yep feel the same way bro. Worked so hard to try and get SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE and it kind of feels like a spit in the face when they don't even call you for even a 15 minute call to give you the chance to answer "why [insert bank]".... a question that i'm sure we've all have prepared and never got the chance to answer
Just keep networking. Plenty of opportunities will come up between now and next summer (headcount changes, analyst leaves early, etc). However, a lot of these openings will probably be filled through existing networks.
Try to apply to "regional offices", Try Dubai or Madrid....I know few banks often recruit, such as Barclays, Bank of America, JPMorgan, Citi, Standard Chartered.
Even MO/BO roles are extremely thin this year... Had a couple FO interviews pre covid but didn’t get superday. Now nothing. No FO/MO/BO/F500 . Absolutely nothing except rejection letters that appear a few a week in my inbox if not more . Plenty of other firms have ghosted me entirely. It’s getting tough to remain confident.
You might want to run a mock interview with a friend that can give you honest feedback in addition you having your resume looked at. 30-40 apps is a lot for no 1st rounds.
"Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."
Once you're in IB it's much easier to move around than if you're not. Can't say much about Stephens specifically but I have friends and know of people that moved from MM shops to BB/EB pretty easily after summer or months into FT.
Hey man it's only October. HR at many banks are super backed up. I felt exactly how you do right now a year ago and now I am sitting on job offer starting in August at a strong MM bank on a good desk. Trust the process and stay positive. Don't go into superdays with that attitude.
I feel your pain it took me thousands of applications with probably a hit rate of 1% for me to get in IB. My situation turned out to leave me jobless at graduation and took another half year to find a job luckily with a well-known asset manager. IB came a few years later after Big 4. A very non-traditional route. It’s a grind surely, but at this point you should probably try and widen your net. And most importantly as I still firmly believe is your network that gets you through the door, the rest is on you. That’s the only thing that got me this far. Keep your chin up and realize when an L’s not salvageable, and readjust to get the W.
I feel you, and it's not a matter of being tough or not built for the process. It's very tough and if you're network is lacking, that's the first place to build if you're coming from a non-target. Much easier said than done in the Covid environment we're in now. I can't give advice on how best to network in this socially-lacking environment especially for a field like IB which is a very relationship-based business at the end of the day. But take your time to reflect on areas you think you can improve realistically, things will get better
Hey man, I completely get you. I had a first round way back in March and until September, it was just a string of no first round invites even with banks where I had multiple people pulling for me. What I did in the meantime was just keep on networking (although it felt so useless with no invites) and interview prepping, so when I did I get a shot, I wouldn't blow it. Just keep at it a lot of other MM's and boutiques are still recruiting
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Plenty of boutiques and lower tier MM IBs left. Don't give up.
Seen a few places like Lazard LA and SF still recruiting. Don't lose hope.
Forget the name of it but theres literally a thread about which banks are still recruiting.
can u paste the link to that thread? be appreciated
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/2021-ib-sa-recruiting-us-latest-…
Not everyone's cut out for it
It's tough but you never know when an opportunity will arise. Always be ready.
Luck is when opportunity meets preparation
yep feel the same way bro. Worked so hard to try and get SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE and it kind of feels like a spit in the face when they don't even call you for even a 15 minute call to give you the chance to answer "why [insert bank]".... a question that i'm sure we've all have prepared and never got the chance to answer
Just keep networking. Plenty of opportunities will come up between now and next summer (headcount changes, analyst leaves early, etc). However, a lot of these openings will probably be filled through existing networks.
Mood
Took me 3 years post undergrad to secure an offer. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get after it!
Can I message you?
Is it possible to go to a good PE in this scenario? I feel like if i want to do PE i would be fucked if i dont get this cycle?
Try to apply to "regional offices", Try Dubai or Madrid....I know few banks often recruit, such as Barclays, Bank of America, JPMorgan, Citi, Standard Chartered.
Dont worry son, you could always SHAVE YOUR HEAD and become a BUDDHIST MONK
ya it fucking sucks. worked my ass of networking and nothing
Even MO/BO roles are extremely thin this year... Had a couple FO interviews pre covid but didn’t get superday. Now nothing. No FO/MO/BO/F500 . Absolutely nothing except rejection letters that appear a few a week in my inbox if not more . Plenty of other firms have ghosted me entirely. It’s getting tough to remain confident.
F500s are mostly recruiting like normal so that's on you
Fuck it! I’m just gonna van life it. Skiing in the Winter and surfing in the Summer.
p your resume then tbh
My firm is fortune 100 and they are hiring a lot , specifically BO and MO. Back office is easy to get a interview for , sure your resume is going through ?
Yes, because I got the FO first rounds pre-COVID.
bump. huge mood:/
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It's about time I changed my LinkedIn to "Incoming Investment Banking Summer Analyst Reject at [insert bank]"
i would need 10 pages of resume if i need to list all banks i got rejected then lmao
Pick your favorite one.
25 SDs? What is your 1st round - SD conversion rate?
bro i applied to like 30-40 roles. Every bank, every city, every line of business and got 0 first rounds. : )
gotta network homie
You might want to run a mock interview with a friend that can give you honest feedback in addition you having your resume looked at. 30-40 apps is a lot for no 1st rounds.
ok say you get a mm firm like Stephens. how hard would rerecruiting for BB be?
Once you're in IB it's much easier to move around than if you're not. Can't say much about Stephens specifically but I have friends and know of people that moved from MM shops to BB/EB pretty easily after summer or months into FT.
have good leads right now but honestly feel like it's going to amount to nothing. everything is moving slow and being told to wait.
Hey man it's only October. HR at many banks are super backed up. I felt exactly how you do right now a year ago and now I am sitting on job offer starting in August at a strong MM bank on a good desk. Trust the process and stay positive. Don't go into superdays with that attitude.
I appreciate this comment thank you sir have a great week
barclays is just starting. Superdays this week
I feel your pain it took me thousands of applications with probably a hit rate of 1% for me to get in IB. My situation turned out to leave me jobless at graduation and took another half year to find a job luckily with a well-known asset manager. IB came a few years later after Big 4. A very non-traditional route. It’s a grind surely, but at this point you should probably try and widen your net. And most importantly as I still firmly believe is your network that gets you through the door, the rest is on you. That’s the only thing that got me this far. Keep your chin up and realize when an L’s not salvageable, and readjust to get the W.
thank you for sharing your experience, I got rejected by 6 IB firms didn't even get past the first round...... and life is sad right now.
I feel you, and it's not a matter of being tough or not built for the process. It's very tough and if you're network is lacking, that's the first place to build if you're coming from a non-target. Much easier said than done in the Covid environment we're in now. I can't give advice on how best to network in this socially-lacking environment especially for a field like IB which is a very relationship-based business at the end of the day. But take your time to reflect on areas you think you can improve realistically, things will get better
Hey man, I completely get you. I had a first round way back in March and until September, it was just a string of no first round invites even with banks where I had multiple people pulling for me. What I did in the meantime was just keep on networking (although it felt so useless with no invites) and interview prepping, so when I did I get a shot, I wouldn't blow it. Just keep at it a lot of other MM's and boutiques are still recruiting
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