical - I'm more curious regarding Attack_Chihuahua's comment; last post from Reddit was 2 months old. I can confirm there are no impacts on undergraduate recruiting for S&O.

Aug 13, 2016

I was in audit and with Deloitte for almost 7 years. I was up for promotion. I was on a client last year that was lost due to merger with another Company. I moved over to an internal project. I was average rated. A friend of mine whi worked there 10 years and I got laid off a couple of weeks ago.

Sep 2, 2016

How many months of severance did they offer you and your friend?

Aug 17, 2016

I just accepted an offer (Mgr) from Deloitte in the S&O group (non-federal). Should I be concerned?

Aug 17, 2016

Yes, commercial S&O is incredibly challenging to break into as an experienced hire - especially during a year where there has already been two rounds of layoffs.... Be clear on expectations and don't assume anything is a given..

Sep 2, 2016

i heard that they are starting with the lowest performers and making their way up from there to average performers if needed ... lesson? don't be a average or below average performer and you have nothing to worry about.

Sep 13, 2016

Is this affecting all parts of Deloitte or just strategy&ops? I'm going to Deloitte Digital. Should I be worried?

Sep 13, 2016

based on Fishbowl chatter, Deloitte Digital hasn't had layoffs and is hiring heavily.

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