SM HF from UMM PE Fund

I have ~3 YOE at a MM/UMM PE fund (think AEA, AmSec, TowerBrook) and am considering a pivot given fundraising/investment strategy (industry). One path I'm exploring is moving to the public markets. I don't think MM is a good fit for my personality, so targeting SMs. 

Would appreciate thoughts on the following as I'm starting my search:

  1. Feasibility with my background: Most of the profiles I see online are ex. MF or post b-school. Do any SM firms look at non-MF backgrounds for their analysts? Before PE I was in MBB and undergrad @ HYPSW.
    1. FWIW, not interested in using b-school as a way to switch (big $ at risk to possibly strike out on recruiting for roles I can probably muscle my way into now)
  2. Recruiting/headhunters: Are headhunters the main avenue to find these gigs? Primarily Dynamics and Ratio? Mercury (lol)? I've probably seen only 1-2 SM roles from the HHs since I started in PE, but I've indicated interest to headhunters in the past
  3. Fit: What are the traits that indicate whether I'd be a better fit in the public markets? Admittedly, I'm not someone who reads 10-ks in my free time, nor did I run a $2,000 book with my high school savings. My current rationale is: (a) I did some carveout/take-private work and really enjoyed it (partially because I felt like we were creating an investment thesis from scratch, as opposed to massaging content from a CIM into an IC deck), (b) I don't love the artificial deadlines that are inherent in PE auctions, (c) I think I'd prefer the near-term compensation opportunity that comes from annual carry payouts.  
  4. Timing/optionality: Is there a point where I've gone too far into PE to move into a HF? Said differently, if I were to do a few more years in PE at another firm that's more aligned with my industry interests, would I be able to re-recruit for HF roles?
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I used to work in PE and now work in a HF.

  1. Do any SM firms look at non-MF backgrounds for their analysts? Yes. There are a bunch of SM founders who came from PE backgrounds themselves, so they could be more open to analysts with PE backgrounds.
  2. Recruiting / headhunters. I did not get my position from PE to HF via a headhunters. HHs are more inclined to show employers very relevant profiles, so HHs might be more reluctant to show your profile. That said, your profile is quite "prestigious" so its still possible. But I recommend you to search for SM funds with founders from ex-PE backgrounds and network your way in.
  3. Fit.
    1. If you don't like creating IC decks, then probably yeah there is much less IC deck creating here. Personally I also hated the deal origination part of PE. But you kind of need to have a passion for markets, else you will hate this job after multiple earnings seasons. Do you do any personal investing? If you are interviewing for any public markets role, you will most likely be asked to pitch multiple long/short stock ideas. If you say you have no ideas or you don't have any companies that you are personally tracking, then that would be a big problem. The skillset in PE and HFs is quite similar, but I think you need to spend some time thinking which is a better fit for your personality.
    2. If you don't love the artificial deadlines, then you might hate this because the "deadlines" can be much shorter. E.g. you might need to quickly figure out the EPS impact when any relevant news hits the tape. You think this earnings season is over? The next earnings season is coming up next.
    3. You will only get the annual near-term compensation opportunity if your fund actually performs. If you don't have any passion for this and don't do well, you probably won't get paid. That said you could be a stock genius, I really don't know.
  4. Timing / optionality. The older you get the harder it is to make a switch. It is still possible, especially if you can make yourself out to be an industry / sector expert. It just gets harder, but its not impossible. 
 

The top 10b+ AUM SMs probably won't give you looks (a lot of them even discriminate between top and not top MFs) but the number of those seats is so low it doesn't really matter.

Lots of regular 250m - 2b aum funds will give you looks. problem is most people feel sunk cost after doing pe and want one of the best funds that you can only get after doing 2+2 and are dissapointed when they cant get them / have to settle for a job they probably could have gotten out of banking without the pain of pe

 

My title is old, I am at a SM HF (did, IB, then, PE, then HF). 

250mm is big enough to be a scaled stable seat. I know people at 250mm hedge funds that have longer track records, more stable LP bases and pay analysts more than some of my friends at 2bn AUM funds. It depends on the strategy.

Yes, by definition, non-regular means anomolous. There are less than 25 (maybe even less than 15) 10bn+ SM AUM seats. Those are not regular seats. They are the exception.

There are hundreds of 250mm-2bn quality stable funds / seats. I get inbounds regularly for those jobs. They are good jobs.

Y1 comp at a regular / market hedge fund is ~250-350k for entry level post-banking / post-pe analyst role. At the 10bn+ SMs its 500k-1mm.      

 

As an incoming UMM PE associate (starting this summer) I will be making $300k+ as a first year associate

I am definitely interested in HFs and a good SM seat has always been the goal but how do you justify leaving the PE comp for 250-350k comp at a HF? That just feels so low not even worth considering no?

 
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