IB vs ER comp
What kind of discount can I expect in comp progression by undertaking a career in ER rather than IB? (Feel free to outline potential comp progression in ER)
What kind of discount can I expect in comp progression by undertaking a career in ER rather than IB? (Feel free to outline potential comp progression in ER)
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It's a bit of a reverse barbell. Gap at junior levels is smaller. Then quickly gets larger, then narrows again for the most senior guys. But the average ER guy probably makes like 25-50% less than an average IB guy.
Just like IB, comp in ER quickly becomes extremely varied as you pass VPish.
Would you say that in order to have a similar comp you need to jump to HF asap? Or is it lower also in that case?
I guess so... Wouldn't take hedge funds as a guarantee of higher comp. Obviously there's more volatility on that side.
I don’t think the gap narrows for senior people at all. The average IB md is making significantly more than the average Er md. Of course some superstar analysts command big bux, but get gap is big for average performers
I said narrows, not closes. They're still making more, undebatable. But IB comp ramps a lot faster than ER. From what I understand, and maybe I'm wrong, it can catch up a little at more senior levels when the ER guy actually has some pull. But only catch up, definitely not close.
Idk I worked as an associate for 4-5 years before getting a high 6 figure to low 7 figure offer at a smaller shop to lead coverage. Ultimately left for a HF.
Thanks for sharing! Just for curiosity are you located in the US or in Europe?
US I got very lucky to be in a hot market
Curious why you made the decision and how it’s panned out
High six to low 7 is much higher than median comp for HF analysts, and even more so when risk adjusting
Biotech pays man - I could always go back to the SS why not try
I am not typically on here to fact check what other people say. That being said, what do you mean by associate? A sell-side associate would typically make meaningfully less than $500k. I can see how a smaller shop is more willing to offer coverage but at the same time there aren't many small shops that can dish out 7 figures to someone with 4-5 years of experience. The switch to a HF at that point also seems weird when you have no buy-side experience and are already banking 7 figures. It is hard for me to see how a HF can possibly match that level of compensation without a proven track record. Unless you have a PHD or something or a lot more experience than the 4-5 years as an associate, I find the numbers to be very questionable.
Biotech brother… I was vp when I switched to getting coverage
As an analyst (confusingly, in ER, the lowest rank is called “associate”), the base is the same, but IB receives an equal-to-larger bonus. If deal flow is negligible and bonuses aren’t meaningful, an IB first-year might get ~40% and an ER first-year might get ~20%. In a better year, an IB first-year might get ~80% and an ER first-year might get ~50%. All in all, expect it to be maybe $135K in ER and $160K in IB, all-in. With an equal signing bonus, maybe $145K in ER and $170K in IB, all-in including sign-on.
This gap widens through the associate phase. IB bonuses grow closer to 100%, ER bonuses never really get far above 50%. ER associates in years 3-6 should expect comp in the $200Ks, whereas, in IB, they can be earning $100K more. That’s when the difference really gets you.
At the VP level, comp can catch up a little bit (proportionally) if you’re a standout ER VP. If not, it doesn’t. It’s hard to put exact numbers on this, as it’s so person-to-person and year-to-year, but an ER VP in that “in between” stage when they’re covering 4-5 names and also working under an MD can maybe make ~$300-400Kish, whereas a VP in IB might earn ~$500-600K.
Among MDs, it really depends. From my understanding, not so great ER MDs earn mid six figures, ER MDs in solid sectors with good reputations might earn high six figures or low seven figures, but it takes a standout ER MD to earn more than a couple to a few million each year…which is what a mediocre IB MD will make. But for a top IB MD…they can easily rack up tens of millions each year.
So, basically, IB starts out earning maybe ~20% more all-in for first or second years, which grows to ~33% more as an associate and VP, and ~50%+ more (but can grow to 100 or 200% more for standouts) as an MD. However, if you’re a top performer or in a top ER group, these differences can be smaller.
Assume you’ll probably make ~25-50% more before exiting, for the “average person” in these tracks, in IB. If you’re in an intense ER group, this will make you angry, lol. Understand that the reason for this is that IB brings in revenue directly, whereas ER does so partially in the form of fees from investors, but often, indirectly by offering coverage in exchange for banking deals.
One sliver lining for research, though… I do think you’ll have more meaningful responsibilities earlier on, and so if you’re diligent, you can possibly exit to the buy side earlier, and, in the long run, make just as much. But you have to be really good in order to do this, whereas a mediocre IB analyst can go through the motions and score a decent PE role in the end.
One “anti-silver lining” for research, though… if you’re in a hot sector, the hours are probably just as bad if not worse than in a mediocre IB sector, and you’re not compensated for that in terms of pay or exits. This can be infuriating.
One “neutral” for research … bank matters less, analyst (MD) you work under matters more, both in terms of exits, learning, and culture-setting. In ER, there’s no “what’s X bank like,” it is all about your MD. An II-ranked team at Jefferies is more “bulge bracket”-esque than a low-performing team at Goldman, and your hours, comp (as you get more senior), and exits will reflect that.
this is US comp though?
Europe ER is a discount at senior levels, even moreso than banking due to its structural challenges in europe
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