No job offer after quitting without anything lined up... should I be concerned?
Hi all,
I recently left a MMHF pod due to my PM's behaviours towards me. I had only been with the fund for 6 months when I asked to be moved to a different pod with no luck given there's only one other pod trading the same asset class. I knew it is not advisable to quit without anything lined up but my PM did something that really crossed the line. I did report the behaviours to HR and got some severance for that. I am now ready to move on to my next role.
However, the situation has been more difficult than I had expected even if I only look at the sell side. Before MMHF, I spent 4 years at a BB. I noticed that my skills are extremely non-transferable and unless the job is my specific asset class and specific function, I usually won't get an interview. I tried other HFs too.
Unlike others I saw on the forum, I only get into one new process every month on average (6 processes so far as I started 6 months ago. 3 rejections already). I suppose this is because IB skills are more transferable than S&T skills, but at the same time I am very concerned as the potential job pool is so small that I might not get into many new processes in the next few months. My severance will run out in 5 months. Very anxious about not having too many interviews.
For people who have gone through the process, I'd really appreciate if you could give me some advice. Is one job per month a warning sign? Are there other things I could do?
no it's just a slow market. I think you should be fine. Just keep going.
I went through something similar. Pod blew up after 3 months. And things got tense between me and my PM during the drawdown. We are now on great terms but during that time, and for several years after I quit, I had a different perspective.
It took me a year to land back on my feet in a good role. Wasnt ideal. Had to rely on my network on the buyside, which i only became comfortable after a while (felt like soiled goods after I quit).
If I could go back in time, I would have asked for help earlier. And would have worked with good headhunter.
If you have 2-5 years of HF experience, I would personally be concerned about not getting more interviews tbh… that’s usually the sweet spot for getting repodded either internally or landing at another shop. I was in a similar situation earlier in my career and was pleasantly surprised at the outcome (two offers in six weeks and one late stage process that would have converted). Before I get MS for this I get things are seasonal, times may have changed, and luck plays a role so absolutely YMMV… Did you enjoy the day-to-day and could you see yourself doing this another 10 years? If not, this could be a good opportunity to change tracks and do something outside the industry. Lots of former peers left and ended up doing rewarding things
No one give this guy any advice until he gives some color on the crazy crap the PM did.
Let’s stop normalizing helping people when they consistently leave out the most interesting parts of their story.
Never posts financial comp, crazy toxic workplace behavior or interesting life incidents. It’s ridiculous. I’m the only that posts anything interesting about their life.
C’mon OP it’s an anonymous forum.
What the hell did the PM do for you to get extra severance?
Kid is trying to cope w life and not take incremental risks and we are helping him.
Let me rephrase - those in need do not need to be overly generous (with information, or any quid pro quo) to those who have the ability to give. if you feel differently do not reply. It is indeed a small enough industry and the situation sufficiently idio that word could get back. why risk it? I’d help you anyway and surely others will to
thanks for the reply - I believe the PM has a very bad reputation in the industry already (which I didn't know until after joining) and I have no intention of gossiping about them
Hey. I might have worked for the same PM. Is this the PM with a >200% turnover?
I think it’s unlikely - I’m the first (and hopefully last) analyst my PM has ever hired.
I just went through this - I also specialize in a somewhat niche asset class. It took me around 10 - 11 processes and I got runner up in 5 of these, which was pretty frustrating; over a year. It's just a really tough market environment and funds are generally on their back foot. You can always train a fresh junior instead of hiring an experienced hand.
I think the shelf life on people is around the ~1.5 year mark people start to ask questions and you may have to settle for a job to keep your hands in the game. I'd definitely say I can think of a few handfuls of people I know who kind of excited the game and never came back. It's ultimately a narrow field shaped like a pyramid.
Normal advice applies - keep your head up, keep good hobbies, see your friends. If you're a talented person you are going to do well in this world no matter what the industry. I'd say the thing I most enjoyed during my time away, even if it wasn't always fun, is exploring some of my hobbies and looking at businesses to buy in case jobs didn't work out. I'd also keep your mind open to other jobs - LO, family office, etc.
Which asset class ?
niche strategy under rates/fx
unfortunately i went through something similar. Reputable MM where I despised the PM i worked under. thoroughly a bad person. despite the fact that you may be 100% right in your actions, finance types are cynical and your CV/story will carry a negative stigma. due to nondisclosures, unless there is a direct line to your former team, people will have to speculate as to whether you were pushed out, underperformed. If you are difficult to work with, etc. it took me a year to land elsewhere. echo statement above on casting wide net. take every meeting. i received offers that were below my market value and declined several. that became increasingly difficult as my time out of market grew longer. I ultimately couldn't stomach allowing people to exploit someone in a difficult situation. had i taken one of those, i likely would have left after a year bc I would have had a sour taste in my mouth and the relationship would have started on the wrong foot.
I wouldn’t treat one process a month as a disaster, especially given how specialized your background is. The bigger issue is probably the narrowness of the roles you’re targeting. I’d widen the search slightly around the asset class and function, while making the story around your move very clear. I’d also spend more time networking with PMs, analysts and recruiters rather than relying only on posted roles. In a market where your experience is highly specialized, even tools like Phonexa can be useful for keeping track of outreach and lead sources, so I’d approach the job search with the same kind of structured pipeline.
I noticed that those jobs that slightly mismatch my asset class/function usually don't give me a chance to interview. I'm happy to move asset classes and functions but it doesn't seem they are interested in my profile...
These days the talent/BD people decide who gets interviews for every role in any sizeable firm of 100+ people. They will only pass your resume if it has the exact combination of keywords and previous title they were told to look for by the PM, and these had to have come up in their linkedin/workday/greenhouse matching algorithm. Even a referral cannot circumvent this division unless that referral was from a senior executive.
I hear you. Just trying to chime in with some thoughts from an Outsider perspective having read the above thread and hopefully can help push the ball forward. You mention your skills are not transferable and the current market doesn’t seem so welcoming for your skillset. Maybe learning new skills or upgrading your skills could help your ability to make money in the current employment market. Not sure the value you could bring to employers unless it’s seemingly the two places you worked at prior who don’t seem to value you / your skills as much as you would like. Either way, good luck I hope things work out well soon.
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