Nov 21, 2024

Rated Feeders

Just read the Bloomberg article about insurers and how they are using a new product called “rated feeders”. When you google it barely anything comes up and it sounds like very niche. I was wondering if they are basically private debt CLO’s, again idk just trying to figure it out and get a better grasp

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's what you need to know about CLOs and their relation to private debt:

  1. CLO Analysts vs. Public Credit HF:

    • CLO analysts often focus on company fundamentals, industry conditions, and leverage ratios, holding loans for extended periods.
    • Public credit hedge funds (HFs) engage in more dynamic strategies, including game theory, capital structure arbitrage, and trading in and out of situations fluidly.
  2. CLOs and Loan Management:

    • CLO shops typically buy loans at par and hold them, whereas some shops might manage both HF and CLO names, allowing for more frequent swapping of candidates in their CLO book.
  3. CLOs in the Market:

    • CLOs have impacted the cost of capital and spreads offered by lenders. Issues have arisen with post-close loan servicing and asset management due to the rigid structure imposed by securitization.
  4. CLOs and Market Conditions:

    • There is a concern that CLOs could face significant issues similar to the 2008 MBS/CDO/CDS crisis, with rating agencies already downgrading a portion of loans in CLOs.
  5. Private Credit and Direct Lending:

    • Private credit funds are seeing increased capital allocation from pension funds and other investors. The market is becoming crowded, with many funds offering multiple strategies to differentiate themselves.
  6. Credit Quality Spectrum:

    • Credit quality ranges from investment-grade (IG) with loose covenants to high yield (HY) and distressed credits, which require more intensive fundamental analysis and complex covenant packages.

If you need more specific information about "rated feeders," it might be beneficial to look into specialized financial publications or industry reports that cover niche financial products.

Sources: Private Credit -> Public Credit Exits?, What are the different types of Credit?, Q&A: Currently at a Credit Hedge Fund, https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/credit/private-credit-will-it-hold-up?customgpt=1, Debt Funds & CLOs

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You create an SPV that become an LP in a private credit fund. Instead of fully committing as an LP (wherein the entire LP commitment is treated as equity and hit with a 45% cap charge for insurance companies), you create an SPV which issues debt + equity which you as the insurer purchase, bringing down the blended cap charge and this SPV then invests as an LP in the private credit fund. 

It's just a BS capital charge arb strategy. From the insurers perspective there's little to no difference in investing in a private credit fund directly vs thru a RF structure, you just get yourself to a lower capital charge via RF. That's why NAIC is going after them because it's a glorified loophole. 

It's like me being a fixed income investor that needs to hold 95%+ of AUM in fixed income, 5% max allocation to equity, so I just create an SPV to buy $100M of Nvidia stock that issues $99M debt, $1M equity and I buy all of it. Sure, technically I fall within my concentration limits but obviously I'm effectively just taking full equity risk and this is nothing more than a loophole

 

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