Villanova v. Fordham UG
After being rejected from some Ivy schools I am left with two choices for UG b-school.
Villanova School of Business and Fordham's Gabelli School of Business
Villanova vs Fordham
Which of these UBS
Villanova is ranked 65th for recruitment at bulge bracket banks. They have the best representation at Deutsche bank and Houlihan Lokey.
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Fordham has a small, but growing, presence on the Street within IBD and a very supportive crop of alumni. A couple of the bulge brackets now have a minimum of ~2-3 superday slots for Fordham students (semi-target is a fair characterization) and Fordham has placed well in diversity programs (that can often lead to a summer offer) for both sophomores and juniors.
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I go to Fordham. I know kids graduating going to IBD at Barclays, JPM, and MM firms. I know people going to S&T as well, and graduates from the last few years who broke into the industry. A little networking and a little luck is all you need. I don't really know how Villanova does in terms of placement. PM me with any questions you might have about the school.
Your hopes about working at a hedge fund are a bit too optimistic. Hedge funds don't hire from Undergrad (at least very few and from top schools)...and yes the skills you gain by doing IBD or trading are very valuable and you will not learn them by yourself or in class.
Fordham is expanding and opportunities are better now, but mostly for BO and MO (with some FO for top guys). Even though you live in metro area, Fordham is still at a huge advantage in terms of networking. You can schedule meetings with alums during semester and have internships in the city during school.
Fordham has no party life, while Villanova is much more fun, but is also full of idiots! Villanova might have better faculty and infrastructure, but it won't necessarily give u a better education, that part is entirely on you.
wow, i just posted the same thing but BC instead of Villanova haha my bad
Villa-no-fun has a better party scene??? Damnnn
[quote=technoviking]Villa-no-fun has a better party scene??? Damnnn[/quote
What i meant was a better college experience at V vs F. But Fordham being close to the city has it's advantages in partying as well.
I'm facing this same decision right now. I'm leaning toward Fordham but I'm planning on transferring.
I'm a Cornell AEM student who transferred in, I just want to stress that its an extremely competitive program to get in and that you'll need high grades, along with solid reasons for wanting to transfer that go beyond the typical reasons of prestige, good IB placement, etc. The good thing is that they don't look at your SAT scores, so wherever you go just do well and write good essays and hope for the best. Also, apply to some more schools and don't limit yourself just to Cornell or other Ivy's there are a decent amount of schools that have good placement into IB.
Villanova or Fordham? (Originally Posted: 06/01/2013)
So I am transferring this year and have been accepted into Villanova's school of Business, and Fordham's Gabelli school of business. I am transferring in as a Junior by the way, and will be loosing some credits but whatever.
Which one of these programs will be best for recruiting (which I guess starts this coming fall/spring) for internships, and then obviously, FT when it comes time for that? Curious to see what people think.
Also, if anyone has transferred before, what do I do with my current resume structure? When I apply for internships, which will be very soon, I wont have a GPA at Villanova or Fordham, so will I have to still list my previous University? And will that affect my ability to secure internships/jobs over other undergraduate students? Thanks.
Recruiting at Fordham is pretty solid in my opinion. Being in NYC and having a solid alum base definitely helps a lot. A good amount go to the BB's from here, myself included, and many others go to a slew of other notable financial services firms. The opportunities definitely exist at Fordham as the Finance programhas a solid rep around the city. Get a decent GPA, get involved, and be proactive and you can set yourself up for success. It's not an Ivy obviously so you definitely have to work a bit harder and really show your hungry but it is seriously recruited at for a number of places, I'm sure you'd be thrilled to intern/ work at.
It's actually not. I'm not sure if you're a Fordham student, but the OCR is horrendous.
If you want to do Big 4 or S&T, come to Fordham. Otherwise, go to Villanova.
Cool thanks for the advice. So would you think Fordham > Villanova because of those reasons? And I am not sure if you know anything about the transfer process, but I have no clue what to do with my resume for recruiting this fall/spring. I wont have a Fordham or Nova GPA on there, only my old school which I don't want to list at all on my resume.. Any ideas?
I transferred the summer before my Junior year and was in the same situation as you. What I did with my resume (based of other people's advice) is to list both your old and new school. For the fall semester just leave out the GPA part under your new school and list the GPA that you had at your old institution UNDER you old school. This way there isn't any ambiguity for the recruiters and they can easily identify that you transferred.
Luckily for you (and was for me) most SA recruiting doesn't get underway until spring, so make SURE you get high GPA your fall semester at your new school. After the fall you can add that GPA under your new institution along with what you already have for your old school.
I know it's tempting to not list the school you transferred from (even after you have a GPA at the new school) but it'll prevent any "issues" and "surprises" when companies do your background check.
Also don't combine GPAs from both institutions and list it under the new school's GPA.
So you are saying S&T and Big 4 are the only opportunities available to Fordham grads?.. Curious where your getting that from
Not the only opportunities, but definitely the best ones. Hardly any IBD recruiting is done at Fordham.
Unless you count selling insurance at Northwestern Mutual an opportunity, then whatever works for you.
Would definitely pick Nova...
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I would go with Fordham since it's in NYC. Much easier to network. Villanova might be a better undergrad.
Villanova is on the lower end of semi targets. Fordham is a complete non target. Your choice.
Villanova is the better option, both for undergrad and graduate studies.
Nova. Had a friend who's an undergrad there show me the list of banks coming to campus for SA OCR this year. Recall seeing MS, BAML, BarCap, Jefferies, Nomura, HW from the top of my head.
Villanova no competition
Take in from a Philly guy, they call it Villa-no-fun for a reason. However, also from a Philly guy, they have the 2nd best IB recruiting in the state (big Target for CS,BoAML)
Agreed on the recruiting. I'm not an alumnus but a good friend of mine went there and apparently their recruiting is pretty decent (both locally and for NY). For banking and s&t.
Unless you're a supreme networker and feel you can really leverage Fordham's location, I would easily pick nova.
@broadstbully - hit up the Villanova meet-up this Thursday.
They really call it Vanilla-Nova. Nova was pretty fun and you can always go into the city. The mainline is family orientated so you don't have an urban excitement. The 5-6 bars that people do go to are fun though.
WSO is having a meet-up? I didn't see one, but I'm down depending on the time if so -- beautiful place. I would have gone there myself if it had been a little bit more urban.
And yeah I've heard Vanilla-nova too. Whatever suits your fancy I guess. I have buddies that go to St Joes who constantly complain about the lack of anything to do on the mainline, but it doesn't seem thaaaat bad. Go Jay Wright!!
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