Credit HF Path

Hi All - I am a current FIG IB analyst looking to break into the credit HF space and have a few questions.

1) would it be better for me to A) go straight to a credit HF if possible B) go to some hybrid value / special sits / tac opps PE shop or C) what do you guys think about moving internally at my bank and going to Distressed Credit Research after IB?

Thank you all would appreciate any advice!

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here’s a breakdown of your options and advice for breaking into the credit HF space:

1. Option A: Go Straight to a Credit HF

  • Pros:
    • Direct entry into the space you’re targeting.
    • You’ll gain immediate exposure to credit investing strategies, including distressed, special situations, and performing credit.
    • If you’re confident about your long-term interest in credit HFs, this is the most efficient path.
  • Cons:
    • Breaking in directly can be challenging without prior credit-specific experience (e.g., restructuring (RX), leveraged finance (LevFin), or credit research).
    • You may need to demonstrate strong modeling skills, an understanding of credit instruments (e.g., bonds, loans), and knowledge of distressed investing concepts like payment waterfalls, guarantees, and subordination.

2. Option B: Hybrid Value / Special Sits / Tac Opps PE Shop

  • Pros:
    • These roles often provide a mix of public and private market exposure, which can be valuable for credit HFs.
    • You’ll develop skills in distressed investing, loan-to-own strategies, and complex deal structuring, which are highly transferable to credit HFs.
    • PE shops with a focus on special situations or tactical opportunities often have a strong overlap with credit HF strategies.
  • Cons:
    • Transitioning from PE to a credit HF may take longer, as you’ll need to position yourself as a credit-focused candidate.
    • PE roles may involve longer deal cycles and less exposure to public market investing, which could be a disadvantage if you’re targeting liquid credit HFs.

3. Option C: Move Internally to Distressed Credit Research

  • Pros:
    • This is a great stepping stone if you’re unable to move directly to a credit HF.
    • You’ll gain hands-on experience with distressed credit, restructuring processes, and credit analysis, which are highly relevant to credit HFs.
    • Internal moves within your bank may be easier to secure than external opportunities.
  • Cons:
    • While this path builds relevant skills, it may not offer the same breadth of experience as a credit HF or special sits PE role.
    • You’ll still need to network and position yourself for a transition to the buy-side.

Recommendation

  • If you have the opportunity to go directly to a credit HF, take it. This is the most direct route to your goal and allows you to start building relevant experience immediately.
  • If that’s not feasible, Option B (special sits/tac opps PE) is a strong alternative, especially if the shop has a credit-heavy focus. This will give you a mix of skills that are highly valued by credit HFs.
  • Option C (Distressed Credit Research) is a solid fallback if neither of the above options is available. It’s a good way to build relevant expertise and position yourself for a future move to a credit HF.

Additional Tips

  • Networking: Leverage your FIG IB background to connect with professionals in credit HFs, PE shops, and distressed credit teams. Networking is critical for breaking into the buy-side.
  • Skill Development: Focus on building expertise in credit modeling, understanding distressed investing concepts, and staying updated on market trends in leveraged loans and high-yield bonds.
  • Resources: Consider reading Distressed Debt Analysis by Stephen Moyer, as it’s often recommended for those entering the credit space.

Good luck with your transition! If you have more specific questions, feel free to ask.

Sources: Q&A: Currently at a Credit Hedge Fund, Private Equity vs Megafund Credit, Automation in fundamental finance roles

I'm an AI bot trained on the most helpful WSO content across 17+ years.
 

Will let others chime in on other parts of the q, but I would caution against joining a mm pod. The money is made in distressed / liability management situations so having a drawdown-sensitive leash makes it tricky. I would think the best path is to go for a credit fund (think Oaktree, Arini) that “gets it.”

 
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Totally disagree…and I respect Arini a lot and my set up and investing style a lot closer to them (have duration etc). On a committee or two with them right now.

You can make low double digit (10-15%) a year which is better than 90% of pure deep distressed funds just by buying things that are performing stressed (8.5-12% ytw) and bet on earnings or event catalyst. Pods are set up best to do this. even now if you have strong view on orcl you can make 25%+ on back end bonds (investment grade) will be fine and won’t issue too much more debt on balance sheet. Same w coreweave bonds. Neither has any lme risk in next 12 months.

The deep distress LME trades have worked maybe 10-20% of the time (though in those cases if you picked correctly, you made a killing). LUMN, SFRFP, SATS, Bausch Health, a handful of healthcare services names that crushed in 23/24.

But on other hand there are exponentially more LMEs that look like Platinum portapotty rollup, dental roll up blow ups, packaging disasters, and 100% of Clearlake/Platinum/AmSec portfolio which is entirely turdco (somehow they’ve found a way to only buy companies whose revenue declines). The only alpha made on these sorts LMEs, even with great timing, is negative alpha. LME is stop before bk but can’t get off moving train w how illiquid credit is.

No process monkeying / being tight w advisors can fix fact a biz sucks and fundamentals get worse each quarter post lme. And good luck getting out of a chunky post lme loan without moving price down (big guys selling never good sign). 

There are at least 3 pods that pay more than Arini and consistently put up better investments. I’d join those instead.

merry xmas
 

 

The pod point is fascinating. I am at one of the scaled, old school credit funds (Canyon, DK, King Street, etc) and didn't know there were some actually good pods in credit not just flipping new issue. I am less than 1yr in so still getting lay of land.

 

I think coreweave and oracle are interesting longs too. but technicals are tough and everyone just staying short and adding to their shorts (at least oracle since it still looks cheap to tourists.

And the coreweave bull / bear debate won’t be settled for 4 years

 

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Totally disagree…and I respect Arini a lot and my set up and investing style a lot closer to them (have duration etc). On a committee or two with them right now.

You can make low double digit (10-15%) a year which is better than 90% of pure deep distressed funds just by buying things that are performing stressed (8.5-12% ytw) and bet on earnings or event catalyst. Pods are set up best to do this. even now if you have strong view on orcl you can make 25%+ on back end bonds (investment grade) will be fine and won’t issue too much more debt on balance sheet. Same w coreweave bonds. Neither has any lme risk in next 12 months.

The deep distress LME trades have worked maybe 10-20% of the time (though in those cases if you picked correctly, you made a killing). LUMN, SFRFP, SATS, Bausch Health, a handful of healthcare services names that crushed in 23/24.

But on other hand there are exponentially more LMEs that look like Platinum portapotty rollup, dental roll up blow ups, packaging disasters, and 100% of Clearlake/Platinum/AmSec portfolio which is entirely turdco (somehow they’ve found a way to only buy companies whose revenue declines). The only alpha made on these sorts LMEs, even with great timing, is negative alpha. LME is stop before bk but can’t get off moving train w how illiquid credit is.

No process monkeying / being tight w advisors can fix fact a biz sucks and fundamentals get worse each quarter post lme. And good luck getting out of a chunky post lme loan without moving price down (big guys selling never good sign). 

There are at least 3 pods that pay more than Arini and consistently put up better investments. I’d join those instead.

merry xmas
 

Very helpful comment - are you able to provide a bit more colour on the pods you allude to as well as how these compare (or considerations) to (i) larger credit HF seats (likes of DK, CBP, Farallon, King Street, Blantyre, CQS etc.) and (ii) smaller start-up HF seats (spin-offs that have c. $750-2bn AuM but just starting, with ~3-6 investment professionals)

 

As an incoming FIG analyst with similar goals, thanks for posting this lol. A few questions for someone 1-2 years behind you:

Could I ask what sector within FIG you cover? Is there more merit being on something like banks/spec fin for those funds that will buy NPLs from specfins, or FTWAM/fintech so you are seen as more generalist?

 Have you had hh's reach out for credit HF/special sits type roles at all? I'm guessing this would depend more on the level of your bank but presumably you are not at GS/MS/JPM FIG if theres a distressed credit desk at your bank so wondering how hard it is to get those opps.

 

The pods have: zero downside protection, zero career development, minimal ability to be illiquid and absorb vol in real cycles with few exceptions. It’s a horrible career decision to begin in credit at one of those places.

 

The vol can be hedged cheaply. 

Career dev: not sure what you’re looking for. The goal is to be a better investor / make money. That can be best learnt in a seat with a smaller team, not a bureaucracy.

Liquidity: most pods in this game understand credit not nearly as liquid as equities. This does limit position sizes to some degree in certain illiquid issuers but the money the past few years has been disproportionally made in more liquid issuers and lost in the illiquid.

 

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