Where to apply for undergrad? (ex-military)

Background: I’m 23 years old, and am currently an enlisted Infantryman in the U.S. Army. I will get out of the Army in early 2011, and I would like to start college that fall. My eventual goal is an IBD offer at a BB in NYC (surprising, I know). I’m currently taking online classes with Central Texas College. By the time I get out, I will have around 35-40 credits, and I see no reason why my GPA will drop from 4.0.

I’m reaching for the stars with my college applications. My high school career was lackluster at best, and I scored a 1260 on the SAT back in 2004. However, with a 4.0 GPA from community college and some compelling essays and letters of recommendation, I believe I might have a glimmer of hope. I’m optimistic that my military service will at least help influence the admission committees to read my essays. After that, there’s no way to tell.

My plan is to apply just about everywhere. I know there isn’t a chance in hell that I will be accepted to Wharton or Yale, but I’m applying anyway. Until I see a rejection letter, I will always wonder, “What if?” With this in mind, I was hoping for some guidance in regards to the magical Wall Street “target” schools. Obviously the Ivies (those that accept transfer applicants) are a given, but I’m a realist. I’m looking for more than just the top targets. I have no problem applying to 20 different universities -- I will go wherever I am accepted. I’m just looking for a little direction.

Anyway, here’s my tentative list. I’ve ranked the schools in order of precedence in relation to securing an IBD job in NYC. The problem is that I have no idea what I’m talking about. I created this list with the little knowledge I’ve gained over the past few months by reading sites like WSO. I’m fully aware that my list is probably wrong. That’s why I need your help!

TOP, CRAZY, NO CHANCE IN HELL REACHES (& NYU)
1.) Wharton
2.) Yale
3.) Columbia (School of General Studies)
4.) NYU Stern
5.) Dartmouth
6.) MIT Sloan

MID-RANGE, WHO KNOWS, MIGHT JUST PULL IT OFF POSSIBLES
7.) Cornell
8.) Duke
9.) Stanford
10.) Georgetown
11.) UChicago

JUST ABOUT GUARANTEED LOCK, "SAFETY"
12.) UT Austin McCombs

Now before you ask, here are my reasons for applying to Columbia GS and not CC. I know there are those out there who trash-talk Columbia’s GS program. If I’m applying for regular transfer to Wharton and Yale, why not chance Columbia College? The truth is that I believe I actually have a solid shot at Columbia GS. They love veterans, and they are participating 100% in the Yellow Ribbon Program of the new G.I. Bill (basically, I would go to school 100% for free, and receive about $2400 a month for housing). I realize I may be looked down upon by interviewers, but I still think that the recruiting programs available at the school would put me in a better position than NYU. Is this assumption incorrect? Questions such as this are the reason I’m posting this topic.

Also, I must reiterate that my goal is IBD in NYC. It is absolutely critical that I work in NYC, even if it’s not a BB. For this reason I left out schools like UCB Haas, which I’ve heard is mostly a regional target. I realize UT Austin McCombs also falls under this category, but McCombs is my safety. Texas is my home state, and I know all my community college credits would transfer 100%.

Well, there you have it. Any and all opinions and comments are welcome. I’m sure I have some schools in the wrong order, and some left out entirely. Sages of Wall Street (Oasis), please share with me your wisdom.

Thank you.

 

Retake the SAT, get above a 700 in every section and those top schools will be falling over after you. Military man who got a 4.0 in his spare time. Shit, Harvard will love you.

 

Why do you want to do to NYC so bad? I think snapping out of that would be very beneficial in the long run. ^^ And I wouldn't be so sure those schools will be "falling all over you". It depends on what courses you took. If you took a bunch of upper division stats, calculus, econometrics, physics etc., that should bode well. You would have a better shot at NYU & Columbia than you would Stanford (they have one of the lowest admission rates in the country).

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chron3k:
Have you considered finishing your undergraduate degree either online or at a local college, taking the GMAT, and applying for business school?
I've thought about it, but I didn't know if I'd have enough work experience. Yes, I've been in the Army for the past 5 years, but unlike most military-to-MBA candidates, I'm not an officer. I have some leadership experience (I'm a Sergeant), but I don't think business schools look at it quite the same.

And westfald, the reason I want NYC so bad is because... well, I'm married. My wife is about to finish her degree in fashion design and has job offers in NYC. It's the best city in the U.S. for both of our careers.

Oh, and yes, I've considered the fact that being an Analyst/Associate will take up all my time and I'll never see my wife. Her job will be the same way, so hopefully we'll manage.

 

but it is my understanding that what school plays little part in getting a SA spot or even a FT offer assuming you get into a school that is considered a target. Going to just about any of the schools you listed would give you a shot at an opportunity to work on WS but everything else depends on how well you do in your classes and in any interviews.

You need to focus on getting a high GPA, learning as much about finance and being involved in leadership positions in the ECs you do at school. Do a search online and see what SAT score is competitive for the schools you are looking at and that should give you a better idea of your chances. Good luck.

Regards

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I think your list is a little skewed; iirc, Stanford is the toughest school in the country to transfer in to. However, have you considered applying as a freshman to some of these schools (it would also open up Harvard/Princeton to you)? If I were you, I'd speak to the AdComs, explain your situation, say you want to apply as a freshman but were hoping some of your community college classes will transfer in (even as a transfer student, I doubt they'd all accept all the classes). This will also have the advantage of giving you the chance to connect on a personal level with someone in the admissions office, even if they say no.

That said, you've identified most of the target schools; if you tell your story well and get a good GPA from one of these schools, you should be able to get any job on the street.

While I agree GS is knocked, I think that if you have a clear reason that you are in GS, as you seem to do, it should be fine. And I definitely would not advise going the bschool route.

 

Asking to apply as a freshman is worth a try I suppose. No harm done in asking. That means they will need my high school transcript, however, and the only thing THAT is going to get me is a big fat rejection letter. I coasted through high school on the bare minimum program (no foreign language, no calculus, very few AP classes, etc.) and had something like a 2.9 GPA when it was all said and done. The only shot I believe I have is to apply as a transfer with a glowing record from community college.

As for my list being skewed, I suppose I was a little confusing with the titles. I've heard that Stanford is super-ridiculous-selective, but I listed the colleges in (my perceived) order of their ability to land be an IBD job in NYC. Stanford would probably be my top choice if I were open to working in LA, but for NYC I've heard that it gets beat out by NYU, MIT etc. I realize that no matter where I go it will come down to by own personal work ethic (GPA), my ability to interview, and a little luck. I'm just drawing upon the SA lists that come out every now and then. NYU Stern always seems to be right up there with the Ivies, sometimes ahead of them.

Are there any other schools that I should add to the list?

Thanks again everyone for all of your help.

 

It's much more open to transfers than you'd think - if you keep up your grades in online school and re-take your SATs, I think you'd stand a good chance. Wharton is about producing people who will be effective in the workplace, and I've yet to work with an ex-military guy who hasn't been a star.

That said, consider more high quality state schools like Michigan, UCLA, UVA, or Wisconsin. They all have good placement.

 
yesman:
It's much more open to transfers than you'd think - if you keep up your grades in online school and re-take your SATs, I think you'd stand a good chance. Wharton is about producing people who will be effective in the workplace, and I've yet to work with an ex-military guy who hasn't been a star.

That said, consider more high quality state schools like Michigan, UCLA, UVA, or Wisconsin. They all have good placement.

I'm going to call Penn's math department tomorrow to get clarification, but according to their website Wharton is not an option for me due to the fact that transfer credit will not be awarded for any Calculus classes taken online. Since Calculus is a pre-req for acceptance to Wharton as a transfer student, I might be fucked. It all depends on how many credits I can have and still be considered a sophomore transfer. If it's possible to meet that criteria with 40-50 credits, then perhaps I'll go to UNT (Univ. of North Texas, 15 minutes away from my home town) for a semester and re-take Calculus before I apply. Or I'll just apply to CAS.

Either way, Wharton or no Wharton, I really appreciate all the replies in this thread. I will definitely look into UCLA, UVA, and Wisconsin. Michigan, I'm afraid, isn't an option... my father (along with all 4 of his brothers) graduated from Ohio State. No job on the planet, including IBD in NYC, is worth the family wrath I would endure for becoming a Wolverine. :)

Thanks again.

I would agree with yesman and look into the schools he listed in addition to the top state schools which he mentioned.

UNC, Emory, and University of Florida are some of the ones I can think of that no one has mentioned yet although these will be tougher places to come from and break into any of the NYC BBs.

Regards

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I'm reviving this thread one more time to post my updated list of potential schools. I added several of the schools that were suggested to me in the original replies to this thread. I did not add some schools, however, because I didn't feel they would set me up any better than UT Austin McCombs, which is my safety. I'll ask once again if there are any other schools I should apply to (any!), that would put me in a better position than McCombs.

Here's my current list, in about my preferred order.

Yale (Eli Whitney Program) UPenn Wharton Columbia (School of General Studies) NYU Stern Stanford Duke Cornell AEM Brown Georgetown UVA McIntire U. Chicago Booth Northwestern UM Ross UT Austin McCombs

Please do not suggest the following schools, as it will not be possible for me to apply to them:

Harvard - Doesn't accept transfers. Princeton - Doesn't accept transfers. Dartmouth - Requires SAT II subject tests, won't have a chance to take. MIT Sloan - Requires SAT II subject tests, won't have a chance to take. UCB Haas - Doesn't accept sophomore transfers. UCLA - Doesn't accept sophomore transfers.

There you have it. I can't thank you all enough for your guidance on this issue. I need to figure out which schools I'm applying to NOW, as they all have different pre-requisite courses for transfer. I need to arrange for my upcoming CTC schedule to allow me to apply to the largest number of schools possible.

Thanks again!

 

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