SoftBank Vision Fund / GIC / Temasek

I know that these three seem like a random grouping of firms, but I wanted to see if the WSO community has a view on where they stand in regards to US PE Investing from a investment performance, career development/platform, and overall strategy perspective. A little surprising how there's close to nothing of substance on the forums about these guys, especially with how active/big they've gotten in the US. Hence grouping them here instead of creating 2-3 separate threads.

With GIC and Temasek, I'm referring to their NY/SF operations that focus on direct investments. With SoftBank, this will be their San Carlos operations. GIC and Temasek , at least from my view, have been "behind the scenes" while participating in many of the large buyouts/investments in the past few years (Neustar, Veritas, PetSmart, Ancestry, Kronos). While all three have been more active in tech growth investing recently, and have dedicated Tech Investment teams. Anyone have experience working on these with them?

Thanks!

 

There's a lot of solid info here, I can't recall if it talks about US operations separately.

https://www.ft.com/content/71ad7cda-6ef4-11e8-92d3-6c13e5c92914

Per the article, even with all of Softbank's skill/pedigree, they apparently outsource key items which typically are in the GP's main workstream. Run by former bankers which is public info.

Also very interested in this topic. Curious if you could get away with only knowing English while working for any of these funds.

 

GIC and Temasek, definitely. These are Singaporean firms; anything apart from English really would not be necessary. Singaporeans speak English primarily; Chinese and other languages as second languages. (source: I am Singaporean, and have engaged with several GIC/Temasek spokespeople before)

 
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Answering each of your questions:

Overall strategy:

One interesting fact is that since their direct investment activities are a result of a horizontal move (they have been co-investors for so long alongside all the GPs they have been fund investors in) rather than their initial focus, the SWFs in particular tend to have a better matrix of strategy and stage than the megafunds do.

For example, in the past decade KKR alone has added dedicated vehicles for technology growth equity (2016), healthcare growth equity (2017), tactical real estate credit (2017), domestic real estate private equity (2013), European real estate private equity (2016), infrastructure (2013), and special situations (2014).

I probably forgot some, my memory isn't perfect. Almost half of those I listed are successfully on to a Fund II or III.

The point I'm making is that megafunds are dramatically expanding their footprint to offer specialized funds. However, the more sophisticated SWFs (CPP, OTPP, Temasek, etc.) have already had dedicated teams in place around these strategies in order to be adequately reactive when those GPs would walk in and say "Hey, want to co-invest in an individual deal?"

Amusingly, the reason GPs had to go seek external capital was because they didn't have the firepower to take down all the deals they were able to source that may have been slightly off-center for a flagship buyout or credit fund .... which was the very prompt for the proliferation of such specialized vehicles. It's an interconnected phenomenon.

Overall, the strategy is always first and foremost to make money, followed usually by an intent to diversify away from the state's economy. Norway, for instance (the world's largest SWF) wants exposure to non-energy assets. Same thing for all the Middle Eastern guys (ADIA, Mubadala, QIA, etc.).

Beyond that, it's largely the whim of whoever runs the firm. Some are run by political appointees. Fewer are run by an external, non-affiliated hire who is chosen in a standard competitive search process.

Investment performance:

The sovereigns are roughly comparable to the megafunds in the return targets they set, although there are two main differences.

(a) They have a different investment horizon. Since they don't have external investors, they can be the ultimate patient capital. Deals aren't underwritten on a 4-year duration like they are at megafunds, it's often done with a longer hold period in mind.

(I know of one SWF that is really sophisticated and is thoughtful about how this duration component allows them more time to implement operational changes and thus incorporates a lens to examine which businesses require more capital than a sponsor may want to invest in a portfolio company but offer equally larger revenue growth from a successful transformation.)

(b) Their gross return is private equity's net return. They can go after deals that sponsors shy away from because they don't have a 20% performance fee impacting their returns. Whatever gains their investments generate show up on the bottom line (minus incentives paid to investment staff, obviously).

Softbank is a different beast because it has LPs itself. (I believe Michael Ronen from Goldman is the Managing Partner, although I don't know if that's a title given to multiple people or if it's what they call him as CIO.)

I believe its entire focus is on growth investments though, so the return profile they sold LPs on was higher than traditional buyout, although they have a convoluted capital base in that vehicle. Rather than traditional fund commitments, half the people are on some kind of preferred-esque unit that offers a coupon ... and some people are on a debt instrument rather than an equity basis in the vehicle. The whole thing is Frankenstein-y.

Career development:

They are not poorly regarded names. If you go to a sovereign out of an analyst program, you simply need to diligence whether they push you out for business school or not.

If they do, you can consider it roughly analogous to a megafund. A b-school adcom is going to know the name and look for resume items that show the same sort of stuff they look for from a private equity applicant: deal execution, a habit of leadership, and a continued expansion of responsibility.

If they don't, you have to figure out what the long-term compensation potential is. It's not a GP, so you can't get carry in the fund the same way you would at a sponsor; you may be offered phantom equity, or you may find that it's simply a discretionary bonus much like you find in the hedge fund world.

You also have to figure out the promotion trajectory. The longer-duration mindset I mentioned previously tends to also apply here; your title growth may not be as predictable as it is in the sponsor universe.

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My direct experience with them on deals of various sizes has been that there's no one-size-fits-all answer.

One of them moved fairly quickly and was responsive on a process. The majority seemed to not fit that, they were slower or unwieldy in a way I didn't find enjoyable.

I do know that you don't have to speak the native language of whatever country the SWF represents, even if your offer is in the domestic office of that country. I know continental guys for whom English is a second or third (but fully fluent) language who have taken offers in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Doha, and Seoul. I know Americans who staff the New York or West Coast offices of GIC and Temasek who are cornbread/plain Jane U.S. citizens.

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

As always, thanks for quality writeup.

I guess I specifically called out GIC/Temasek as they seem to be the most committed in hiring and building out their US operations versus the other SWFs. And have some solid talent above the junior level it seems. And with SoftBank, agree with your description. Their current setup and thus far non-existent track record draws a lot of doubt. Though they have been able to draw top tier junior talent away from megafunds it seems.

 

I’ll add my two cents from what I’ve gathered from friends (or friend of friends) at these places / recruited there.

First off, all great brand name.

Second, I’d differentiate co-investing vs. lead investing. I think one of the GIC or Temasek is more of the “active/lead investment” platform than the other one. A friend of friend complains about GIC mostly doing co-investing, where in a lot of cases, most of DD materials/analysis is already done by the lead sponsor PE form. That might dilute your experience, depending on what you are looking for. Vision fund is definitely an active/lead investor.

Third, investment size / focus. GIC/Temasek I think invest across industries and also more mature companies than what Vision Fund would invest in. Vision Fund is tech...can be really early in the series or like Uber. But tech and high growth platforms.

 

Oh and I’ll add....idk what comp is like at GIC and Temasek but a friend who recruited with Vision Fund quoted something ridiculous (~500k). I have my doubts but then again there are outliers like Apollo and also AUM per head at Vision Fund is insane so I’m sure that money is less in terms of % of fee revenue.

 

not surprising bc although a lot of softbank's new hires are direct from banking/consulting, there are a few that decided to leave apollo/bx PE for the move to softbank, which they wouldn't do if comp weren't high

 

Recently went out to GIC on a deal that I'm working on. They signed an NDA but never submitted a bid. We had two calls with them. This is what I gathered about them from the two calls. Their minimum check size is $300 million, but really don't like to do anything smaller than $500 million. Due to their Singaporean ties when they invest in U.S. investements it has to be through a blocker corporation for tax advantages and they have to be a minority investor in the blocker. Because of this need they are almost always pairing up with other PE firms. I believe they partnered with Blackstone on the recent Thompson Reutuers deal.

Think their U.S. team is pretty lean too from what I remember. Because of their need to partner with other PE funds in a blocker it sounds like they are able to leverage their partner's diligence work and prefer being a minority equity investor alongside a BX, KKR or a TPG. All that to say I would say their strategy is to help provide the equity to mega-funds for large buyouts while leveraging their work and diligence as a minority investor. Pretty good thing they've got going. Could be way off-base but this what I gathered from our calls with them.

 

How is SoftBank not a fraud when it’s levered up on alibaba stock which is a fraud? And it invests in other Ponzi schemes like Uber?

 

Why is alibaba a fraud.

Also I wouldn’t be shocked if SoftBank blows up someday. Lots of things they’ve paid up a lot in and have 8% dividend.

I’m not a big believer in Uber. Highly debatable if they will have any pricing power ever. Consumers are cheap if the next app will book your cab for a buck cheaper then the consumer will use the other app. Fundamentally the software isn’t that complex.

 

Well the Temasek tech team trying to think in a sophisticated manner is like a baboon attempting to access Dostoevsky (have interacted with them multiple times, seen internal models / materials, etc.).

So, no, not respected, at least in tech. If you want to blunder about as a generalist / tourist, yessir.

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Does anyone have any insight into GIC for either its co-investments/minority investment or secondaries team? Any information on culture and compensation would be really helpful. I know there is no carried interest, so how does comp look as you hit more senior levels? Is it similar to regular PE sponsors except higher cash bonus to make up for lack of carried interest?

 

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