Transfer GPA on resume
I transfered from a CC to an ivy my sophomore year. When applying for full time S&T positions next fall, would it be permissible to average my two gpa into a "cumulative GPA" section?
Ex. XYZ CC GPA = 3.8
Ivy GPA = 3.4
I would then proceed to weight the two, average them, and write cumulative GPA on my resume in the education section under my current institution.
No.
Why? They are both my GPAs and the operative word here is cumulative.
An official transcript will be requested as part of the background check. How is your GPA recorded now on unofficial transcript? Check with your career center.
If you show a differnt gpa on your resume than what will be on the transcript--it will most likely raise a red flag.
I would submit both transcripts during the submission period. Plus my official transcript doesn't list my GPA. My CC offcial does.
And your intention would be to use your transfer GPA to make your GPA at your current institution higher.
Again....no.
When you list the two colleges on your resume, you should note the GPA at each.
Since you are not referring to this previous school anywhere else on your resume why the hell do you think you can sneak it's higher GPA into your cumulative GPA?
By looking at your resume a recruiter has no idea that you transferred schools and previously attended a community college. He believes your cumulative GPA is based on all classes taken at your current school.
You know what to do, you are just trying to find a reason on how you can improve your GPA. This is not the way do it.
No. My intention would be to show my cumulative GPA.
I think the averaging of the GPA is a reference to your prior school...
Okay. So it is ethtically questionable. However, it is not lying. That is my cumulative GPA. I can't be fired, as I never lied.
Uh, yes it is lying. The definition of lying is: "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive."
Let's see, you want showing a GPA for your current school that isn't the GPA that you earned. You want to misrepresent your GPA to make it higher when you show someone your resume.
That's lying.
Oh, and btw, you can be fired. For anything.
Alright F. Lee Bailey. I am not making a false statement, for my cumulative gpa is indeed that.
Not listing your previous school is a bit outrageous. Let's say you're graduating in 2008, and you attended school ABC from '04-'05, and school XYZ from '05-'08. Your resume should list the dates spent at your current school. In an interview, here's how it might play out:
Interviewer: I see you only started college in 2005. Are you graduating early?
You: No, I attended another college before this one.
Interviewer: Then why isn't that on your resume?
This is not a path you want to go down.
My fucking ivy leage career office is not wrong. I can assure you that much, boss.
even though it seems like what you don't want to hear, I'll also advise you to list the GPAs separately.
When computing your cumulative GPA, include your high school coursework as well. You can always argue that the AP classes are college level, and should count toward your "cumulative GPA."
because you will not be hired. Offer rescinded.
Your GPA will be on your transcript. You need to sign a release of info waiver.
When HR gets your official transcripts, and sees that you got a 3.4 at your current school when they really thought you had a 3.7, your offer will probably be rescinded. They don't ask for your transcripts just for fun, they actually do get looked at.
Realize that if you do get an offer rescinded for this kind of thing, your career on Wall Street will be over.
Okay. You two are done. Save the room for some other respondants. Thanks.
Try whining to them when your offer is rescinded, kid.
Jeez bud, you seem set on boosting your GPA that way, why bother asking us for advice then?
Okay, gaylord. As if this target ivy has never sent kids into IB.
it's not hawkish...these are ppl in the business trying to give you advice, and it seems like you won't listen to anything other than: "Sure thing I think it's a great idea!"
Listen to what they're saying...it might not be technically lying, but you can rest assured that most banks won't look at it positively. Maybe you're right and it won't matter but you absolutely WILL be taking the risk that they'll rescind your offer when they find out what you neglected to tell them.
You have two cumulative gpas in two different schools, list two
You know what this reminds me of? Enron.
"We want to recognize the revenue from this project, but we don't want to recognize the expenses incurred with it or show the massive amounts of debt behind it. How do we do that?
Blank stares. Silence.
"Let's put the debt and expenses on an off-balance sheet item."
"Brilliant."
Good one....maybe law school is a better choice for this chap.........and at his target ivy.
BTW...What ivy is not a target?
dude, just dont do it
http://www.ibankingoasis.com/node/4753
A guy that actually works in IB says it is okay.
hate to point out the obvious here, but that guy's GPA went from a 3.62 to a 3.7. .08 points is nowhere as significant as 4 whole tenths of a point. Plus everybody knows CC is cake. If they find out you're using it to boost your GPA that much, I guarantee SOMEBODY is gonna be pissed.
If your resume only shows your current school, I would advise listing only your current school GPA.
I was in a similiar situation.
I transferred from school X to school Y.
My gpa at X was 3.1 my gpa at Y was 3.7
I only listed School Y info and GPA. I had no problems after I sent my resume in.
Also, the fact that you're attempting to make your gpa look high by factoring in grades from a COMMUNITY COLLEGE will be highly looked down on.
Since you're just looking for someone to tell you it's okay, I'll just say it. There is no problem with blending the two GPAs.
I did the same thing, granted including the transfer gpa in my cumulative only raised it by less than .1. You've got to realize that people are including summer classes, semesters abroad, and God knows what else in there. It's a matter of degree as well. Like I said, my inclusion only raised it by less than .1, I doubt this will be a big deal. If I had been averaging a 4.0 and a 2.0 to come up with a 3.0, they might have reason to kick me out, but .1? Like the kid said, they key word here is "cumulative", and my top shelf target career office says cumulative can inlclude all your college classes. Lehman specifically asked for "cumulative" GPA because they know kids take their hardest classes over the summer so it wont effect their GPA. It's the kid's choice, if he chooses to list cumulative, let it be, it's his choice. As long as they're both relatively similar I don't think it will be a problem unless it's creating some drastically different number. Do you really think they are going to fire a kid who has made it through multiple interviews, training, and weeks on the job because he listed a cumulative GPA instead of just a normal one?
From Daniel T Bush. Who actually works in IB. http://www.ibankingoasis.com/user/3599
"here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible: 1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more 2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."
LOL!
I'm not sure Danny Bush has the greatest reputation here. He's been deleted like 5 times..I don't think you want to take advice from him.
big difference between taking a couple summer classes and a couple semesters.
speaking of all this GPA crap.. I studied abroad at an external program, my home school counted the courses towards graduation but not towards the GPA, I got a 4.0 abroad does that count or do I just go by the degree audit like I have been?
I really doubt they scrutinize this as much as we are here. Let's consider an example. Kid A gets a BB offer in September, chooses to hang loose the rest of his senior year. When its time to report his transcript when they do back up checks, theres going to be some serious descrepancy between the two. Also, kids might have a tough semester before they summer, I'm sure different GPA's pop up all the time. As long as they are ball park similar, I dont think any of the HR folks have either the time or inclination to go nit picking. Has anyone EVER heard of anyone (besides that Brit who upgraded from 3.0 to 4.0, lol) getting canned for anything like this? I sure as hell haven't.
Just go ahead and do it if that's what you want to do... we all really don't care
This is an intriguing topic. Has anyone out there ever heard of someone gettting fired/offer rescinded for this? Or even GPA inflation in general? Or let's even go broader, does anyone know of anybody who has been fired for, shall we say, "resume ambiguities?
that is so fucking stupid.. I'm so happy I just read that, thank you jackdole... its a good day now
did you do good in highschool? maybe average that GPA in too.
Wow! They really fucked up letting you in.
It's not that it's bad; my point was that Ivy's admit transfer students that they are almost positive will excel at the university, not kids that will come in and be average. To this end, they fucked up letting you in.
Nobody let anybody into anything, the kid just wants to know what the deal is. It seems to me, if it's only a minor difference, i.e. change of .1 or thereabout, it's no big deal, especially considering most people's GPA can dip by even more than that in one semester.
Obviously, I don't know if putting a change of .4 will fly unless you make in clear in the resume what the components are, but something minor like .1 shouldn't be a problem. BTW, referring to the above post, does anybody know anyone let go/offer rescinded for something like this?
Really? I was referring to the Ivy admitting him as a transfer, whereupon he completely dropped the ball.
you will get your sa offer rescinded FOR SURE. unless you list cumulative gpa as a section by itself and not under your current university, that is lying, and regardless of what you think, that is what hr will think. if you are asking the question just to get affirmation, then stop asking. the truth is you will either get offer rescinded or dinged during interviews.
All asshole-ish behavior aside, you should not take that chance. If you attended the CC for a full year, you should probably disclose that. I think most of the people on here are correct in saying that when HR gets your transcript and the numbers don't add up, you will probably be up shit creek. In the end, it depends on how you want to weight it I guess. As long as you don't push the .1 bounday too much, you MIGHT be ok. If I were you, I wouldn't take that chance though.
great, and what school do you attend?
White, when you told the kid that "ANY" type of GPA combination, without the proper "cumulative" tag, is "FOR SURE" tantamount to a rescind, do you have any particular experience that you are drawing on to make such an absolute assertion? I'm curious because we have talked at great lengths on this board as to what one can and can't get away with, in terms of resume "puffery" (mainly GPA, work experience and descriptions, etc.)
However, save that loony bloke from Britain who foolish bumped his GPA from 3.0 to 4.0, nobody seems to know anybody who has suffered any repercussions for these type of "exagerations" Where are you getting your information from to draw such a definitive line in the sand?
I know of 1 person who has gotten their offer rescinded and another who was refused a ft offer after their summer because of the reason, which essentially killed his opportunities the next summer. Sure, people on this board have mentioned rounding up your gpa - that is not particularly deceptive. However, to weight your gpa with a non-current university, that's pretty obvious. Bumping 3.4 to 3.6 or even higher, bbs will clearly see it upon review. Lots of bbs will look for 3.5 cutoff, so if you say you have above 3.5 and clearly do not, then you have been caught red handed. If you want to bump up your gpa without being true to what your real gpa is, why don't you just put whatever you want. 3.7. 3.8. It's all the same. Maybe I should even put 7/8 weight on my old university and just 1/8 on the current one. Hey why not even include those ap class grades or heck just weight in hs as well. In short, if you clearly lie, you will get cut. Even if you get past that, if at any time during your employment they find out you lied when you got hired, you can get fired. If you want to risk it, go ahead and be stupid - when all is said and done, let me know how things are going at Wachovia
OP, it seems to me to be only permissible if you list both schools and call the average your combined cumulative...anything else would be lying
from rpi's career website:
http://www.careerfair.rpi.edu/students/prep/Resume_Prep.php
"If you are a transfer student and had a higher GPA before coming to Rensselaer, you may want to present your cumulative GPA including the weighted average of courses at both schools. Be sure to clearly present this as a combined GPA. List all schools you attended where the courses will support your degree from Rensselaer."
LOL THE OP IS DEFINITELY DAN BUSH....note:
poor spelling
extremely irritable and likes to use the word "fuck" a lot
starts a thread arguing a point just to see if he is proven wrong instead of just asking his question straight-up in the first place
When you transfer schools your previous school's GPA is basically voided. That GPA is only used in consideration to get you into the second school. When applying for jobs, your GPA from the second school is the GPA that matters. It's the only one that the company is interested in.
I wouldn't do it if I were you. Pretend for a second that you're the one making the hiring decisions and someone from an IVY school sent you a resume with an averaged GPA that made absolutely no reference to a full year at a community college. What would you think about the candidate? Would you think that candidate was trying to slip something past you? I probably would and it would call into question that candidate's ethics.
Rounding up your GPA from a 3.67 to a 3.7 or a 3.77 to a 3.8 may be slightly frowned upon, but that will never get an offer rescinded. This, on the other hand, almost certainly will.
Transfer Students - list your old school GPA on your Resume? (Originally Posted: 11/13/2008)
I transferred from Duke to UNC this past year for personal reasons. I'm a current sophomore, and I'm just wondering how I'm supposed to list my GPA on my resume; Do I make one 'aggregate' GPA, list both GPAs separately, or just list my UNC GPA? Thanks.
Just your UNC GPA.
Btw... Duke >>>>>>> UNC
List your current university's resume.
pretty standard to list your current GPA only
I think you should have your transfer GPA up there, if it is better than your current one.
Appreciate the feedback guys, my Duke GPA was lower than my UNC one so I will not be listing it.
UNC >>>>> Duke. Unless you like butch women.
You must have one hell of a good reason to transfer from Duke to UNC...
Putting transfer GPA/school on Resume (Originally Posted: 11/18/2012)
So I transferred from a non-target well respected private school in the northeast to a target school in the south after my first year. So my question is do I leave my transfer school/ GPA (which is slightly higher) on my resume or off? My new GPA is fine 3.5+, but I have gotten mixed comments on what do and am looking for some advice..
Leave it off the original school off. 3.5 is a fine GPA. Also, why not put your cumulative GPA?
Instead of: Nontarget......datestart - dateend GPA 3.9 Private.....datestart - expectedgraddate GPA 3.5
Try something like: Private.....expectedgraddate GPA 3.7
Obviously, adjust to your format... Just a suggestion.
OP, I would literally do the opposite of this. Writing your cumulative across both schools without listing both schools will be interpreted by 99 out of 100 bankers as intentionally misleading. Write both schools with their respective separate cumulative GPAs.
Also as a side note to transfers in general, don't list a degree under the school you transferred out of unless you received the actual degree. I see this on resumes sometimes and on LinkedIn ALL THE TIME and it drives me insane. Just put "Economics and Mathematics" (or whatever your area of study was) instead of a degree, don't list "Bachelors of Science, Economics and Mathematics" if you did not actually receive the degree from that institution. Humongous pet peeve of mine.
I think you should leave both. The post above doesn't really make sense because for example if you transferred from a community college with 4.0 and now you are getting 3.0 in harvard, it is hard to justify putting 3.5 harvard.
Don't see why it's hard to justify... You're just stating your cumulative GPA.
try it. worst thing that can happen is you get your offer rescinded.
but seriously don't average the gpa's across both institutions. it'll be a red flag when they do a background check
Is it looked down upon on the street that I have transferred? I also now have more semesters at my current school than where I transferred from.. The two reasons why I was thinking about keeping it on was because of the higher GPA and because I dont want to look like I am hiding anything..
No, it's not looked down upon. Keep in mind, I'm not saying "average" them... I'm saying use your cumulative GPA. It would only be an average if you happen to have completed the same number of credit hours for each school...
Using saxman's example... I would never put a community college on my resume if I were at Harvard... Bottom line is, you're at Harvard and your overall GPA is X. If you're saying you have a 4.0 at your first school and a 2.0 at your new school, consider putting both. Use your best judgement.
Transfer Grades Resume (Originally Posted: 07/08/2013)
My first year of college I struggled and got a 2.6. I My second year I got a 3.3 and this past year I got a 3.8. I transfered schools after my sophomore year.
I have read that I should only put the gpa (3.8) of the school that I graduated from. Will employers and possibly IB's see this as deceitful since my total college gpa is significantly lower? Do you think employers will ask for transcripts from both of the schools I have attended or just the one I graduate from?
you should only put the gpa of the school that you will be graduating from, but your grades from past schools will be on your transcripts and you'll be asked about those grades in interviews (when you transferring schools comes up)
At my school transfer grades don't show up on the resume. It just list the classes I have received credit from and says "CR" after each one. Also I started after off as a biology major before switching to finance. So the majority of my business related classes will have been taken at my current school instead of my previous one.
I had a similar situation, earned lower grades at the institution I transferred from compared to the one I transferred to. I listed my GPA at the institution I transferred to after checking the transcript they provide - same format, lists "Transfer credit" and not grades.
I have always submitted my resume with only the transferred-to GPA, and provided my transcript when receiving an offer. Never been questioned. Your mileage may vary.
Transfer GPA resume (Originally Posted: 08/12/2015)
Hi I know there have been some similar posts but I just wanted to get clarification.
I took community college classes in high school and got a 3.13. I am currently in a four year university and have a 3.50. My cumulative GPA is 3.41. Do I have to put cumulative GPA on my resume or can I leave it off? And when I list my current university GPA can I just put "GPA:3.50" below my university? Also I have a business GPA of 3.66.
Thanks in advance
Just include the 4 year university you now attend and your gpa at that school, have a bullet below relevant coursework that says "Transferred in [Fall/Spring] 20xx from xxx county community college". No one cares what your CC gpa was.
You should also list your Major GPA on your resume as it is better than your normal GPA.
Those are separate GPAs. Typically, the college classes that you took in high school or for high school requirements/credits don't factor into your four-year, college GPA.
GPA calculation (Originally Posted: 08/15/2008)
If you are a transfer student how do you calculate your GPA for resumes/applications?
whichever way makes it look the highest haha
whichever way makes it look the highest haha
Your GPA remains with your school. Say you transferred to Penn... you would write down only your Penn GPA under the education section. Most transfers don't include their former schools on their resume, as they're usually not very respected on Wall St.
I'm a transfer and I'm keeping my previous school on my resume and I listed the GPA for each school. Yes, it might be tempting to leave out your previous school, but someone brought up a good point. What if the interviewer asks "are you graduating early?" You'd have to explain you were a transfer and why that wasn't listed. Better to list your old school/GPA separately (I'm assuming your previous GPA wasn't shitty or you probably wouldn't have been able to transfer).
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Not familiar with GPA (Originally Posted: 07/09/2012)
I will be transferring to a US college in the fall. We were told in the 'old' country that only the final two years of our degree count (the ones we spend in the US). This is when calculating whether we got a 1st/2nd class hons. degree.
However, I've learned pretty quickly that nobody gives a shit about this in the US, and that GPA is all that counts.
Will my graduating GPA (the one I hope to swing an FT with) be a result of my final two years, four years or just my major? I know there are different methods, but I only care about the ones that IBs use.
Coming from an non-target, I am trying to develop every other area of my resume so I'll be happy with a 3.5 whatever scale is used..
Pretty sure that the GPA that you will use for recruiting is for the final 2 years at your new school.
When you transfer to a US school, they typically will not count the GPA of any credits transferred over. They just see if you passed the class, then give you credits. Schools only count GPA for classes taken at said school.
Even within the US, if you go to unversity X, but take summer classes at college Y, the grades at college Y typically will not affect your gpa.
GPA resume question (Originally Posted: 12/07/2010)
I recently transferred from a top 50 school to a top 20. Obviously I have to put both schools on my resume, but should I list a GPA for both or just a combined GPA for my current school. Ex: Top 20 School 2010-2013 GPA: 3.6 Major GPA: 3.9
Top 50 School 2009-2010 GPA: 3.8 Major GPA: 4.0
or
Top 20 School 2010-2013 Combined GPA: 3.7 Combined Major GPA: 3.95 Top 50 School 2009-2010
Thoughts?
List GPAs separately. Otherwise they can't tell what makes up your GPA, is it easy As at the first school and harder ones at the second or did you actually do okay in the second school.
You should definitely list them separately or only list your current GPA. For instance, I transferred to my current school and I don't include my GPA from the old school, just the "President's List" designation where I would normally list my degree/major under my current school.
Current School, Cumulative GPA Bachelor of Science, Business
Old School President's List, Full Academic Scholarship
Went to 3 schools, GPA on resume (Originally Posted: 05/03/2007)
I went to Indiana Bloomington my freshman year, a community college my sophomore year, and now go to the University of Illinois. Since I know someone will bring it up, I am aware that IU would have been a lot better for getting into banks. I had to transfer for financial reasons, although I do love U of I.
I didn't do too hot at my first two schools, but somehow still managed to get into U of I and got close to a 4.0. How should I denote my GPA on my resume?
List your current school. Above it list your cumulative GPA.
i would put current school and list your cumulative GPA
list current school, and list the cumulative GPA either from all 3, or from your latest school only...depending on which is higher
I've read all the previous posts on the subject.
Most were by people who had good Community College grades but bad University Grades (opposite situation of me), and they were told to not average in the CC GPA unless they also put the CC's name on their resume.
Would the same apply for me? Or would it be different since my CC grades are bad, but my University Grades are good?
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Is anyone here familiar with the accounting rule of conservatism? Is that what you have to apply to your GPA? -> calculate it in the manner that will make it as low as possible?
just list UIUC under education and list only UIUC gpa
i did the same and i was a transfer student.
i had no problems with the background check (i sent in my transcript that showed my previous institution's gpa as well)
youre back?
for your situation UIUC with UIUC gpa under, its weird though because you have like four gpas at u of i.
IMHO, put just your most recent school.
That being said, if they ask clearly, provide full disclosure. You will have to anyway if they ask for transcripts.
Just be honest. If you put your current school and your current GPA, you are being honest. If you somehow deny the other schools, you're not being honest.
Transfer GPA Question (Originally Posted: 11/28/2014)
Quick question about transfer GPA and internship recruiting. At school A I was going through some pretty serious personal issues, and in turn my GPA was greatly affected (it was abysmal). I decided that school B was going to be a better fit so I transferred there. At school B my GPA is a 4.0. How should I respond when/if I am pressed about school A in interviews? Will they check for my school A transcripts (old grades do show up on my new one, but not GPA). FWIW school B has much better recruiting opportunities and alumni base is strong in the industry.
Bump
I am in a similar situation as you. I have not been asked about my gap from my previous college however by recruiters nor in interviews. I also don't even include my previous school in my resume.
They probably won't care if your school is well known and has higher placement. Ignore it unless they bring it up.
Combining GPA's (Originally Posted: 06/01/2013)
So I transferred from a community college with about a 3.6 to a solid semi-target university. After my first year at the semi-target, I have about a 3.1. Combined together it's about a 3.4 taking into consideration of credit hours.
On my resume would it be okay to put:
Name of Semi Target Bachelor’s Degree: Finance Expected 201x •Cumulative GPA: 3.4/ 4.0
I know it is a bit deceptive to put cumulative GPA at a 3.4, but that's not technically untrue. When HR requests transcripts, couldn't I just provide both transcripts? I know I should put both schools and their respective GPA's, but I said "cumulative gpa" so it's technically the truth. Would they rescind for something like this?
Thanks in advance.
Please don't. When HR checks your transcript and sees you get a 3.1 you would get rescinded instantly for lying.
I had this same question too - in response to iamamonkeybanker he's technically not lying...how could they rescind for this?
HR usually only checks your uni, and not your comm coll. so you need to be more transparent on your resume..
Name of Semi Target Bachelor's Degree GPA
Name of Comm Coll GPA
Cum. GPA
I think something like that is better. i could be wrong though, i just think its wrong.
What about this:
Name of Semi Target Bachelor's Degree
Name of Comm Coll
Cum. GPA
Still not lying, but perhaps a bit more transparent? I still would like to avoid the stigma of being a community college kid, so I'd much rather leave the community college off the resume and stick with the option in the first post. Does anyone else have any input about whether or not the offer would be rescinded?
yeah i think that would be much better.. look im not sure how HR would view it so maybe others who have experience with this can offer better insight.
i just think HR will look at your uni transcripts and will see a big gap between your real gpa and what you put on your resume so becareful.
I think an employer would either ask in the interview or have HR find out what the broken out GPA is anyway and when it shows a lower GPA at the target they may think you were trying to pull something. Or they just won't notice and take it as your GPA. Roll them dice
Don't do it - combining GPA is the worst idea you can have. Why not just be straight up clean and honest? List both your CC GPA and Semi-Target GPA. Gives you a peace of mind too, knowing that you're definitely not going to be red flagged during background checks.
Transfer GPA Blending? (Originally Posted: 12/19/2012)
So what is most acceptable for this? Say I went to two different colleges/universities. One non-target, one semi-target/target...
GPA at first place = 3.8 Major GPA: 3.9 GPA at second place (first semester heavy courseload) = 3.6 Major GPA: 3.7
Can I just write both schools and below them Cumulative GPA: 3.7 Major GPA: 3.8?
Can I not write my old school and just write cumulative GPA 3.7?
Should I not do either and just write 3.6 under the first school and 3.8 under the second school?
Is this a deal breaker? I'm a junior transfer.
Check with your school policy. Many have a policy about which to disclose.
I would list them completely separately. List both schools and under each school post the separate GPA. And depending on how it looks, consider not including Major GPA, just because having 4 GPA's listed is a lot to take in while glancing at a resume
My school has no policy towards this at all actually...it's all up to my discretion. Why do you think listing them separately is best? I was thinking combining them would be better since I would have a higher overall GPA....
It's more honest. Not that listing them separately is dishonest, but maybe..disingenuous? It leaves no question in their mind. For the same reason, I also round to two decimals instead of one. If I were in your situation and put 3.7 on my resume, I would hate for them to ask me in an interview what the specific GPAs were at each school. I would hate to have to tell them how that 3.7 is being buoyed by my non-target GPA.
That's just my opinion on how it is received though, could be wrong. I'm sure many people would disagree.
And no, it's not a deal breaker one way or the other
Would you write 3.6 or would you take the risk of combining them? I get exactly what you're saying, but I don't know if that risk is worth taking....is 3.6 high enough for interviews on its own?
Your cumulative GPA is not a 3.7. List them separately- it is the honest thing to do. If I went to a CC for 4 semesters and got a 4.0 and then went to Wharton for 4 semesters and got a 3.0, I can't just say I have a cumulative GPA from Wharton of 3.5.
Yes I would put 3.6. No, it isn't too low. Keep in mind when they see you have a 3.6 at target and a 3.8 at nontarget they realize you could have combined them and put 3.7, and instead chose to be more clear about exactly what your accomplishments are. Not that they'll necessarily go through that thought process, but overall I just think it's better to be very honest with them. You should be proud of your 3.6, and if they ask why it isn't higher you might want to talk about some of the other things you spent your time on
OK, I got it. Thanks a lot.
GPA1: 3.8 GPA2: 3.6 Cumulative Major GPA: 3.8
Transfer GPA -- Strategy-Related Question (Originally Posted: 12/14/2011)
I transferred to a Target from a non-Target at the beginning of this semester, which means that I do not have a GPA yet -- but that I will have a GPA in about a week. The issue is that my non-target GPA (between 3.85-4.0) is going to be significantly higher than my target GPA (possibly as low ~3.1 and as high as ~3.5, with a ~3.3 being most probable). If it matters, my SAT's were 2200-2300.
As a junior, I feel like I am faced with three options:
1) To 'average' the target and non-target GPA, which is a little bit too sketchy for me to feel comfortable doing (unless you guys say otherwise). I would obviously check with my school's career center before doing this.
2) To apply now without a GPA, and list my Target GPA as N/A and provide an explanation in my cover letter. I saw the possibility of this happening earlier in the semester and spoke with a couple of people (a well-connected finance prof & my school's career center), and they all said this was a viable/legit option. It would at least let me get my foot in the door for a first round interview, which is better than nothing. I'm not sure if this would raise any flags or appear to be dishonest; if it would, it's not worth doing it.
3) Suck it up and apply for internships with a sub-par GPA.
What do you guys recommend? This is pretty unfortunate because my "cumulative" GPA can swing so wildly -- I've done A-level work in all of my classes, but the subjectives like class participation are going to weigh me down, and I have a very strong history of getting straight A's (which I'm concerned isn't reflected in my prospective GPA).
I'm definitely not willing to risk my reputation or be blackballed or whatever, because if worst comes to worst I can always take an extra semester and re-apply next year. I guess I'm asking for the most honest way to portray myself, because a 3.3 is a much less accurate reflection than what a truly cumulative GPA would come out to be. Also, I searched for a couple of pages but didn't find an equivalent situation.
write down both GPAs on your resume, the target and non-target.
1, you CANNOT average the 2 GPA's. You WILL get dinged for trying to pull shit like that.
If you applied for internship positions before your grades came out, you could have put your non-target GPA. Since you just received your target GPA since semester is over, you will have to put that on your applications.
I actually have not received my target GPA yet. I won't for at least a week.
I am in a very similar situation. I will most likely put a cumulative (of the two schools) GPA on my resume and mention the specific GPAs for each school on the online app. My target GPA is 3.4-3.5 and I have no doubt that that will not get me any first rounds.
Theparadox,
The question is, I guess, whether having a 3.4-3.5 listed on the online app will bar you from first rounds. How much do they weight the online application versus resume drops?
Option 1 is too risky as xxix said, you run a serious risk of getting auto-dinged. although i do know a few kids who did that with no consequences.
option 2 is probably what i would go for, especially if there is a chance you end up with a 3.1 this semester. i'd only go for option 3 if your GPA was going to be closer to a 3.5 AND the new target school is substantially better respected
I have no idea. Like you, I wish I didn't have to use my non-target GPA at all, but it is what it is. Regarding the online app, unlike the resume, it specifically asks for each school's GPA and there's no room from interpretation there. I believe only HR looks at the online apps, I could be wrong.
Traffic1119,
I think that I will get somewhere between a 3.2 and a 3.3, but it is very difficult to say. Absolute best case scenario is a 3.5, but there's almost no chance of that happening.. although every semester, I always think I'm going to do significantly worse than I actually end up doing, and I usually end up with the best case scenario. Usually professors have quietly moved me up a little bit if I'm right on the line, but I'm not sure why.
But anyway, I actually put together a probability density function and my expected GPA is 3.2X. With that, would you apply now?
bump
Like someone else posted, just post both gpa's...
If you don't have a GPA at the target yet,
put
"Non-Target" GPA: 3.9 "Target" GPA: N/A
Okay, cool. And it won't bite me in the ass, given how close to receiving final grades this is?
No, but if your grades do come in, you will be expected to disclose them
I'm in a similar situation. 3.9 from non target pretransfer, but might come down at the target this semester. A strategy might be to apply NOW, before you receive your final grades for the semester. That way, you can list 3.9 gpa from the non target and N/A from the target, instead of 3.3 or whatever it will be.
I am moderately concerned that I ruined my life forever. The Gods conspired (or something) and I got a lower grade than I had thought was possible in every single one of my classes. In one, the teacher notified me the day before my exam that she had forgotten to factor something in and that, as a result, my final grade was 7 points lower than I'd expected. If she'd have let me known earlier, I would have done everything in my power to raise my grade -- but because I didn't know, I thought my grade was fine and focused on other classes. Yikes.
Anyway: I got a sub-3.0. Think 2.75-2.85. My cumulative GPA still rounds to 3.8, but that is including the GPA from my non-target transfer. I don't really know what to do. I've been sleeping 18 hours a day (I'm on a break) and generally exhibiting all of the symptoms of depression, and I am legitimately concerned that I ruined my life and will never be able to achieve my dreams. In short, I'm pretty fucking devastated.
What should I do? One option is to stay an extra semester and apply for SA positions next year, but I'd rather avoid that if possible. Be honest: am I fucked?
i got rejected from basically all BB banks i applied to recently except for 1-2 for now. still gna apply to MS GS JPM, and prob knw i wnt get those (3.5-3.6 GPA, so on the fence for GPA cut off)
i was feeling like you for a couple of days, shit sad sleeping and sick....complete 180 degrees now. been attacking the MMs hard and positioned myself well within some of the ones in LA (network through linkedin, alumni, frat alumns)
hoping to get interviews at these MMs and end up here for SA positions if my BB option doesnt go through...who knws maybe MMs could be better for me or you, and if not, leverage it to get into a better BB bank for FT recruitment.
you still have options, time to wash up and show your A game to ppl to get noticed. goodluck buddy
Would like to get some insight:
Transferred this year to a target from an SEC school. Right now I have my resume formatted as thus:
TARGET UNIVERSITY Bachelor of Science in XYZ - Transfer Student
NON-TARGET UNIVERSITY Completed Coursework in Business Administration - GPA: 3.8/4.0 - Honors: XYZ, ABC, PDQ, ETC
Got my grades back, I got a 3.44 for the semester at my new school. My first thoughts are to just replace "Transfer Student" with "GPA: 3.44/4.00" and chance my non-target GPA to "3.81/4.00" (rounded right now). However, I don't want to miss the 3.5 cutoff that some banks have - how should I play this? I guess how each bank will treat my two years at my non-target is random and arbitrary? Any thoughts, guys?
lol if you put your GPA as N/A even though you've already finished a semester, you will get dinged. BBs aren't that stupid. You also definitely can't average your grades from non-target, you need to list both.
I don't think I'm going to be able to avoid doing something slimy -- applying with a sub-3.0 is obviously going to get me auto-dinged -- and if I am asked explicitly about my GPA in an interview, I can't imagine overcoming the explanation of why I got below a 3.0 and coming out with an offer anywhere, let alone at a reputable bank. Thus, not listing my Target GPA at all on my resume is probably also not actually realistic.
Do banks have memories? In other words, if I apply with a sub-3.0 GPA this year will it affect my chances next year?
I think my only option is to bring up my GPA and wait until next year. This is unfortunate. If anybody thinks there's another way, let me know. If not, thanks for the guidance.
Internal transfer GPA (Originally Posted: 01/20/2008)
I originally had a 3.7 in the beginning of college. After 2 years I did an internal transfer within the same college (it's a target) from one school to another. The school I'm in now is more difficult and as a result my GPA in that school is a 3.2. But because everything is from the same university, both GPAs are listed on my transcript, along with my grades for each course in the first school. Should I average them together or list them separately?
I would use a cumulative GPA which includes all classes taken at your university regardless of school. I can't see the argument for listing 3.7 but I could see for listing solely 3.2, but then again why would you do that.
Which GPA to list? (Originally Posted: 08/28/2013)
Hey guys was hoping to get some advice on something, so I transferred to a school in jan. 2013 and got great grades, now coming into this semester I am taking some hard courses and I think my gpa will go down significantly. If I apply for a SA in November and then interview in January can I still use that gpa on the resume i submitted or will it have to be my new one I report? Thanks for any help guys I really appreciate it.
You'd be lying / misleading if you don't update it.
so just to clarify as soon as my grades come in from fall I need to send them to hr correct? Or can I wait until I have an offer in hand?
Combining GPAs from 2 institutions (transfer) (Originally Posted: 09/07/2015)
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Just be clear about what the GPA you use is.
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I would not put your combined GPA from both schools next to a "cumulative GPA" that just looks like it's from one school.
What you proposed doesn't sound misleading, but you should post it to make sure it doesn't look misleading (or just plain weird...)
Thanks! Can I get some more input on this?
as long as you clearly call it combined, i think it's fine, but otherwise, it's very misleading. Seeing a resume that had a cumulative GPA next to a college and then realized it was combined to make it appear better would result in a straight ding in my book
Which GPA's to put? (Originally Posted: 12/19/2012)
I just transferred to a target from community college. I have good experience (IB SA at local boutique and Merchant Bank internship).
When I transferred I took on a lot of activities, joining a sport (3hrs per day), a cultural club, and doing a lot of case comps.
However due to my underestimating the rigor of my classes and my activities, I ended up with a 3.4 the semester before recruiting. My GPA before transferring was 3.84.
Should I include both on the upcoming resume drops or just my 3.4 from my target?
HOLY *&%$, this is like the 5th thread on this in two days. Look at recent posts, it has literally been just answered.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/transfer-gpa-blending
Seriously, just suck it up and put the GPA for your new school. If you think you actually have good experience (which tbh it seems like fairly average for the school that you attend), then you can back yourself up with that in interviews.
Reporting GPA question (Originally Posted: 06/18/2012)
Hi everyone, I have a quick question about reporting grades. I transferred into my current school so I have 2 GPA's on my transcript. One (which is higher) includes transfer units and the other doesn't. Can I use my higher GPA or is that against the rules?
You use the one from your current institution, always. If you have space to list both institutions (and want to), you can list the old GPA from your former institution, but you in no way whatsoever can get away with writing the name of your current school and the GPA from your former.
I have never seen a school release an official GPA that weights credits earned at another institution. The convention is for you to receive academic credit toward your degree for the credits earned elsewhere, but your transcript's GPA will reflect only the grades you earn at your new university.
GPA After transfer (Originally Posted: 10/31/2013)
I transferred from an European school (with average grades) to an American school (where I got good grades). On my American transcript the transfer grades are just listed as "transfer". Can I exclude the transfer grades when calculating GPA to put on my resume? Or is this considered unethical?
The classes with the worst grades didn't transfer at all. Do I need to include all grades from all undergraduate schools?
Thanks!
yes. the traditional convention is to only write your new GPA at your american school.
Just post your GPA on the transcript at your American school, so when you are asked for an unofficial transcript you only need to turn one in. You did mention the grades from your European school are listed on your American school's transcript, so I personally don't see anything unethical.
It says "TR" Or "Transfer" instead of the actual grade.
GPA Help (Originally Posted: 08/04/2011)
First post on wallstreetoasis!
I am a senior at a 4 year school right now.
I went to a junior college for my basics and transferred to the university.
Under the education section on my resume, should I list both schools or just the university?
Also, how should I display my GPA? should I list my cumulative undergraduate GPA, or just my GPA from the university? What about my major GPA? Or should I split them up......I'm confused.
major gpa 4.0, uni gpa ~3.9, cumulative ~3.75
Seeking full time position
Thanks in advance
anyone?
I would list the GPA of your current university unless asked to disclose the other.
I would only list your university and university GPA. It tends to rub employers the wrong way if they see multiple undergrad universities on a resume, plus this looks to work in your favor. If a transcript was every requested, you aren't really hiding anything, as the combined GPAs would round up to a 3.8 anyways, so you would be fine.
gpa after third year transfer (Originally Posted: 11/16/2007)
Lets say you transfer to a different school for your third year after two years at another school. When you apply to summer analyst positions you will literally only have 1 semester of grades under your belt. Do you think its acceptable to average out that term and use this as your gpa after a semester at your new school?
If possible, i would prefer to Not record or include my previous schools gpa.
u cant average your grades..put both gpas on there
suck it up, kill it your first semester..its a big advantange if you can post a 3.6+ and put it on ur resume
best of luck
anyone else have any input on this? my friend is going to be in the exact same situation.
Yes, when I transferred (though it was after freshman not sophomore year), I just included my new GPA, which was the product of only one semester. No one minded, transferring came up a few times, I had a good answer and life was fine.
just work you ass off the first semester. Then you get to put a 4.0 regardless of how you did fresh and sophomore year.
You start fresh, better grab that 4.0
Make sure you disclose everything if they ask, and indicate that the GPA is only from your school by putting [your school name] GPA - 4.0 instead of Cumulative GPA - 4.0.
GPA Conundrums (Originally Posted: 01/20/2014)
My situation:
Sophomore. Econ. Transferred to target from non-target last semester. GPA at non-target was 3.8, the result of 9 classes which included A's in financial accounting, and micro and macro econ 101. Took 4 classes this fall at target. Good grades in 3 core classes but got a C in a computer science elective. So core/major gpa: 3.7, cumulative gpa at target: 3.2 .
I've been told repeatedly that I should leave my non-target info off my resume. However I feel that putting "3.2 gpa" on my resume is neither fair to myself nor a true reflection of what I've achieved. Usually a 3.2 gpa at the end of the sophomore year is a reflection of 12+ classes. In my case it only reflects the grades from four. If I had more classes under my belt at the target I'd put "major gpa: 3.7" but right now it seems kind of silly to put a major gpa when it only reflects 3 classes that are honestly just core classes.
So what's the best way to list my gpa?
I'd probably state it in some similar manner to the example below:
XYZ COLLEGE (Current school) Bachelors in Economics
awesome. thanks.
You don't take on the GPA from where you transferred?
A 3.2 anywhere on a resume was an auto ding at my bank
Question about gpa (Originally Posted: 12/03/2014)
So I just transferred to Boston College and due to some stupidity on my part, I'm going to finish my first semester with a GPA between 3-3.2. I could probably raise this to a ~3.4 after second semester as I will buckle down and take some easier classes.
I was wondering if it is worth it to return to my old school, Villanova, where I had a 3.6-3.7.
I know that Boston College is better represented in the IBD world but will having a lower GPA here hurt me more than OCR at BC will help? B-School at both.
Before you decide whether to transfer schools, you should decide to change your username to protect your identity....
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