12/20/11

A few years ago it was commonplace to see horrendous bar tabs wracked up on a Tuesday night at Scores, but 2008 brought an end to all of that. However, it appears nine London bankers are bringing sexy back. During their company Christmas party on the 8th, they amassed an impressive PS71,000 ($111,500 USD) tab at The Rose Club (receipt after the jump). At one point, they even made it rain PS50 notes in the club.

Even more impressive is what they spent the money on. Sure, they had the obligatory Dom Pete, but they only bought six magnums of that swill. The bulk of the tab came from the purchase of 24 Methuselah of Ciroc Vodka at PS1,850 a bottle. That's 38 gallons of vodka. Between nine guys and their dates (and presumably dozens of new friends at the bar).

You want to know what really sucks? After leaving an PS18,000 ($28,275 USD) tip, the club didn't even waive the PS15 cover charge per person. What's that all about?

Sounds like a great party to me. What are the chances American bankers are going to best this tab this holiday season?

Comments (148)

Best Response
12/20/11

Jokes on them, they still have to look at British chicks.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

12/20/11

Models and bottles, bitches. Real playas doing real shit.

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11
happypantsmcgee:

Jokes on them, they still have to look at British chicks.

+1

lmao, honestly, who really gives a fuck.. anyone can ball out if they want.. thats just absurd that they dropped that much loot on one night.. shit cray

12/20/11

If I was in that group, I would definitely be the guy bitching in the cab ride home about the 15 bucks cover

In reply to Unforseen
12/20/11
Unforseen:

If I was in that group, I would definitely be the guy bitching in the cab ride home about the 15 bucks cover

Yeah, that's some bush league bullshit right there.

In reply to Unforseen
12/20/11
Unforseen:

If I was in that group, I would definitely be the guy bitching in the cab ride home about the 15 bucks cover

so true

12/20/11

Who the fuck orders water??

12/20/11

WOW

Get busy living

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11
happypantsmcgee:

Jokes on them, they still have to look at British chicks.

Lol. That was exactly my first thought as well. London has horrendous girls, even worse than NYC.

They should've partied in L.A. or Vegas.

12/20/11
12/20/11

How much of the tip would that server get? 10g's for passing out some drinks seems a bit much.

In reply to Spuds
12/20/11
Spuds:

How much of the tip would that server get? 10g's for passing out some drinks seems a bit much.

I'm going to tell you something and you better remember it for the rest of your life. If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford the meal. If these dorks were dropping 100k USD on a night out you bet your fucking ass they better tip accordingly.

By your logic, I should tip the same whether I order a sandwich or the serf and turf since either way shes just bringing a plate to the table.

Also you can best your sweet ass these dudes were treated like fucking kings that night. Its not like the hoe serving them drinks was some busted chick that used to be a waitress at Applebees.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

12/20/11

There's no way the waitresses didn't take these guys out back and service them. I mean, even I'd be bashful just providing a courteous reach around.

In reply to Spuds
12/20/11
Spuds:

How much of the tip would that server get? 10g's for passing out some drinks seems a bit much.

DO NOT FUCK WITH THE BARTENDER'S TIPS MOTHERFUCKER, I'LL SHANK YOU

Does that clear things up for you?

Get busy living

12/20/11

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

In reply to wadtk
12/20/11
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

I hope this is a joke.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to Spuds
12/20/11
Spuds:

How much of the tip would that server get? 10g's for passing out some drinks seems a bit much.

I'm assuming they had more than one server.....

12/20/11

I agree with you HPM but you guys should chill (particularly UFO) and read, because I think what Spuds meant is that the club might take a cut and not give the whole 18k to the waiter.

Besides, this is not the US, in London in some places you get charged the service directly into the bill, especially in clubs and other places where people never leave tips. If you read the bill they were already charged 15% for service, so I don't think it would have been wrong even if they didn't leave anything. 15% is a good % of the bill to pay as tip (especially in a 55k bill) and it's more than what people leave in London when they aren't charged for the service. Between the 15% and the extra tip these guys left 34%, which is great, and I'm not saying they shouldn't have, but it would have been very acceptable to "just" give 1k or 2k.

12/20/11

LOL rich kids discussing the plight of the "working man"

Stick to your spreadsheets, geeks.

Get busy living

In reply to wadtk
12/20/11
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to GoodBread
12/20/11

GoodBread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jso8PTuoLfw[/quote]

Diddy does so much to promote his vodka, yet Justin Timberlake does nothing to promote his tequila. Enjoy:

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12/20/11

it's not a 10k $ tip, it's a f*ing 28k $ tip.
15% were already included, so guys like wadtk pay even if they don't want to

In reply to wadtk
12/20/11
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

haha what do u want a handjob?

12/20/11

Imagine blowing that much money in a titty bar! I bet I could take all the strippers to my pad.

This is def. some baller shit

12/20/11

Reminds me of the 2007 bar tab at a club in London called Crystal (has since closed and changed its name). That tab came to 105,805GBP with the highlight being the Cristal Methuselah at 30,000GBP for a single bottle.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1558471/Bus...

12/20/11

by the way, why didn't they have to pay taxes?

12/20/11

taxes included in drink price

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

12/20/11

Let this be a learning lesson to all monkeys..open a bar near whichever industry is making it rain...but don't open one in Silicon Valley...those geeks wont even pay $5 for a Corona.

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11

Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:
I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

hahah you're such a Mr. Pink:

12/20/11

I still remember the good old days. When we place #1 or #2 in II for something, they put up signs in the elevators now. Back in 2007, they'd hold a party immediately after the close, break out the Champagne (paid for by the firm), and throw a party. Then after 2-3 rounds everyone would grab drinks at a nearby bar.

In 2010, I was the odd rich guy who decided to throw a going away party and cover his own open bar tab (beer only). Worked out to $400 and I had my Dutch ancestors claw their way out of the grave and chase me for a few hours for spending so much (or maybe it was just the DT).

12/20/11
In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

12/20/11

IP,

I had a tradition at my commodities firm where we'd knock off at the market close on Fridays and I'd go to the bar across the street and open a tab for everyone for a couple hours. Invariably, this one douchebag in the office who didn't drink would come over and want to put a meal on the tab. This was a guy who made good money, too.

"But Eddie, you know I don't drink. It's not fair."

"Fuck fair, Jeff. I opened a drinking tab, and it's for anyone who wants to drink. It's not my fault that you're some kind of fucking health nut that doesn't drink. Buy your own fucking pizza."

The nerve of some people.

That wasn't even the worst, though. There were a few times the CEO of the firm would come over and drink on my tab. I'd just look at him from across the bar and say, "Are you fucking kidding me?" and he'd grin and order another drink. God, I worked with some fucking asshats at that place.

12/20/11

that's insane that the place didn't drop the cover or the charge for water... blacklist.

On another note - that's some pretty solid work right there.

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Go out with a client for drinks, run up a decent tab and don't tip. See how that works out for you.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Go out with a client for drinks, run up a decent tab and don't tip. See how that works out for you.

Ok but now you're talking about something related to work. Not just a night out with friends.

If it is part of work, tipping will be part of a 'strategy' to 'seduce' the client. Not because the waitresses/bartenders make 3 bucks an hour.

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11
happypantsmcgee:

Also you can best your sweet ass these dudes were treated like fucking kings that night.

Yeah, I can tell that by the way they were still charged cover. More power to these guys for going big, but they probably weren't treated *that* well.

In reply to Edmundo Braverman
12/20/11
Edmundo Braverman:

IP,

I had a tradition at my commodities firm where we'd knock off at the market close on Fridays and I'd go to the bar across the street and open a tab for everyone for a couple hours. Invariably, this one douchebag in the office who didn't drink would come over and want to put a meal on the tab. This was a guy who made good money, too.

"But Eddie, you know I don't drink. It's not fair."

"Fuck fair, Jeff. I opened a drinking tab, and it's for anyone who wants to drink. It's not my fault that you're some kind of fucking health nut that doesn't drink. Buy your own fucking pizza."

The nerve of some people.

That wasn't even the worst, though. There were a few times the CEO of the firm would come over and drink on my tab. I'd just look at him from across the bar and say, "Are you fucking kidding me?" and he'd grin and order another drink. God, I worked with some fucking asshats at that place.

Yeah. I specifically asked the waitress to NOT put any food or cocktail orders on my tab. Just $7 bottles, drafts and non-alcoholic drinks. She was good enough to do that for me. I am here to get inebriated with my friends and remember good times (Yes, quants are lightweights and get drunk after ~4 16 oz bar pours as Frieds will attest). Not to buy people dinner. $400 back in Illinois is enough to buy a used car in some places, and I am not going to turn it into $600 so Larry can order a $20 Shepherd's pie and Tom can order a $12 gin-n-tonic.

In reply to Edmundo Braverman
12/20/11
Edmundo Braverman:
GoodBread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jso8PTuoLfw

Diddy does so much to promote his vodka, yet Justin Timberlake does nothing to promote his tequila. Enjoy

http://www.linkedin.com/in/justinbiel

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Go out with a client for drinks, run up a decent tab and don't tip. See how that works out for you.

Ok but now you're talking about something related to work. Not just a night out with friends.

If it is part of work, tipping will be part of a 'strategy' to 'seduce' the client. Not because the waitresses/bartenders make 3 bucks an hour.

You're a scumbag and your friends probably are too.

For what it's worth, the bartender figured you out before you even sat down, and got your girlfriend's phone number while you weren't looking. Your type also gets flagged pretty quickly, just in case you try to "network". Also, consider that some people do the job for legit reasons...sometimes pissing on the little guy will come back to haunt you.

Let me reiterate: you're a scumbag.

Get busy living

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Go out with a client for drinks, run up a decent tab and don't tip. See how that works out for you.

You have to explain your logic here. If you tip because the waitress gets a low salary, then I really don't understand why you should tip higher when you spend more? The salary of the waitress stays the same and the service you receive does not change either (or at least not proportionally to the amount you spend).

Also, from most posts on this site I assume you are against fixed minimum wages. Why are you then for mandatory tips? Wouldn't it be way easier to make it mandatory that they receive higher salaries?

In reply to atleastimnotabanker
12/20/11
atleastimnotabanker:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Go out with a client for drinks, run up a decent tab and don't tip. See how that works out for you.

You have to explain your logic here. If you tip because the waitress gets a low salary, then I really don't understand why you should tip higher when you spend more? The salary of the waitress stays the same and the service you receive does not change either (or at least not proportionally to the amount you spend).

Also, from most posts on this site I assume you are against fixed minimum wages. Why are you then for mandatory tips? Wouldn't it be way easier to make it mandatory that they receive higher salaries?

It's not 'mandatory', it's just good manners...like chewing with your mouth closed, or not scratching your balls in public. Servers are taxed on projected earnings based on their sales for the night: if you don't tip, they can theoretically lose money because of you. The system is NOT run in favor of people who work these jobs, please don't add to the problem.

Get busy living

12/20/11

^ she is bringing more shit over. if you want to tip 10% on a big check rather than 15% that's fine. but having waited tables for just one night in my life i gained a whole new appreciation for civil tipping behavior and a lot of loathing for cheap bastards.

12/20/11

I love going back to Illinois. In NYC, 18-20% is customary; in IL/WI, 15% is customary.

I am all for leaving a good tip, but I want to punch people when folks start saying you must always leave 20%. Tip inflation has gotten ridiculous. 15 years ago, 10-15% was the norm. Now it seems to increasingly be 20%. Eventually it will crawl up to 25%. People work very hard to earn this money and prepare your food, but at some point, enough is enough.

I was at the grocery store and the checkout line had a Merry Christmas sign and a tip jar. Are you f***ing joking??? That does it, I am doing all of my groceries via Amazon and FedEx. If the delivery guy starts asking for tips, I will move to a post office box.

-Tip your barber.
-Tip your taxicab driver.
-Tip your bartender/waiter/waitress.
-Tip your doorman (for exceptional service).
-Tip the airport workers if they push your wheelchair (apparently there was a newspaper article that they make less than minimum wage and work for tips.)

And don't go above 20%.

-Don't tip your mail carrier.
-Don't tip at a fast food place where you get counter service.
-Don't tip your grocery checkout person. (I am honestly thinking of being the douche who asks whether the money in the jar is being raised for the Salvation Army, Feeding America, or the Red Cross.)

12/20/11

Wow, thinking of writing a "restaurant / bar tipping" post to explain it. Seems like the upper crust is having a hard time understanding the shitty system they set up.

Get busy living

12/20/11

I was out in a very 'prestigious' club this past weekend. My girlfriend got hit on buy some guys and asked to go to their table. She of course said yes ( No way in hell I am dropping $20 a drink w/ a splash of alcochol in it if I dont have to, so I ask her nicely to accept any drinks from guys and throw them my way). She then proceeded to the table and mentions "oh btw this is my bf, he is coming too". The guys were like 'ohkay fucker w/e" and proceeded to the table. All of the guys at the table were guys in high finance (IB/PE/AM guys).

I was embarrassed for the industry that night. The were 'balling' by throwing out for $1000 bottles of Grey Goose but every girl there was like "these guys are fucking losers". Guys were wearing V necks and open shirts down to their belly buttons. Thinking they were the shit, but really not one girl was actually attracted or interested in them other then to get free drinks.

So a little advice to you all: Do not try to act like you are a baller when you are not. Go out and drop money for your friends and have a good time, dont go out and throw down $1000's per bottle to impress chicks that think you are geeks and using you. If you studied all the time in college and never saw the point of going out, then you are probably a geek and thus throwing down $1000 per bottle isn't going to help to hide your geekiness. Play that geekiness shit up instead, and save some money.

12/20/11

I'm so glad I'm from a country where waiters get a decent salary and if you tip you really show appreciation and receive a smile in return.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
12/20/11

comment deleted

Get busy living

12/20/11

This is the part where you tip the guy who helped you out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52bte5Zrcys

In reply to UFOinsider
12/20/11
UFOinsider:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Go out with a client for drinks, run up a decent tab and don't tip. See how that works out for you.

Ok but now you're talking about something related to work. Not just a night out with friends.

If it is part of work, tipping will be part of a 'strategy' to 'seduce' the client. Not because the waitresses/bartenders make 3 bucks an hour.

You're a scumbag and your friends probably are too.

For what it's worth, the bartender figured you out before you even sat down, and got your girlfriend's phone number while you weren't looking. Your type also gets flagged pretty quickly, just in case you try to "network". Also, consider that some people do the job for legit reasons...sometimes pissing on the little guy will come back to haunt you.

Let me reiterate: you're a scumbag.

Look, I laid out arguments and you get back at me with personal attacks.

Try again.

In reply to atleastimnotabanker
12/20/11
In reply to atleastimnotabanker
12/20/11

[/quote]
You have to explain your logic here. If you tip because the waitress gets a low salary, then I really don't understand why you should tip higher when you spend more? The salary of the waitress stays the same and the service you receive does not change either (or at least not proportionally to the amount you spend).

Also, from most posts on this site I assume you are against fixed minimum wages. Why are you then for mandatory tips? Wouldn't it be way easier to make it mandatory that they receive higher salaries?[/quote]
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I'm not for mandatory tips. Where have I said that?

My point is that it shouldn't be mandatory. The governement screwed up this industry with all sorts of taxes and regulations and then forces me to pay a tip to try to correct his mistakes.

In other words, politicians wants to make me pay more so they can keep their jobs. Not gonna happen.

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:

My point is that it shouldn't be mandatory. The governement screwed up this industry with all sorts of taxes and regulations and then forces me to pay a tip to try to correct his mistakes.

In other words, politicians wants to make me pay more so they can keep their jobs. Not gonna happen.

Please stop talking, you are ignorant and sound ridiculous. And please, go punch yourself in the face.

Be sure to film and post here, I need a good laugh.

Get busy living

12/20/11

Wow, thinking of writing a "restaurant / bar tipping" post to explain it. Seems like the upper crust is having a hard time understanding the shitty system they set up.

At a manhattan restaurant at $25/seat, a 20% tip works out to $20 for a table of four over the course of 60-90 minutes. That's not bad money at all for indoor work. When I was 18, I was working at a summer camp carrying huge tree trunks around for fires for minimum wage.

Yes, there is a complicated point of sale system that stuff needs to be entered into. That's not up to the customer. We never chose to move beyond paper and pencil checks.

Yes, sometimes there's not enough work. That's not up to the customer. And some of us stay home and eat out less when tips move from 15% to 20%.

Yes, you make less than minimum wage before tips. It's not that hard to make three or four times minimum wage just from tips when you're getting 15-20% on $25/plate and $7/pour. And that's AFTER self-employment tax.

Yes, sometimes your employer screws you. You've got recourse against him via the NY Department of Labor. When we go to a restaurant, we assume they're operating by the book if they're still open.

If you want more than 20%, fine. If you claim "If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out," fine. But then I'm not eating out. And I suspect half the city will boycott and cook at home, too. What will happen then? Wouldn't it just be easier to keep anonymously reporting employers who violate laws on wages for tipped employees and force prices up 5%?

There is plenty of money to be made- ESPECIALLY in NYC- off of 15-20% tips. Worse, about two thirds of the folks I know laugh about getting paid their tips under the table.

Waiters and waitresses make pretty darned good money for folks without a college degree. A tip IMHO is a practically required component of a sit-down meal, but I'm sick and tired of tip inflation. 20% is where it stops with me. If you want more than 20%, I'm staying home. If you want tips for working a checkout line, I'm buying from Amazon. If I have to tip the delivery guy, I will give serious thought to planting my own garden.

In reply to UFOinsider
12/20/11
UFOinsider:
Abdel:

My point is that it shouldn't be mandatory. The governement screwed up this industry with all sorts of taxes and regulations and then forces me to pay a tip to try to correct his mistakes.

In other words, politicians wants to make me pay more so they can keep their jobs. Not gonna happen.

Please stop talking, you are ignorant and sound ridiculous. And please, go punch yourself in the face.

Be sure to film and post here, I need a good laugh.

If what I'm saying is ridiculous, then enlighten me with your superior arguments.

12/20/11

The idea that you think tiping is optional is utterly ridiculous.

They are paid 3 bucks an hour precisely BECAUSE tipping is a generally accepted way to compensate servers. You have to be kidding me with this shit.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

12/20/11

Absolutely epic

In reply to WestCoastDeveloper
12/20/11
Nobama88:

I was out in a very 'prestigious' club this past weekend. My girlfriend got hit on buy some guys and asked to go to their table. She of course said yes ( No way in hell I am dropping $20 a drink w/ a splash of alcochol in it if I dont have to, so I ask her nicely to accept any drinks from guys and throw them my way). She then proceeded to the table and mentions "oh btw this is my bf, he is coming too". The guys were like 'ohkay fucker w/e" and proceeded to the table. All of the guys at the table were guys in high finance (IB/PE/AM guys).

I was embarrassed for the industry that night. The were 'balling' by throwing out for $1000 bottles of Grey Goose but every girl there was like "these guys are fucking losers". Guys were wearing V necks and open shirts down to their belly buttons. Thinking they were the shit, but really not one girl was actually attracted or interested in them other then to get free drinks.

So a little advice to you all: Do not try to act like you are a baller when you are not. Go out and drop money for your friends and have a good time, dont go out and throw down $1000's per bottle to impress chicks that think you are geeks and using you. If you studied all the time in college and never saw the point of going out, then you are probably a geek and thus throwing down $1000 per bottle isn't going to help to hide your geekiness. Play that geekiness shit up instead, and save some money.

wtf you joined a guys table w/ ur gf...thats against the bro code...."never party with v neck wearing douches"

its always easy to spot the assholes in a club. They are loud, inviting random chicks over and popping bottles while standing on tables..party hard w/ your friends..and dont buy some random slut drinks..tbh.. i am too old for clubs...its littered w/ pretentious pricks..call me old fashioned but i enjoy my johnny blue at a small gathering

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:

If what I'm saying is ridiculous, then enlighten me with your superior arguments.

A lot of waiters and waitresses don't earn hourly pay. They work for tips. You don't get something for nothing, so you have to pay for it in terms of a tip.

This is significantly different than continental Europe where the waiters are all salaried and make good money prior to the nominal tips left. In Europe, a 5% tip is customary; in the US, 15-20% is customary.

12/20/11

I'm not saying 20% is always warranted but leaving zero makes you fucking garbage.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

12/20/11

I think a lot of folks sound ridiculous.

One person is an idiot for not realizing waiters/waitresses make less than minimum wage and largely work for tips.

One person sounds like the angry guy from the waiter rant blog. You think you are entitled to 25% of the value of the meal simply for taking the order and bringing it out? Great, then I am entitled to $1 million/year. Yes, you're entitled to something, but customers need to start pushing back on this never-ending tip inflation.

I have a new idea. Let's start leaving 18-20% tips -rounded to 77 cents. That is our signal to the wait staff that the gravy train of customary tip increases over the past 20 years has ended. From now on, we will not be cowed and ranted into leaving more than 20%, so tips will keep up with inflation in the form of menu prices.

If folks still think tips should be higher, we are staying home. Good luck earning 25% on $0.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
12/20/11
IlliniProgrammer:

I think a lot of folks sound ridiculous.

One person is an idiot for not realizing waiters/waitresses make less than minimum wage and largely work for tips.

One person sounds like the buffoon from the waiter rant blog. You think you are entitled to 25% of the value of the meal simply for taking the order and bringing it out? Great, then I am entitled to $1 million/year. Yes, you're entitled to something, but customers need to start pushing back on this never-ending tip-inflation.

I have a new idea. Let's start leaving 18-20% tips -rounded to 77 cents. That is our signal to the wait staff that the gravy train of customary tip increases over the past 20 years has ended. From now on, we will not be cowed and ranted into leaving more, and tips will keep up with inflation in the form of menu prices.

If folks still think tips should be higher, we are staying home. Good luck earning 25% on $0.

No one here is arguing for 25%.

My gripe is with the 0% crowd who take advantage of the system.

Get busy living

12/20/11

Everyone stop stop stop. San Francisco has settled this debate....

They are proposing a 25% tip minimum added to every check in the city. Happy?
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/san-fr...

12/20/11

Tipping is for good service. If they provide good service they get 15%. If they provide great service or are do something special, they get more. I've stiffed one person in my life and she 100% deserved it. If your service sucks, grow a sack and say something. Don't be passive aggressive and don't tip.

Also, the whole reason service in the US is better than elsewhere is BECAUSE we have a tipping system. Foreign people typically take some time to figure this out and are cheap when they are FOB, but usually adjust.

As for the tip with this drink, if you have the money to pay all that money for drinks you should tip appropriately.

12/20/11

On the one hand, I agree with you that Abdal either doesn't understand the system or is being incredibly cheap by routinely undertipping or not tipping.

On the other hand, I'm not sure I would feel horrible about getting a few more European tourists who inadvertently assume 7% is a generous tip to keep tip inflation in line. 15% may be an entitlement. 20% shouldn't be.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
12/20/11
IlliniProgrammer:
Abdel:

If what I'm saying is ridiculous, then enlighten me with your superior arguments.

A lot of waiters and waitresses don't earn hourly pay. They work for tips. You don't get something for nothing, so you have to pay for it in terms of a tip.

This is significantly different than continental Europe where the waiters are all salaried and make good money prior to the nominal tips left. In Europe, a 5% tip is customary; in the US, 15-20% is customary.

o, I didn't know that waiters in the US were not paid at the minimum wage level.

Take notes UFOinsider. That is how you persuade people. With arguments, not with insults.

12/20/11

1) I told you like 30 posts ago that they didn't get minimum wage

2) IlliniProgrammer just called you cheap...

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

12/20/11

Sure, but inadvertently cheap tourists like Abdal are how we keep the customary tip from sliding to 25% in NYC.

So on the one hand, shame, shame, shame on Abdal. On the other hand, thank goodness we've got a few more years before 20% becomes the new 18%.

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11
happypantsmcgee:

1) I told you like 30 posts ago that they didn't get minimum wage

2) IlliniProgrammer just called you cheap...

1) Every place in the world I went to, waiters were paid minimum wage. I thought the US were paying that too (I'm in Canada). So when you were saying 3 bucks an hour, I thought you just wanted to image the low minimum wage in the US (around 7 bucks). Didn't thought it was actually around 3 bucks. lol

2) Well, he said I was either misinformed (wich I was) or very cheap. I'm ok with both. It's ok to be cheap, specially for a college monkey :)

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
12/20/11
IlliniProgrammer:

Sure, but inadvertently cheap tourists like Abdal are how we keep the customary tip from sliding to 25% in NYC.

So on the one hand, shame, shame, shame on Abdal. On the other hand, thank goodness we've got a few more years before 20% becomes the new 18%.

haha

In reply to UFOinsider
12/20/11
UFOinsider:
IlliniProgrammer:

I think a lot of folks sound ridiculous.

One person is an idiot for not realizing waiters/waitresses make less than minimum wage and largely work for tips.

One person sounds like the buffoon from the waiter rant blog. You think you are entitled to 25% of the value of the meal simply for taking the order and bringing it out? Great, then I am entitled to $1 million/year. Yes, you're entitled to something, but customers need to start pushing back on this never-ending tip-inflation.

I have a new idea. Let's start leaving 18-20% tips -rounded to 77 cents. That is our signal to the wait staff that the gravy train of customary tip increases over the past 20 years has ended. From now on, we will not be cowed and ranted into leaving more, and tips will keep up with inflation in the form of menu prices.

If folks still think tips should be higher, we are staying home. Good luck earning 25% on $0.

No one here is arguing for 25%.

My gripe is with the 0% crowd who take advantage of the system.

It's kind of ironic, how people on this forum react.
On one topic, they praise others as geniuses for taking advantage of a flawed system, yet on another topic, they get angry at them...

You sound like the 99% to me, UFO. You just hate a different group of people...

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:

1) I told you like 30 posts ago that they didn't get minimum wage

2) IlliniProgrammer just called you cheap...

1) Every place in the world I went to, waiters were paid minimum wage. I thought the US were paying that too (I'm in Canada). So when you were saying 3 bucks an hour, I thought you just wanted to image the low minimum wage in the US (around 7 bucks). Didn't thought it was actually around 3 bucks. lol

2) Well, he said I was either misinformed (wich I was) or very cheap. I'm ok with both. It's ok to be cheap, specially for a college monkey :)

Canadian guju?

Get busy living

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Or they are bartending to pay for school because they do not have parents who pay and give them an allowance. Your comments are fucking ignorant.

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

In reply to cplpayne
12/20/11
cplpayne:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Or they are bartending to pay for school because they do not have parents who pay and give them an allowance. Your comments are fucking ignorant.

Again, saying that it is ''fucking ignorant'' is not an argument.

The governement is giving out student loans like candies for a reason.

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
cplpayne:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Or they are bartending to pay for school because they do not have parents who pay and give them an allowance. Your comments are fucking ignorant.

Again, saying that it is ''fucking ignorant'' is not an argument.

The governement is giving out student loans like candies for a reason.

HAHAHAHA yea, because taking out more loans than you need has worked out sooo well for so many people. Go to class.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
cplpayne:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Or they are bartending to pay for school because they do not have parents who pay and give them an allowance. Your comments are fucking ignorant.

Again, saying that it is ''fucking ignorant'' is not an argument.

The governement is giving out student loans like candies for a reason.

I'm speechless

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:
cplpayne:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:
Abdel:
wadtk:

I never tip unless the 'tender goes out of his way to make my experience memorable.

Exactly.

If the bartender wants more money, let her go ask her boss for a pay raise.

For a $10k tip , I'd make these bartenders tatoo the name on of firm on their stomach.

If you're dropping 100k then 10k shouldn't be an issue. Stick to your dollar PBR nights and it wont be a problem.

I never understood the logic behind tips. I mean, the bartender is getting paid to serve us. Why do I need to pay her more?

If it was an exceptional service (i.e. I get a massage while I eat/drink) then yes, she deserves a tip.

Do finance working people receive tips from clients?

Most waitresses/bartenders make like 3 bucks an hour and live on tips.

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Or they are bartending to pay for school because they do not have parents who pay and give them an allowance. Your comments are fucking ignorant.

Again, saying that it is ''fucking ignorant'' is not an argument.

The governement is giving out student loans like candies for a reason.

Dude, if you have a question, then ask, but stop wasting everyone's time by playing devil's advocate to common sense. Not everyone gets the loans they need.

Besides, this was a post about balling out and some dudes throwing a party. Why do fucking server/bartender haters like yourself always take the opportunity to be douches?

Shut the fuck up and THINK and LEARN before you speak.

Get busy living

12/20/11

I am going to raise the call to close this thread.

In the meantime, I am going to start advertising gray-market lean cuisine coupons.

12/20/11

I'm completely (and unabashedly) in the "cheap" column when it comes to tipping.

1) The argument that they make less than minimum wage holds no water for me. So you make 3 bucks an hour - how does that equal to 20% from me??? I'll tip and add to your living, but that doesn't mean I have to send your kids to HBS.

2) You don't like working for tips because people are cheap? Should have stayed in high school, kiddo . . . I'm a capitalist, not the fucking United Way.

I don't stiff people but my baseline is 10%. Do really good and I'll consider15%. The only time I go over that is at my country club where 18% is added to every check. I'm not a fan of that, but it's club level service where they know my name and tastes and I like the place.

12/20/11

"Should have stayed in high school?"

What the fuck does that mean? I bartended and waited tables for 4 years in college and a majority of my coworkers were also college students.

In reply to txjustin
12/20/11
txjustin:

"Should have stayed in high school?"

What the fuck does that mean? I bartended and waited tables for 4 years in college and a majority of my coworkers were also college students.

Well, thats good - I had not-so-great jobs in college too. You got the experience and (presumably) moved on to bigger & better things. That doesn't apply to all people in the waitstaff industry. Some people (even at high-end places) have the job because its the only thing they're qualified for. That doesn't mean I have to give them a fat tip every time.

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/20/11

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HAHAHAHA yea, because taking out more loans than you need has worked out sooo well for so many people. Go to class.[/quote]
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Not my fault if people take a 200k loan for a sociology degree.

If the parents did not make the required sacrifices and efforts to study and have a good job, so their kid won't have to suffer; then it is up to the kid sto make those required sacrifices. The gov is there to help them with a loan.

Maybe this is news to you, but life is not fair.

12/20/11

I did not see one commetn in this thread that said anything about mandatory giving of "fat" tips. Most people said 15% if I'm not mistaken.

I got really good experience. I waited on executives day in and day out and made a lot of contacts.

On a side note, waiting tables/bartending while in college is hard to beat money/time wise.

12/20/11

This has turned into a shit show. I'm out.

I paid my own way through school, by the way.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

In reply to UFOinsider
12/20/11

Dude, if you have a question, then ask, but stop wasting everyone's time by playing devil's advocate to common sense. Not everyone gets the loans they need.

Besides, this was a post about balling out and some dudes throwing a party. Why do fucking server/bartender haters like yourself always take the opportunity to be douches?

Shut the fuck up and THINK and LEARN before you speak.[/quote]
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I honestly thought that the US waiters had the minimum wage as in the rest of the world.

And as for your insults, again, they are not arguments, wich means, unnecessary for a healthy debate.

In reply to Abdel
12/20/11
Abdel:

Not my fault if people take a 200k loan for a sociology degree.

Maybe this is news to you, but life is not fair.

I know this is turning into a flame war but FWIW, I'm with you. People are studying the dumbest thing in college and the beauty of capitalism is that competition breeds winner & losers and I'm OK with that.

"Look guys, I'm under stress. I'm working two jobs to put my kid through NYU so that he can explore his bisexuality, graduate and become a DJ"

12/20/11

do you guys tip your ta's? They also get a shitty pay and I personally think the service they provide is far more valuable than getting served in a restaurant.

12/20/11

HEYYY! Anyone want some Lean Cuisine coupons?

How much would you pay for $1 off 2? Some people might pay $3 for this $1 off coupon. But I'm not charging that! It's not $2, it's not $1, it's just fifty cents!

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12/20/11

Waiters bitch and moan all the time despite making good money for a job that doesn't require manual labor or a degree. Waiters absolutely love it that they don't make min wage because then they can cry about how they need 20%+ tips (preferably in cash so they can avoid the IRS). If just making min wage was the goal then a 5% tip would get you there, but then you'd go to the back of the house and cry like a girl about those assholes at your table that you ignored all night.

In reply to GentlemanJack
12/20/11
GentlemanJack:
Abdel:

Not my fault if people take a 200k loan for a sociology degree.

Maybe this is news to you, but life is not fair.

I know this is turning into a flame war but FWIW, I'm with you. People are studying the dumbest thing in college and the beauty of capitalism is that competition breeds winner & losers and I'm OK with that.

"Look guys, I'm under stress. I'm working two jobs to put my kid through NYU so that he can explore his bisexuality, graduate and become a DJ"

Fuck you both. I supported myself and helped my family after I lost a parent...and bartending was one of the few real performance based jobs that allowed me to work my balls off and get through that period of life. Freeloaders and cheapskates really just made that whole period of time more tedious than it had to be, and they had the same shitty attitude as you.

"I'm a capitalist" isn't an excuse to act without decency or manners.

This conversation is over, kill yourself.

Get busy living

In reply to UFOinsider
12/20/11
UFOinsider:

Fuck you both. I supported myself and helped my family after I lost a parent...and bartending was one of the few real performance based jobs that allowed me to work my balls off and get through that period of life. Freeloaders and cheapskates really just made that whole period of time more tedious than it had to be, and they had the same shitty attitude as you.

"I'm a capitalist" isn't an excuse to act without decency or manners.

This conversation is over, kill yourself.

Dude you're taking this WAY too fucking seriously. Chill the fuck out!

Saying "I'm a capitalist" isn't a reflection on my manners or decency. And quite frankly, I don't give a shit what you think about it. I'm not running a charity. You don't like your job, MAKE a way to move to another one. Capitalism is full of opportunities - find another one.

In reply to atleastimnotabanker
12/20/11
atleastimnotabanker:

do you guys tip your ta's? They also get a shitty pay and I personally think the service they provide is far more valuable than getting served in a restaurant.

haha, TAs DO get tips...

In reply to UFOinsider
12/20/11

Fuck you both. I supported myself and helped my family after I lost a parent...and bartending was one of the few real performance based jobs that allowed me to work my balls off and get through that period of life. Freeloaders and cheapskates really just made that whole period of time more tedious than it had to be, and they had the same shitty attitude as you.

"I'm a capitalist" isn't an excuse to act without decency or manners.

This conversation is over, kill yourself.[/quote]

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You're confusing the issues.

For your information, you're not the only one who struggled in life.

You're the one insulting us and telling us at the same time that we act without decency or manners.

12/20/11

Man, everyone bitching about tipping and I am just thinking about how awesome of a night that must of been.

12/20/11

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WE'RE CUTTING PRICES

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Nobody beats The King of Thrift's prices. Nobody

In the meantime, who wants to close this thread?

12/20/11

What is the sodium content on those things. I feel as if they are very unhealthy.

12/20/11

Whats the push to close the thread? If people want to shout back and forth, let them do it. We've had political threads go on for 300+ posts of that. Who cares?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

12/20/11

It (the tip/salary scheme) is what it is. There is nothing you can do to change the system, so act accordingly. I was a waiter in undergrad and often my paychecks would be ~53 cents. They take out the tips you report (which is only CC tips) and can deduct it from your pay if you exceed $2.15 or something like that.

I have heard of some people not tipping the waiter for opening a bottle of wine, which seems similar to this case. All in all, if you don't tip you're a scumbag and you shouldn't be going out to the bar. If it's a problem, grab some beer and stay home.

12/20/11

To the guys above I didn't mean to incite a riot. What Maximus said, I simply assumed that not all 10k would go to the waiter/waiter's. Some to the club some to the bartenders or what have you.

If I dropped 70k I definitely would tip accordingly.

12/20/11

Epic thread

Some advice... Be generous and have a good time with the people around you. It won't last forever.

So if you want to be cheap even though you can afford not to be, go ahead. Just don't be confused about why you always have to fight and struggle for everything you want. People will generally cut you some slack for being poor, but being cheap is a habit people notice and they will make you pay for it especially in business.

Back to the point of the original post, bless these guys for going big. I doubt this tab will be beaten across the pond before year end...

12/20/11

I understand tipping 15-20%, especially for large food orders that require constant service, but would anyone be offended if the marginal tip rate came out to 10% or so?

I mean, what is the difference in bringing out a $1000 bottle or a $20,000 bottle? I don't think your "service" affected the time it took for you to bring that bottle to me. A $250 tip on the $1000 bottle would be great versus on the $20,000 you would look like a cheap POS. Same amount of "service" required. You are literally walking a bottle over to me.

I'm all for tipping competitively and fairly at low-end establishments, and maybe I wouldn't care if I was balling out like these guys, but to somehow say a waiter/waitress "earned" $9000 in tips for a few hours of work is completely ludicrous.

My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.

In reply to aempirei
12/20/11
Spuds:

To the guys above I didn't mean to incite a riot. What Maximus said, I simply assumed that not all 10k would go to the waiter/waiter's. Some to the club some to the bartenders or what have you.

If I dropped 70k I definitely would tip accordingly.

for what it's worth, I was shooting for gallows humor on the first line

but I failed

then I got angry at other people and picked a fight

my bad, sorry, I calmed down

aempirei:

I'm all for tipping competitively and fairly at low-end establishments, and maybe I wouldn't care if I was balling out like these guys, but to somehow say a waiter/waitress "earned" $9000 in tips for a few hours of work is completely ludicrous.

LOL and bankers deserve their high pay in every instance? Look, dropping $30 on dinner and leaving a couple of bucks is fine. People who won't do that are trash, and that's that. But if you throw a $100K party and leave a $500 tip, yes, the waitstaff is still totally doing well that night but it doesn't fit.

(Dennis Miller voice) It's like buying a Lambo and then getting cheap used tires, drilling a hole in the hood for the wire antenna, and installing a busted ass casette deck: people really do look at you and think WTF?

Are you going to go big or not?

The whole point of eating out is to take part in a social reality that involves more than buying beer and pizza and sitting home scratching your balls. Everyone does it, but going out is different. Compensating the service staff is part #1 of the equation. Part #2 is publicly defining yourself: everyone falls on hard times, so be it. I've eaten ramen noodles for months at a stretch, and it made me a better person. But no one likes a miser, they're just not someone you want to party with. And that's all that this whole thing is: just one big party. You have to keep that ball rolling. If people go out and blow a fortune without cutting the servants in on the action, the rich are going to get lynched in the parking lot on the way to their wire antenna Lamborghini. That's not capitalsim, that's life.

(end Dennis Miller voice)

Relinquis:

Back to the point of the original post, bless these guys for going big. I doubt this tab will be beaten across the pond before year end...

My hope is that NYC bankers are going to want to compete...

Get busy living

12/20/11

Thrift is a good thing, but there's places for thrift and there's places for not thrift. I choose to be thrifty by going to dive bars and cheap taco places (EG: Taqueria Lower East Side. Counter-ordered with sit-down service, $2.50 tacos, and $4 cans of Tecate)

But you still leave a 15-20% tip.

If you are thrifty with yourself, it doesn't cost that much to be seen as generous to others. (Unless they find out exactly what's in your bank account.) So it's always good to be more generous with the folks around you than you are with yourself, and try to avoid talking about the exact details of your money with people you know.

If people think I'm a miser for driving my rusty hondas and eating Lean Cuisine dinners at home, fine. But if people think I spend much more on myself than I spend on others relative to the average person, that's when I stop and say "Oh. Maybe I'd better think about that."

12/20/11

UFO, I'd love to collaborate with you on a waiter/bartender tip thread. PM me for my stats on such.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
12/21/11
IlliniProgrammer:

Thrift is a good thing, but there's places for thrift and there's places for not thrift. I choose to be thrifty by going to dive bars and cheap taco places (EG: Taqueria Lower East Side. Counter-ordered with sit-down service, $2.50 tacos, and $4 cans of Tecate)

But you still leave a 15-20% tip.

If you are thrifty with yourself, it doesn't cost that much to be seen as generous to others. (Unless they find out exactly what's in your bank account.) So it's always good to be more generous with the folks around you than you are with yourself, and try to avoid talking about the exact details of your money with people you know.

If people think I'm a miser for driving my rusty hondas and eating Lean Cuisine dinners at home, fine. But if people think I spend much more on myself than I spend on others relative to the average person, that's when I stop and say "Oh. Maybe I'd better think about that."

My man, you are a role model for advocating young professionals to make the most of their money, and for that we salute you.

Get busy living

12/21/11

all they want is some money in their pocket, some skrilla in their wallet

In reply to UFOinsider
12/21/11
UFOinsider:

It's not 'mandatory', it's just good manners...like chewing with your mouth closed, or not scratching your balls in public. Servers are taxed on projected earnings based on their sales for the night: if you don't tip, they can theoretically lose money because of you. The system is NOT run in favor of people who work these jobs, please don't add to the problem.

It's not "good manners", it's a feedback on quality of service.

"Good manners" is treating your waitress, valet, maid or anyone really with respect and consideration, as a human being with a right to privacy, dignity, and inviolability of his/her personal boundaries.
I care to intrude neither on a server's personal life by learning about his/her situation, nor on his/her sovereignty and autonomy by taking a patronizing position stemming from assumption of personal superiority.

It's not my place to count servers' money, to analyze why they don't make more, or to pass judgement on their personality or fit.

I am however entitled to vote with my dollar, and if I get subpar service, I do not leave a tip. Simple. ( but it's not 12.5% for the excellent service; I don't mind leaving 50-100% to a server that added some good energy)

If it's a really expensive place/had a big company, I will give the manager a courtesy of a negative feedback as well - that way the manager can troubleshoot, whether it includes hiring/scheduling more staff, training the staff better, or firing a habitual under-performer.

Servers get taxed on 10% of a meal sold. If it's a good server, an occasional bad service or an occasional bad customer would have negligible effect on the bottom line, but if it's a shitty server, he/she would be consistently liable to pay tax on more than he/she earned, and hopefully that will send a clear message he/she does not have the people skills to be a server.

There's no reason for somebody who doesn't like people and calls customers "cheap bastards" to be in the service industry, just like there's no reason for somebody who hates exercise to be in sports, or for somebody who hates numbers to be in a technical profession.

More is good, all is better

In reply to WestCoastDeveloper
12/21/11
Nobama88:

I was out in a very 'prestigious' club this past weekend. My girlfriend got hit on buy some guys and asked to go to their table. She of course said yes ( No way in hell I am dropping $20 a drink w/ a splash of alcochol in it if I dont have to, so I ask her nicely to accept any drinks from guys and throw them my way). She then proceeded to the table and mentions "oh btw this is my bf, he is coming too". The guys were like 'ohkay fucker w/e" and proceeded to the table. All of the guys at the table were guys in high finance (IB/PE/AM guys).

I was embarrassed for the industry that night. The were 'balling' by throwing out for $1000 bottles of Grey Goose but every girl there was like "these guys are fucking losers". Guys were wearing V necks and open shirts down to their belly buttons. Thinking they were the shit, but really not one girl was actually attracted or interested in them other then to get free drinks.

So a little advice to you all: Do not try to act like you are a baller when you are not. Go out and drop money for your friends and have a good time, dont go out and throw down $1000's per bottle to impress chicks that think you are geeks and using you. If you studied all the time in college and never saw the point of going out, then you are probably a geek and thus throwing down $1000 per bottle isn't going to help to hide your geekiness. Play that geekiness shit up instead, and save some money.

and if you didn't study in college, then you end up a broke loser pimping out his gf for a free drink

More is good, all is better

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
12/21/11
IlliniProgrammer:

-Tip your barber.

ALWAYS tip your barber, the power to make you look like shit for at least a month is in his hands.

More is good, all is better

In reply to Abdel
12/21/11
Abdel:
happypantsmcgee:

1) I told you like 30 posts ago that they didn't get minimum wage

2) IlliniProgrammer just called you cheap...

1) Every place in the world I went to, waiters were paid minimum wage. I thought the US were paying that too (I'm in Canada). So when you were saying 3 bucks an hour, I thought you just wanted to image the low minimum wage in the US (around 7 bucks). Didn't thought it was actually around 3 bucks. lol

2) Well, he said I was either misinformed (wich I was) or very cheap. I'm ok with both. It's ok to be cheap, specially for a college monkey :)

Most places do pay at least a minimum wage. The $3/hour base is at places like Applebee's and Chili's.

Nice restaurants generally pay a livable base salary and provide full-time employment and benefits. Bartenders and restaurant/room delivery servers at pretty much any W hotel make more than a first year monkey.

More is good, all is better

In reply to cplpayne
12/21/11
cplpayne:
Abdel:

Well, why didn't they make the necessary efforts/sacrifice to study harder so they can have a better paying job?

These bartenders are probably the same girls that spent their time in high school partying, drinking and pissing off nerds like me.

My point is, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Or they are bartending to pay for school because they do not have parents who pay and give them an allowance. Your comments are fucking ignorant.

Why are his comments ignorant? Or bartending to pay for school somehow precludes the bartender from partying?

More is good, all is better

In reply to UFOinsider
12/21/11
UFOinsider:
GentlemanJack:
Abdel:

Not my fault if people take a 200k loan for a sociology degree.

Maybe this is news to you, but life is not fair.

I know this is turning into a flame war but FWIW, I'm with you. People are studying the dumbest thing in college and the beauty of capitalism is that competition breeds winner & losers and I'm OK with that.

"Look guys, I'm under stress. I'm working two jobs to put my kid through NYU so that he can explore his bisexuality, graduate and become a DJ"

Fuck you both. I supported myself and helped my family after I lost a parent...and bartending was one of the few real performance based jobs that allowed me to work my balls off and get through that period of life. Freeloaders and cheapskates really just made that whole period of time more tedious than it had to be, and they had the same shitty attitude as you.

"I'm a capitalist" isn't an excuse to act without decency or manners.

This conversation is over, kill yourself.

Could it be that you encountered such a high percentage of "freeloaders and cheapskates" because you provided subpar service?

More is good, all is better

12/21/11

WHAT A CLUSTERFUCK DERAIL THANKS GUYS

12/21/11

OKAY this thread has gone shit off topic.

Lets continue the shitshow though. I will preface my comment by saying I always leave a tip.

However, I really don't understand the attitudes of some waiters/bartenders. Just because you are providing a service, doesn't mean you are automatically entitled a 20% tip. That's why it's called a TIP; you fucking provide it as a form of gratitude to your host.

If you provide shitty service, you are NOT entitled 20%. This could be of no fault of your own: the food is cold, restaurant is too busy, the amigos in the kitchen got deported, who gives a fuck. And if you try to upsell me for instance bringing Evian when I clearly ask for glass of water or writing "Thank You" over the Service Charge line so I don't see that gratuity has been added (Yes I've seen it done), you are NOT getting 20%. Simple.

In reply to Argonaut
12/21/11
Argonaut:
Nobama88:

I was out in a very 'prestigious' club this past weekend. My girlfriend got hit on buy some guys and asked to go to their table. She of course said yes ( No way in hell I am dropping $20 a drink w/ a splash of alcochol in it if I dont have to, so I ask her nicely to accept any drinks from guys and throw them my way). She then proceeded to the table and mentions "oh btw this is my bf, he is coming too". The guys were like 'ohkay fucker w/e" and proceeded to the table. All of the guys at the table were guys in high finance (IB/PE/AM guys).

I was embarrassed for the industry that night. The were 'balling' by throwing out for $1000 bottles of Grey Goose but every girl there was like "these guys are fucking losers". Guys were wearing V necks and open shirts down to their belly buttons. Thinking they were the shit, but really not one girl was actually attracted or interested in them other then to get free drinks.

So a little advice to you all: Do not try to act like you are a baller when you are not. Go out and drop money for your friends and have a good time, dont go out and throw down $1000's per bottle to impress chicks that think you are geeks and using you. If you studied all the time in college and never saw the point of going out, then you are probably a geek and thus throwing down $1000 per bottle isn't going to help to hide your geekiness. Play that geekiness shit up instead, and save some money.

and if you didn't study in college, then you end up a broke loser pimping out his gf for a free drink

lol, U Jelly Bro? Mad I took all of your alcohol and called you out on looking like a fool?

12/21/11

Come on guys, you'd figure this would be the one place there would be sympathy for an incentive comp structure.

For comparison:
- job consists of doing bitchwork and grunt work than any monkey can handle
- you spend the entire day kissing ass to boss and clients that you'll likely never see again
- you're highly reliant on the backoffice to produce the correct deliverables for clients, and you take the fall if its not done right
- you do a bunch of bitchwork up front, put on the smile, and hope you get to see a decent payday on the backend

12/21/11

Argo, I worked at a mid level restaurant during college and had many friends that were waiters/bartenders at low to fine dining. All servers were paid waiter minimum wage.

In reply to WestCoastDeveloper
12/21/11
Nobama88:

I was out in a very 'prestigious' club this past weekend. My girlfriend got hit on buy some guys and asked to go to their table. She of course said yes ( No way in hell I am dropping $20 a drink w/ a splash of alcochol in it if I dont have to, so I ask her nicely to accept any drinks from guys and throw them my way). She then proceeded to the table and mentions "oh btw this is my bf, he is coming too". The guys were like 'ohkay fucker w/e" and proceeded to the table. All of the guys at the table were guys in high finance (IB/PE/AM guys).

I was embarrassed for the industry that night. The were 'balling' by throwing out for $1000 bottles of Grey Goose but every girl there was like "these guys are fucking losers". Guys were wearing V necks and open shirts down to their belly buttons. Thinking they were the shit, but really not one girl was actually attracted or interested in them other then to get free drinks.

So a little advice to you all: Do not try to act like you are a baller when you are not. Go out and drop money for your friends and have a good time, dont go out and throw down $1000's per bottle to impress chicks that think you are geeks and using you. If you studied all the time in college and never saw the point of going out, then you are probably a geek and thus throwing down $1000 per bottle isn't going to help to hide your geekiness. Play that geekiness shit up instead, and save some money.

Excellent post. Sorry for your encounter that night. I feel you.

In reply to Argonaut
12/21/11
Argonaut:

Bartenders and restaurant/room delivery servers at pretty much any W hotel make more than a first year monkey.

This is a ridiculous statement. Please provide some sort of proof to back it up. I'm pretty sure you don't have any.

In reply to WestCoastDeveloper
12/21/11
Nobama88:
Argonaut:

and if you didn't study in college, then you end up a broke loser pimping out his gf for a free drink

lol, U Jelly Bro? Mad I took all of your alcohol and called you out on looking like a fool?

I doubt your gf would get invited to my table on her own merit, but I would find the interaction of a total beta and his female pretty fascinating. I'm sure you would also start feeling uncomfortable and attempt to assert you "status" - that could be downright hilarious

More is good, all is better

In reply to bankbank
12/21/11
bankbank:
Argonaut:

Bartenders and restaurant/room delivery servers at pretty much any W hotel make more than a first year monkey.

This is a ridiculous statement. Please provide some sort of proof to back it up. I'm pretty sure you don't have any.

Maybe you can scrape up for a night's stay and go check it out.

More is good, all is better

12/21/11

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU CLAYHEADS DO TO MY THREAD???

12/21/11

What's the european equivalent to our 15-20%?

12/21/11
In reply to Edmundo Braverman
12/21/11
Edmundo Braverman:

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU CLAYHEADS DO TO MY THREAD???

Seriously, this isn't a thread that's supposed to be about thrift, but about wild extravagence and excess finally returning to Wall Street.

In reply to GreenwichForLife
12/21/11
GreenwichForLife:

What's the european equivalent to our 15-20%?

Country-dependant. However in most non Anglo-Saxon countries, tip is included and there's not really any expectation as far as tips go. However a low-key (sub 30 euros a plate) meal at a restaurant would usually get a tip of a couple euros. The more you ball out, the higher a tip you'll usually give but there's no set rules. 10% if you're feeling really generous and are eating at a really nice place (100+ euros a plate).

In reply to Edmundo Braverman
12/21/11
Edmundo Braverman:

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU CLAYHEADS DO TO MY THREAD???

EB never post the following topics:

-Politics
-Religion
-Taxes

and now...Gratuity

i guess a lot of monkeys worked in bars and you're article may have unintentionally struck a chord for the plight of their bartender brethren hahhaha

In reply to GreenwichForLife
12/21/11
GreenwichForLife:

What's the european equivalent to our 15-20%?

If you get charged by the service like these guys, you generally don't leave anything. If I get charged 5% (very rare, generally it's 10% or 15%) I might leave something more if the waiter was really good.
If you're not charged, then it varies by country, but I'd say it generally is around 5% for a good service, 10% for a really awesome one. I'm talking about dinner at a decent place (say 30 euros per person)
Like I said before, waiters here don't live on tips like in the US, their regular salary is decent already, so it's sort of priced in the meal. Tips really are just an extra for good service.

12/21/11

Had a EU130 bar tab tonight and I left EU10 for the tip. That's on the generous side for Paris (where a service charge is already added in).

In reply to Edmundo Braverman
12/21/11
Edmundo Braverman:

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU CLAYHEADS DO TO MY THREAD???

Hey Eddie, you better shut up before I stir your drink with my dick.

You better tip me 20% fucker

In reply to txjustin
12/21/11
txjustin:
Edmundo Braverman:

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU CLAYHEADS DO TO MY THREAD???

Hey Eddie, you better shut up before I stir your drink with my dick.

You better tip me 20% fucker

enjoy the liberty of anonymity shitbag

In reply to Edmundo Braverman
12/21/11
Edmundo Braverman:

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU CLAYHEADS DO TO MY THREAD???

Dunno, I stopped reading on page 2; just wanted to say that's a big bill and nice tip and I always had excellent, personalised services at the bar I usually go so that's worth 20% tip.

A.L.

12/22/11

I love all you guys

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

12/23/11

I guess they must have fought for that 6 bottles of water

In reply to happypantsmcgee
12/23/11
happypantsmcgee:

2) IlliniProgrammer just called you cheap...

Out of the entire thread this made me laugh the most

Leadership can be defined in two words: "Follow Me"

In reply to go.with.the.flow
12/23/11
go.with.the.flow:
txjustin:
Edmundo Braverman:

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU CLAYHEADS DO TO MY THREAD???

Hey Eddie, you better shut up before I stir your drink with my dick.

You better tip me 20% fucker

enjoy the liberty of anonymity shitbag

condescending tone = joke

I'm not a bartender....shitbag

12/24/11

Who would buy Ciroc, if I were going to blow 100K+ I'd definitely get Goose.

12/24/11

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