Is it possible for L/S equity pods at MMs to take long term views on stocks?

I was having a discussion with someone about the pod shop industry and I asked him a question about whether L/S equity pods at a Millennium or Citadel could take long-term views on stocks (ie. you think Walmart is 35% undervalued now and think the market will realize this in 1-2 years).


I figured that the pressure to call quarters and the tight drawdown limits prevented PMs from taking longer term calls but he insisted they could, even if the company missed earnings for the near-term quarters. Obviously, each pod will have varying drawdown agreements and different strategies but can anyone confirm if this is generally true or not?

 
Most Helpful

A thesis at a pod shop wouldn’t really be framed that way. You wouldn’t have a singular catalyst/idea that you think would move the stock that way over x years. 

I interned with a PM that took pride in their team looking more thematically at their coverage and having a strong fundamental long term perspective on the stocks they trade relative to other pods…they were still modelling out gross margin progression/whatever price volume thesis they had for top line to get a beat/miss on EPS relative to consensus each quarter though

as I understand it, they would try have a strong big picture idea on what thematics/macro story will shape the tides over the next 2 years but really dive into the unit economics/key debate that is relevant for the quarter’s print so they can position accordingly.

Maybe it’s something like hardware into software and there’s a TAM calculation that’s been done and this will play out over x years. You can’t bet directly on that like you can at a long/only, but you can use this to colour your revenue build by segment and understand how unit economics are going to be impacted each quarter as this plays out. 

All this filters into a better EPS/EBITDA/whatever on the print Vs the Street
 

 

Magni sequi reiciendis natus repudiandae et in sint. Culpa optio id et unde accusamus nam.

Career Advancement Opportunities

April 2024 Hedge Fund

  • Point72 98.9%
  • D.E. Shaw 97.9%
  • Citadel Investment Group 96.8%
  • Magnetar Capital 95.8%
  • AQR Capital Management 94.7%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

April 2024 Hedge Fund

  • Magnetar Capital 98.9%
  • D.E. Shaw 97.8%
  • Blackstone Group 96.8%
  • Two Sigma Investments 95.7%
  • Citadel Investment Group 94.6%

Professional Growth Opportunities

April 2024 Hedge Fund

  • AQR Capital Management 99.0%
  • Point72 97.9%
  • D.E. Shaw 96.9%
  • Magnetar Capital 95.8%
  • Citadel Investment Group 94.8%

Total Avg Compensation

April 2024 Hedge Fund

  • Portfolio Manager (9) $1,648
  • Vice President (23) $474
  • Director/MD (12) $423
  • NA (6) $322
  • 3rd+ Year Associate (24) $287
  • Manager (4) $282
  • Engineer/Quant (71) $274
  • 2nd Year Associate (30) $251
  • 1st Year Associate (73) $190
  • Analysts (225) $179
  • Intern/Summer Associate (22) $131
  • Junior Trader (5) $102
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (250) $85
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”