implementation research vs algo trader
I recently got a QR intern offer from Quant AM(one of AQR/Acadian/Panagora/BLK/Geode..etc) the team is is more of Implementation research where they focus on tax aware execution, market impact, TCA, portfolio construction..etc. I got the impression that the team is not that related to actual alpha research for trading, but more of nich position/central team so I am quite confused about the prospect of this career.
Would this internship still open doors for me for actual QR in multistrat/MM Hedgefunds full time position? Or even if I start my FT career in this field, am I able to pivot to the MMHFs Pods, or multistrats QR positions?(like BAM/MLP/Citadel,.. 2Sig..etc) or would I be pigeonholed to this equity Implementation Research field?
I'm struggling to make decision, given I have another offer from Major BB, in FICC E-trading desk, it's algo trader position so would be running systematic strategies on those products, which to me, sounds for relevent to pivot to Macro HFs or other Prop shops looking to expand their mandate to FICC area, which I beleive they are actively looking into.
I want to ask for advice which would be the more relevant/direct role for for recruiting either in FT or experienced positions to pivot for major HFs investing position or Prop shops trader position.
Obviously the name value/prestige would be better for these AMs, given it's a major buyside shops but I want to make more informed decisions .
Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's how you can think about your decision:
Implementation Research Role at Quant AM:
Algo Trader Role at Major BB (FICC E-Trading Desk):
Key Considerations:
Recommendation:
If your ultimate goal is to pivot to major hedge funds (e.g., Citadel, Millennium, Two Sigma) or prop shops as a trader or QR, the algo trader role at the BB FICC E-Trading Desk is the more relevant and direct path. It aligns better with the skills and experience these firms value, giving you a stronger foundation for future opportunities.
Sources: Allianz Global Investors Graduate Programme vs IB?, How to be a Millionaire Trader, A Response to "Which desk is best?" Type Questions... Please Read Before Posting, Best internships for Quant Trading?, RE: Prop/Quant Trading - Why is it not as big a target as Investment Banking?
Bump for generous advice..
I don't think it's obvious that the brand name helps here. This is not an industry where brand name helps as much as relevance of the work done. Coming from someone who works at an AM in an alpha research role, I think you should take the Bank e-trading internship given your goals.
Thanks for you response!
Yeah I did get the impression during this recruiting cycle that hedge funds, even for the internship picks the candidate for interview only if the candidate has some interesting experience relevent to their field. Actually my offer is from major balance sheet banks in US, mainly trading Short Term IR, to you think E-trader in this field, would be able to open doors for E-trading pods in HF or Props in the near future? I'm a bit worried cuz I heard the transition to sell-side risk trader -> buy side trader would be getting progressively harder and harder.
I don't know how hard it will be, but this is an internship right? You should absolutely recruit HF and prop shops for FT. AFAIK, your other option in asset management will probably not help you as much as the bank internship. I don't know how easy or hard it would be to pivot into a buy-side role, that's something to find out during your internship. What you could do now is figure out whether there is a precedent for people on that desk to switch to buy-side?
You're absolutely right. I ended up taking this bank FO position given it's the actual risk trading job and would open doors (seen so many people exiting to systematic macro funds), and given your advice the the buyside option I have won't really be meaningfully helpful for FT recruiting compared to this.
Thanks for your advice.
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