Summer analyst after senior year...?
That is pretty much the position I'm in right now. I want to get into a summer program..but I'm graduating in May. Should I push back my graduation a semester... would that be looked down on...or is it common place to hire seniors into summer programs?
Anyone with an idea?
tldr: Do banks hire graduating seniors for their summer analyst programs?
It's been covered before, but basically they do sometimes, but very few and you should exhaust all other options before accepting this option. MM firms are more likely to do it than BB, also think about getting a masters.
It's uncommon but you can always take senior spring off, work in the summer, get the offer, and go back to school in the fall. no extra tuition and you have an extra internship to work with. not sure if its frowned upon though
Summer internship after senior year ? (Originally Posted: 11/21/2011)
i am a senior at non-target. last summer had an internship with IBD at a BB. however didnt get return offer. Job hunting has not been very successful for me this year.
so i am considering doing another ibd summer internship after my graduation.
wonderingif it is possible. two options i am thinking about 1. indicate i am planning to go to a one-year master program ( like those in UK, oxford ,Duke, chicago, mit) but the problem is at the time of summer internship application, i wont have any graudate school offer 2. should i take 2012 spring semester off and graduate in fall 2012 instead.
would appreciate if you can help me sort out the best way .thanks !
Its not too late. You need to keep networking big time. If you haven't already, get on the phone and start calling every boutique and small MM i-bank in the city where your school is/the closest city/city where you are from and tell them:
1) Your name, major, school 2) Your internship experience (highlighting your summer internship) but end this sentence/section saying you want to move to a smaller bank 3) ask if they are looking for analysts
Its a numbers game and having BB IBD SA position on your resume is huge...if you haven't used that to your advantage yet you need to get on it fast.
PM me if you have questions...this type of thing is essentially how I got my FT offer
When you cold call what number do you use?
Senior year internship before FT (Originally Posted: 09/06/2011)
I plan on accepting my FT IBD offer at a BB and will graduate in December so I was wondering if it will be worthwhile to try to find an internship during the 6 months or so before I start FT. I want to go the HF route so I thought perhaps it would be helpful to find an internship at a hedge fund or in Asset Management. I can probably study for CFA/GMAT alongside.
Although I have some money saved up from the summer, I have some loans to pay off and don't think I can just spend all the time traveling and bumming around. So I figure this is a good possible alternative, making some money while building experience and contacts. What do you guys think? Is it worth the effort?
How do these offers work? As soon as you accept you get your signing bonus or what? Or does that wait until you actually start
Honestly, I think you're in a bitchin position. Got a FT gig lined up and graduating early. I'd travel man, get that out of your system. Once FT starts you'll be slaving your life away until retirement
The flip side, you travel and the BB rescinds because of the economy
Can a graduating senior apply for BB summer analyst jobs? (Originally Posted: 12/28/2008)
My college career website won't let me apply because of my graduating date...but I guess I can apply through the BBs' websites.
change your graduation details? my school used to let you do that
True, but are graduating seniors even considered for SA positions? Are they only for juniors?
generally not considered, but really, what do you have to lose? just say some bs about how you have some stuff you really wanna do for a year and how you wanna join in summer '10 for ft if you actually get to the interview.
Fall Internship for a Senior? (Originally Posted: 08/25/2007)
I'm a rising senior and I'm interested in landing an IB job after graduation, either a BB or MM, but I don't have any finance work experience. I have very good grades and go to a target/semitarget (depending on whom you ask) and have spent the summer working for a fairly prestigious government department. Would landing a fall internship in finance, either at a boutique IB or equity research, help my chances, or is it kind of useless, given that firms recruit in the fall?
I think a boutique IB would help, anything IB on the resume can't hurt. Plus, if you didn't get an offer you may be able to head to the boutique after graduation.
Seniors getting internships (Originally Posted: 12/01/2009)
I was wondering if anyone was a senior who got an internship after they graduated. I am graduating in the spring and have had a tough time of it finding a job. My GPA isnt exactly what banks are looking for (its north of 3.0) in regards to trading or research (which im looking for), but I do have some great experiences that I feel should play into my hand.
Thanks for replies or any advice.
Can't hurt if you are unemployed but the first and better choice is always to look for FT. Internships are in many cases even more competitive since many of the kids gunning for them have very high GPA's and less on experience.
Internship for seniors (Originally Posted: 12/01/2012)
Hey guys, do you know if any BB or boutique banks hire seniors for the summer classes? I have a twin brother who is not having any luck landing a full-time. What would be the best strategy? And We are both on OPT. Thanks alot. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
BB do hire seniors / fresh graduates for SA, so don't worry too much. However, if you couldnt get a return offer, you will be really screwed.
Pretty sure they don't... but I've never tried
I dont know of BB, but definitely boutique firms do take college seniors as SA's. Try those, especially since their recruitment is rolling sometimes. Try some regional firms? Good luck to you and your brother.
Senior and landed an interview...except for SA and not FT (Originally Posted: 10/11/2012)
I got an email today for an interview at a bulge bracket, which is great except that it says it's for an internship. I'm currently in the process of applying to FT. Do you guys think there's anyway I can talk to them and turn this around to a FT interview?
You're lucky enough to have an interview, just take it and kill it. So what if it is an SA, if you do well, you'll get a return offer at the end of the summer; then you can negotiate a 2013 start date.
Oh so it doesn't matter if I am class of 2013, I could still do an internship?
Also, what kind of answer would be appropriate if they were to ask during an interview? I don't want to come off as someone who overlooked the fact that I'm coming to intern when I'm graduating in May.
Is it just me or is that extremely odd? Seems like an error on someone's part. I would play it through because they typically dont have graduates as SAs.
just say u re graduating in winter of 2013. worst come worst just take extra classes so you actually do graduate in 2013.
How many seniors applied for SA positions? (Originally Posted: 02/07/2008)
I'm curious, w/ FT recruiting as brutal as it was, how many seniors ended up applying for SA positions? If you did, were you able to land a spot?
I got murdered by FT recruiting... had a few interviews (all went well) my interviewers and contacts w/in the firms tried to push me forward, but HR wouldn't budge. HR said that slots for all non-targets were completely slashed and they were only taking a handful of students from targets.
I applied to SA positions (I am enrolled in a program where I have the option of continuing education into next year if I wish to complete the program - I decided, however, to leave the program off my resume, so it appeared as if I were a regular senior applying for SA). Got a few offers. Not once did an interviewer ask me why a senior was applying for SA, so I guess it was more common than I thought.
Seniors? Share your stories!
I am also a senior at a non-target... Had several final rounds, but faced the same thing... The firms I interviewed at (MM), were all picking up one or two analyst... Though I go to a top 30 school, we have a target school right down the road from us... So, you can guess who filled those few spots I was fighting for...
Anyways, I too have been applying for SA positions, but have also continued to apply for full time positions at boutiques.
Seniors applying to SA positions? (Originally Posted: 01/27/2009)
Are there any firms that take on seniors that have already graduated as summer interns? Use it as like a 10-week interview? Any boutiques or wealth management programs?
No shot i have tried with the BB's already.
i wish, in the same boat. this job market blows.
Even alumni's tell me they can't do anything for me.....in terms of getting into an SA positions. They advise me to let them know if I'm applying for summer associates
Why don't you just delay graduation and stay another semester?
Ahead credits, already underloading, don't have the money...
Sucks. Big time.
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Tell em you're a junior? That'd be a hell of a ruse to keep up...
I'm a senior graduating in May and I was able to land a SA that is supposed to turn into a FT position. Hopefully I don't get fucked. In your case you have graduates so I'm not too sure, good luck though.
ntj5472 where did you land SA? BB, elite boutique, or MM?
Recruit for summer analyst position as a senior? (Originally Posted: 12/01/2010)
Has anyone done it? I went through the whole FT recruiting process this semester and didn't land any offers so I'm thinking about either staying an extra semester in the fall, but am wondering if I even need to.. Can I just graduate and still recruit for these positions?
I want to break into banking and feel like this is my best chance to, so I would really appreciate any insight into this, maybe even PM me?
Thanks!
I am also interested in this.
your opportunity to recruit for SA positions was last year. its a small industry man, don't limit yourself.
your opportunity to recruit for SA positions was last year. its a small industry man, don't limit yourself.
most big firms wont take SAs who have already graduated.. just put Dec 2011 on your application and if you get a SA position, then stay the extra semester.. if you don't, then don't.
Bump...
How would you approach applying again if some of these firms only allow for one application per year? -Create a new account? -Networking?
Im doing this now. PM if you have some questions ...but then again this is all assuming i get an SA
do any top MM banks let you do this without lying that you graduate in December 2012?
Almost all, maybe all, SA positions still accept/recruit students who graduate in Dec 2012. That's for my school at least.
Senior to Intern? (Originally Posted: 10/07/2011)
I know internships are generally reserved for juniors and underclassmen, but is it possible to convince firms to take on graduating seniors as interns? Has anyone had success with this?
I ask because anytime I ask for an internship, I get someone in HR and he/she usually tells me to apply for FT. Unfortunately, I don't exactly have the internships to really land FT jobs (I was a naive student and didn't discover WSO until junior summer), and I'm willing to work unpaid/as an intern for experience.
Ever thought of an MSF?
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I was one of two people admitted into my BB summer analyst program even though I had completed an undergraduate degree. I made the case that I was going to complete another degree and was going to take my GMAT before full time training begins.
Thanks for the responses. I don't think I have much of a case for finishing another degree, so I probably don't have much of a chance for interning.
I think I will try my best to land another internship during the spring and recruit for off-cycle FT.
Thanks!
Unconventional Senior Year Banking Internship - FT Recruiting? (Originally Posted: 03/02/2010)
Hey guys,
I wanted to get your advice on this. I'm graduating this semester, May 2010, and although I was a senior during recruiting season I received a Summer Analyst offer for a BB. I am continuing to recruit for other full-time opportunities, but it seems more and more likely that this will be the only option I have upon graduation. I know that this would be a great opportunity. My concern is for full-time.
I spoke with the head recruiter in New York and she said that I would likely have to start full-time next Fall 2011, or at best an accelerated start next January. I'm not 100% sure that I want to stay in the healthcare field for investment banking, and was thinking about leveraging my summer experience in looking for other full-time jobs in Fall 2010. Since I will have graduated by then, I know that most other banks, consulting firms, and F500 corporations are looking just for Seniors graduating in Spring 2011 during the next recruiting cycle. What do you think my chances are of being able to leverage an unconventional senior year internship to a full-time offer elsewhere post-graduation? I know that a lot of it hinges on my ability to network, but was wondering what your thoughts were.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Keep looking in the meanwhile, but it's better than nothing. I would think it's perfectly acceptable to renege on your acceptance if you find a full-time job. Just my two cents.
I know of a few firms that specifically say they are looking for "final-year students or students that have recently graduated" for graduate FT recruitment (Nomura immediately jumps to mind), however, I don't know if this is the norm and whether having already graduated would be a disadvantage at other firms that don't explicitly state this.
Rebelcross, I sent you a PM.
Senior Summer Analyst (Originally Posted: 09/13/2014)
Hi all. I'm a senior from a target school, top 5 ivy, but haven't done the traditional junior summer internship.
I was wondering whether banks still look to fill any summer internships with seniors or recent spring graduates?? I'll be done this coming may and am looking towards summer '15.
I also just accepted a fall internship at a boutique IB, but on the sales side working directly with one of the MDs (pretty making / screening calls). If I do a great job, do you think there is any possibility for him to put me in touch with the IBD in 5-6 months??
Thanks very much!
anyone?
very unlikely that you will get summer internships at BB. if you do great at a fall internship, you can try to network your way. if you are at NYC, you can try some small firms for internships.
im not targeting BB, any bank would be fine. Yes im in NYC
if you are interested in IBD only, then you really need to work at BB first. MM or smaller firms dont have resources to train you. I assume that you are from Columbia. Use your school alumni network and send cold emails. You dont have chances at firms with structured recruiting process. But you can try to find a way into small firms. There are tons of investment firms at NYC.
Senior; keep looking for ft or go for internship? (Originally Posted: 11/28/2012)
HI WSO
I am currently a senior at a semi-target state school (UVA, Umich, UCal) and I have not received a ft offer as of yet. Since most BB and MM are done for the year, I started to focus on small boutique firms, inquiring about possible positions. From calling few banks, I've found that most of them are looking for interns and more inclined to consider me compare to ft position,. So I was wondering if I should ask them for possible summer internship position rather than ft position? Do you guys think this is a good idea? Also, how difficult is it to get ft offer after graduation, if internship does not lead to ft offer?
Here is my resume for your reference. http://www.razume.com/documents/28697
Always, thank you for your help.
Tough with that GPA, and minimal internship experience. Best bet is an SA position, but I would be surprised if you can get that because if you could, you would have gotten a FT offer, and banks typically like to focus recruiting from current students....
When you are cold emailing and calling you should be asking for both... internships or full time opportunities.
You're not graduating this coming May? Get a SA for this summer and try FT again next year.
Typos - should be "that purchases, trades and sells gold" "accounted for more than twenty"
Yo..
Just wanted to give you some resume advice here because it could really use some cleaning up. Would make it easier to read if you are applying for some SA/FT positions in the future.
1) Split your leadership & work experience. Don't clutter them into one place. It hides some of your experience.
2) Change your PWM internship name to read Wealth Management Summer Analyst.
3) Put your equity reserach position at the top as it is still a job you have.
Hopefully that helps a little bit.
I am pretty much in the same boat, so I am interested to hear if anyone else has advise and/or suggestions.
bump
Share experience recruiting for summer analyst position as a senior? (Originally Posted: 12/01/2010)
Has anyone done it? I went through the whole FT recruiting process this semester and didn't land any offers so I'm thinking about either staying an extra semester in the fall, but am wondering if I even need to.. Can I just graduate and still recruit for these positions?
I want to break into banking and feel like this is my best chance to, so I would really appreciate any insight into this, maybe even PM me?
Thanks!
I think you have some options.
Stay the extra semester and don't look back - if you do this you need make sure you add experience to your resume during this time. Start networking as soon as you have made the decision.
If you decide to graduate this summer you can still apply for FT positions next fall, but it will be an uphill battle since you won't have the help of your career office (although some allow it). But why stop applying and trying to break in? How about going the boutique or MM route? Many don't have structured recruiting schedules like their BB peers. With enough effort, I am sure you can still network your way in before you graduate.
Good luck.
I went through this situation last year and I chose to stay and finish a second major in lieu of a minor. Worked out well for me - if you can spin the extra semester well and land a summer analyst role, it opens the doors for full-time recruiting in the fall. For me it worked out especially well because you can pitch yourself as an off-cycle hire who can come on board in January. Anything to give you an edge to stand out of a crowd of interviewees.
if tuition is a problem, can you take next semester off, do two internships during that time while recruiting for SA, get a solid SA position, get an offer, and come back in the fall to go through full-time recruiting with 3 extra internships under your belt, and then take spring off?
You only have one more term of school either way so same cost but 2 more terms free
is it even necessary to spin the extra semester? i am considering doing something similar and was thinking I'd just change my expected graduation date to a year later on my resume and not mention anything. when they background check me will it be a problem that I skipped some quarters in order to "become a junior?" While they may not be crazy about it, it wouldn't be a lie so it doesn't seem like something that could get an offer rescinded...thoughts?
Bump... How would you approach applying again if some of these firms only allow for one application per year? -Create a new account? -Networking?
Senior applying for SA IBD (Originally Posted: 01/01/2010)
Context: senior, two sport varsity athlete, semi-target, 3.5+ math/econ double, president of finance club, sophomore summer: Asset Management, junior summer: sa MBB regional office; want banking.
Nearly every bank--boutique and BB alike--explicitly request juniors to apply for SA opportunities. Nevertheless, I've been disregarding this request and applying to every bank I can (of course via online application--which, from what I hear, is a fail anyway). Logically, this eligibility constraint doesn't make too much sense to me: the differences in status between a junior and I seem negligible.
And I'm beginning to wonder, under the assumption that banks look at online applications, will they consider my application? Have you seen seniors holding a summer analyst position? Any additional advice?
Happy New Year
Apply to, and get in, a one year master's program. A loop-hole in the banking internship is that an SA must have another year of school.
That said, banking is a very conservative business. People like to see uniformity in the people that are coming in because it was expected of them. You could always declare another major so that you have no possibility of graduating this May and you will be reclassified as a junior. There are a few steps you can take to include yourself in the pool of SA applicants. You could take next two semesters off and do some kind of charity work and save your final semester for spring 2011.
Do you really want to be doing that though? Why not do the MBB? Go to business school after a few years and then transition into banking.
More than anything, think about where you want to be in five or ten years. Do you have to get an SA spot and hopefully get an offer to be a full-time analyst to get where you want to go?
wait-why not just recruit ft?
All BB and reputable MM and boutiques will not consider your application. Once the HR see that you are a senior, your resume will be tossed into a trash bin automatically. If you have a huge push from someone (say a group head) inside, there is a slight chance that HR will bring you in for an interview. But even that is quite rare.
You probably wanna call up some 10 people boutique shop. They have no fixed recruiting schedule and may be willing to consider any person as long as they like your credential.
Yea I think the above poster is correct. Without another year or at least semester of school, I don't believe you are eligible for an SA position with any firm that has a standardized recruiting process. And it doesn't really matter that YOU don't see the difference betweeen yourself and a junior, it matters that THEY see a difference and they make the decision. So don't be cocky like they owe you something. You, like everyone else had your shot at an IBD SA position last summer, and you missed it. So now rather than criticizing the system you have to figure out a way to fix it and get a FT position.
Wait...this topic is starting to worry me. I'm in my third year of college and will graduate in four years, but credit wise, I'm a senior, and all of my school's documents for me say senior on it.
I believe if you have another semester/year of school left you are fine looking for SA positions.
Hmm... so if I have one full year to go before graduation and my academic status says that I'm a senior at the time of SA application, will that still be fine? For instance, a rising senior applying for BB in Dec, and graduating exactly one year after(he/she might have taken one semester off for internships or other activities)
I know of someone who hadn't done any finance internships through college, but the summer after graduation she interned at GS Investment Management. She was going to a masters program (not finance or economics related) at another university, so perhaps GS thought she would return to GS after completing that program. I suggest if you DO get interviews to consider what your story is.
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when you're applying for jobs, what they will ask you for is GRADUATION DATE, not "class standing". no one asks you are you a junior, only what year you graduate.
in response to the OP's question, i have never seen ANY seniors at the BB's i've been in for the past 3 years. however, that said, i know some people have said they are doing 5 years of undergrad, etc. then in this case, you will be eligible for SA positions during the summer after your 4th year.
So long as you have another year left you can do SA. Friend of mine prolonged graduation from 6/2006 to 9/2006 and he just did SA recruiting then and started his FT offer in 10/2006 lol
there are lots of loopsholes
I know how long it has been since this post but I am attempting to do this - apply to a SA stint as a senior. My resume is extremely strong aside from the fact that I am a senior and I could really use some advice. Do you know the details of what your friend did for his/her application? I am conflicted because all of the contacts I reached out to during my junior year recruiting probably won't want to help me.
I know a senior who interned at a BB, but she was going into a fixed one-year analyst program at my school's endowment. She didn't get an offer though.
People do this more frequently than you think: as seniors, they do a summer analyst stint, and then basically do nothing for a year before they become full-times. I don't really know exactly how you frame your candidacy but it's definitely possible.
Internship - Summer internships after graduated (Originally Posted: 01/13/2011)
Is it possible to do a summer I-Banking internship after having graduated?
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yes
can you apply for a summer analyst position if you graduated already ? (Originally Posted: 03/05/2014)
Do they still take you into consideration or they reject you right away
It depends. Some banks claim to have policies stating they won't hire graduates. But you need to network a lot and have someone pulling from you in order to even have a chance. Smaller banks may allow you to be an intern if they don't have the need for an FT analyst.
JP Morgan in London do take grads on as summer analysts, not sure about others.
IB firms offering post-grad internships (Originally Posted: 06/13/2013)
I'll be a senior in the Fall. Sadly, I was unable to secure an IB internship for this summer and will be doing research on campus instead. My question is: Do any firms offer internships for the summer after graduation?
Yes, cheap labor is always welcome... I did an IB internship after graduation... look for small boutiques, they would love to enslave students and recent grads...
Just start networking for full time IB recruiting, and don't give up
Thanks for the feedback guys. Didn't find this site early enough to find anything in IB for this summer, coming from an SEC school.
Applying for an internship after you've already graduated ? (Originally Posted: 02/12/2012)
What are the odds of getting an interview or even looked at if you apply for a summer internship after you've already graduated? or is it a complete waste of time?
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
What about going back to school and extending graduation?
If he's extending to Dec I'd say it wouldn't even be worth it.. Most of the SA recruiting is wrapping up I think. Of course, if the money really isn't an issue I'd extend grad for the hell of it
I forgot to mention i graduated in 2010 lol and have been working full time since, jus not in IB/S&T/Research....
Then you can try to apply for the "Summer Associate program", but it's mainly for MBA's..
Summer analyst post-grad? (Originally Posted: 07/11/2007)
I'll be graduating from a target school (UVA) next year, with a (tentatively) 3.6 in Econ. I've done internships this summer and the last, though not in the finance field (state government).
I'm wondering how hard it is to crack into I-banking without finance internships--I'm not shooting for GS or Morgan Stanley or anything, I would be very happy with MM. I am guessing it will be tough, so I am wondering if it might be easier for someone in my position to try and land a summer analyst gig, with the intention of turning it into a full-time job offer down the line. Is this unheard of? Any thoughts?
not unheard of...one of the dudes who was a summer in 06 at my firm had already graduated...his plan was to do a one-year masters after the summer and then start fulltime work...
Final year UK student (non-target), non-relevant experience, do I apply for internships or graduate jobs? (Originally Posted: 10/11/2014)
I'm really busy looking at companies, fixing up my CV, prepping cover letters, but still don't know exactly what to do. I'm shooting for ER/IBD (unless you happen to know for a fact there are other departments looking to hire a lot of people?), and I'm worried about not having a foot in there yet. I have a F500 accounting/cost controlling industrial placement (1 year) behind me, and two other irrelevant internships. Have you been in this sort of situation? What do I do, apply for full time or focus on internships? How would banks view applying for both within their institution?
Apply for a master's in finance at a top school. Will position you much better (if you have time to take the necessary tests of course).
Final year graduate student from Europe, dilemma: Apply for FT or SA (+ Bschool)? (Originally Posted: 07/07/2015)
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Apply for SA, there are way more spots.
Final Year graduate student in Europa, apply for SA or FT IBD in London? (Originally Posted: 07/22/2015)
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be considered for SA simply because of your age. Don't immediately decide you have to go to business school and be buried in more student loans either. If you're going to be in Asia, you can also network there? Either way, I would just continue to be aggressively networking
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