SM HF from UMM PE Fund
I have ~3 YOE at a MM/UMM PE fund (think AEA, AmSec, TowerBrook) and am considering a pivot given fundraising/investment strategy (industry). One path I'm exploring is moving to the public markets. I don't think MM is a good fit for my personality, so targeting SMs.
Would appreciate thoughts on the following as I'm starting my search:
- Feasibility with my background: Most of the profiles I see online are ex. MF or post b-school. Do any SM firms look at non-MF backgrounds for their analysts? Before PE I was in MBB and undergrad @ HYPSW.
- FWIW, not interested in using b-school as a way to switch (big $ at risk to possibly strike out on recruiting for roles I can probably muscle my way into now)
- Recruiting/headhunters: Are headhunters the main avenue to find these gigs? Primarily Dynamics and Ratio? Mercury (lol)? I've probably seen only 1-2 SM roles from the HHs since I started in PE, but I've indicated interest to headhunters in the past
- Fit: What are the traits that indicate whether I'd be a better fit in the public markets? Admittedly, I'm not someone who reads 10-ks in my free time, nor did I run a $2,000 book with my high school savings. My current rationale is: (a) I did some carveout/take-private work and really enjoyed it (partially because I felt like we were creating an investment thesis from scratch, as opposed to massaging content from a CIM into an IC deck), (b) I don't love the artificial deadlines that are inherent in PE auctions, (c) I think I'd prefer the near-term compensation opportunity that comes from annual carry payouts.
- Timing/optionality: Is there a point where I've gone too far into PE to move into a HF? Said differently, if I were to do a few more years in PE at another firm that's more aligned with my industry interests, would I be able to re-recruit for HF roles?
I used to work in PE and now work in a HF.
Thanks. Super helpful. I take it you're generally happy you left PE and went to your fund?
The top 10b+ AUM SMs probably won't give you looks (a lot of them even discriminate between top and not top MFs) but the number of those seats is so low it doesn't really matter.
Lots of regular 250m - 2b aum funds will give you looks. problem is most people feel sunk cost after doing pe and want one of the best funds that you can only get after doing 2+2 and are dissapointed when they cant get them / have to settle for a job they probably could have gotten out of banking without the pain of pe
Thanks -what’s Y1/2/3 comp at one of these smaller SMs assuming normal market conditions?
Is the strategy really to cold LinkedIn dm these HFs? Fees like a low hit rate approach to recruiting
“Lots of regular 250m-2bn aum funds” lol how are you even grouping funds in those two extremes together… one is on the edge of being subscale, the other is at scale.
What’s a “non regular” fund now? The handful of 10bn+ SMs that IB/PE guys dream of and MMs?
IB guy leading a PE guy.. blind leading the blind
My title is old, I am at a SM HF (did, IB, then, PE, then HF).
250mm is big enough to be a scaled stable seat. I know people at 250mm hedge funds that have longer track records, more stable LP bases and pay analysts more than some of my friends at 2bn AUM funds. It depends on the strategy.
Yes, by definition, non-regular means anomolous. There are less than 25 (maybe even less than 15) 10bn+ SM AUM seats. Those are not regular seats. They are the exception.
There are hundreds of 250mm-2bn quality stable funds / seats. I get inbounds regularly for those jobs. They are good jobs.
Y1 comp at a regular / market hedge fund is ~250-350k for entry level post-banking / post-pe analyst role. At the 10bn+ SMs its 500k-1mm.
As an incoming UMM PE associate (starting this summer) I will be making $300k+ as a first year associate
I am definitely interested in HFs and a good SM seat has always been the goal but how do you justify leaving the PE comp for 250-350k comp at a HF? That just feels so low not even worth considering no?
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