I was wondering how many analysts are usually headed by an MD. And how many VPs does an MD supervise? And how many associates each VP? and is there something between VP and MD? I often read Executive Director, but sometimes people say Executive Directors and VP are synonyms. True?
Sorry for these stupid questions, but maybe you can help clarify. Thanks a lot!
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MD / ED 0.5 VP/Directors 2 - 3 Analysts / Associates
Different banks have different titles. Analysts / Associates are generally the same everywhere with MD's at the top but the 2 or 3 titles in the middle vary.
Teams constantly vary depending on need. There is no clearcut answer at BBs. However, there is always the team leader who is an MD or an ED and then the line of business/group head MD oversees them.
Also, yes Executive Director and Director is between VP and MD and is not synonymous with VP. Typically Directors do the same job functions but they are more senior and paid better than VPs.
Executive Directors usually oversee the Directors and the rest of the team and are promoted to MD based on performance but not replaced by anyway in terms of rank or headcount. They just get a higher title
thanks a lot, that was helpful. I think I have a better understanding now. Correct me if I am wrong, but an MD heads a group (say ECM Technology, just as an example), a few vice presidents are below him and head sub-groups, and each vice president has associates and analysts below him. Executive Directors head groups as well and can be promoted to MD, but no new group or anything is added, it's simply a higher title with a higher base salary I suppose.
MDs don't head a group. Most groups have multiple MDs who may or may not concentrate on a specific sector. One or more of those MDs is appointed as a "group head", who is tasked with handling the more operational aspects of the group.
I don't agree with this breakdown. Generally, there are fewer Directors / EDs than there are MDs, but the number of VPs is usually in-line with the number of MDs, and it continues to grow from that point lower. Analyst / MD ratios can be between 2:1 and 3:1, depending on the bank.
More importantly, IB doesn't really work in terms of "direct reports". Deal teams are staffed on a case-by-case basis, so one MD might be working with different Directors / VPs at different times. Within the deal team, it would be extremely unusual for more than one person at each "level" to be staffed on the same deal (i.e. 1 MD, 1 VP/D, 1 Associate, 1 Analyst per team).
md to analyst ratio (Originally Posted: 04/21/2010)
what is the average MD to analyst ratio at a bb bank? my group's is about 1-2. Is that high?
its all different. group I was gonna join was 3 MDs, 1VP, and 2 Analysts. It all depends, just like everything else in life.
That surprises me. I would have thought it would have been more of a pyramid going the other way.
depends on the firm, some are well known for being top heavy. BB's I think usually have your atypical pyramid with an army of analysts, boutiques are usually leaner as a generalization
The office location matters as well for BBs. If it is a satellite i would expect a higher ratio because there is more client coverage and less execution.
MD / Analyst Ratio (Originally Posted: 10/14/2011)
wondering what the typical MD:Analyst ratio is? 1:1? 1:2?
Are there groups out there with more MDs than Analysts?
Informed responses appreciated...
1:5
3:2 - boutique
LMAO
uh..2:1 and this was not a small place by any means, unfortunately
Analyst-to-MD Ratio (Originally Posted: 03/06/2008)
What is a good analyst-to-MD ratio? Given the nature of the economy, I am afraid my firm will start laying off more of the MDs (some have already been cut). As the MDs are cut, I want to be able to judge approximately how many analysts will need to get cut to keep the work-flow reasonable. I doubt my firm will cut more than 10% of the MDs without cutting at least SOME analysts.
Can anyone give me your firm's analyst-to-MD ratio?
Sorry, but I need to bump this. I'm concerned for my job in the failing US economy. Anyone?
I'm not sure how knowing this information will do anything for you except make you even more worried. If you're a top performer on the job as an analyst, then you have nothing to worry about. Not coincedentally, that's the only thing within your power to control.
Agree w/ Game Theory. I've seen groups with 20 analysts and 20 MDs, as well as groups who run much more lean w/ 4 or 5 analysts working for 15-20 MDs.
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