Career Advice - Burnout and Exiting IB
Hey guys - thanks in advance for taking the time to read and opine. Hopefully this can a helpful discussion and reference point for people who are currently burned out or unhappy with banking and are evaluating next steps.
For background - I'm a current analyst at a MM bank (BMO / Stifel / Piper). I made a post on WSO a while back about dealing with mental health issues in banking, and the responses I received regarding mental health and burnout were incredibly helpful and motivating, so I'm hoping that I can gain some similar insights as I evaluate next steps in my career
Despite wanting to quit late last year, I managed to push through a few more months to focus on recruiting. The advice that I received from friends, family, and WSO all agreed that it's easier to find a new job while still being employed, and that I should only quit with nothing lined up if I had no other options. I took this advice to heart and tried to push back on staffings, reduce effort / work quality, and in general "phoned it in" while still employed so that I could focus on recruiting.
After a few months of interviewing, I received an offer for a corp dev associate role. I was also involved in some other processes for corp dev, credit, and niche private markets investing roles like secondaries, but nothing panned out and this was the only process that yielded an offer. At first I was over the moon that I had a new opportunity that would allow me to leave banking and able to pursue a more normal lifestyle where I could focus on improving my mental health; however, I've recently been second guessing myself and whether to take the offer, especially after discussing with mentors and friends in the industry who have cautioned me not to jump on the first lifeboat out of banking. Below are some considerations:
Pros / reasons to take the offer:
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Get to leave banking asap and rebuild my physical and mental health with a more manageable schedule
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C-Suite exposure and opportunity to learn how to grow a business organically / inorganically. Hopefully would be valuable pre-business school experience
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In theory, more interesting / meaningful work that will still be relevant for my career and allow me to build an M&A skillset. My experience at my bank has consisted almost entirely of building PPT presentations at all hours of the day, and I'm not sure if another 6-12 months would materially improve my skillset
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Have time for hobbies that I appreciate. Would start foreign language classes, volunteering in the mental health space to try to help others struggling with similar issues, and have time to start rebuilding my social life
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My bank's brand is not super strong and a better exit in the short term may not be attainable considering market conditions. I'm concerned that I'll be hit with a heavy wave of work and could end up finding myself in the situation I was in previously (i.e., wanting to quit with nothing lined up in a terrible job market)
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Was about to bounce with nothing lined up a few months ago and have a nasty resume gap where I wasn't gaining any skills, experience, or money, and I can now avoid that
Cons / considerations:
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Branding of new company is not as strong as desired. Long term, would be interested in working for a large tech company like Amazon/Google in one of their corp dev teams, so would consider trying to lateral if the opportunity doesn't pan out / when I get my ducks in a row in my personal life
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FOMO from leaving "the path" and potentially reducing optionality or complicating ability to move to an investing role down the road when I have a stronger grip on my mental health
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May reduce my desirability for certain finance roles by moving to a role like corp dev at this point in my career
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Meaningful comp discount relative to other improved WLB investing jobs that I'd been exploring like secondaries, credit etc.
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Company has not been highly acquisitive historically and may not get to work on many deals
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Have heard from some friends who have exited that the corporate world can be "too chill", with some frustrated by comp and career progression
FWIW, have gotten a range of opinions from mentors and friends in the industry with most leaning towards taking it, but I wanted to get the forum's thoughts.
With these considerations in mind, does anyone have advice for navigating this type of a decision? I am super reluctant to turn down an offer given recent events in my personal life and the desire to leave banking, but I also don't want to feel like I'm making decisions purely as a result of hating my current job. I worked my ass off to get into my current seat, and there's a part of me that feels like I'm doing a disservice to my career by taking the first thing that I get.
I'm thinking that the worst case scenario is I don't love the role, and then have to network/interview to join a bigger CD platform in the technology space with better comp and branding, but curious to hear other's experience when leaving banking due to burnout/mental health/etc.
Any advice would be much appreciated!
I'd take it.
1. You're never going to land FAANG corp dev from your current bank.
2. Company not being highly acquisitive is probably not the worst thing in the world. Get your bearings back for 2 years and get some more work experience, and then jump to a more acquisitive company if you choose.
3. I don't think it's a hot hiring market for niche exits like secondaries or PC, and there are so many layoffs/general turnover that people at a better bank would get priority.
You're young - I know this feels like a life-altering decision, but you will have options if you hate this job. If you decide you want to go back into investing, there are paths to get there.
Thanks man, appreciate the response. Do you think I'd have to move back to IB to get looped into processes for investing roles? Not interested in buyout, I just wouldn't want a move like this to complicate applying for other roles in traditional finance. As with anything, I'm guessing that networking + interview skills can make any move possible.
Would likely need to move to larger corp (F500) at minimum. But think credit or such would be doable
I imagine with 3 years of IB experience, worst case you can go back into IB later?
I've seen others make this move, but tbh I feel like I'd end up in the same boat I'm in now if I ever moved back into banking. I love the comp, but I really struggle to justify anything above a 70+ hour work week. I feel like there are way lower effort ways to make good money on the buyside (credit, secondaries, etc) that slightly reduce earnings potential but actually allow you to have a life outside of work, and would be more interested in trying to switch into one of those roles if I had the chance.
going to corp dev does limit your investing opportunities in the traditional sense of PE so be sure you are okay with closing doors to certain funds by doing this. plus, if the CD company isn't great, might be harder to move to FAANG considering decent bank, decent CD vs. coming from a BB and trying to go to FAANG. having a standout name on resume whether its BB or well known CD will help you down the line. jumping ship early might hinder career optionality possibility so def think about it
Made a similar move after burning out three years into IB and taking a corp dev seat at a not-so-acquisitive company. It has been paradise so far. Hours and culture are super chill, and you'll find plenty of ways to enjoy your life with the massive amount of freedom you will have secured for yourself. Also great opportunity to focus on your physical and mental health. After a year or two, once the market has improved you can always find your way back into banking or find a lateral gig at a more active company. FAANG corp dev is probably off the table, but there are still plenty of other interesting and profitable companies out there to consider (both public and PE-backed). Can always just ride it out longer in IB if you have the gas in the tank, but I wouldn't recommend making that sacrifice if you're just holding out for a unicorn lifestyle opportunity.
Glad to hear things worked out for you, sounds like you found an awesome gig. How meaningful was the comp discount? Was this ever something that concerned you, or did you feel like the lifestyle benefits outweighed the lower comp?
Total all-in comp at the Manager level is right around my EB/BB Associate 1 IB salary in NYC. Bit of a hard pill to swallow in the short run, but I wasn't an idiot, and had been able to bank 3 IB bonuses along the way, so I have some cushion and I'm still able to keep saving ~20% of my current salary. I like to think that I took a 50% hit in total comp for a 100% improvement in lifestyle. Plus, I don't plan to be here forever, and will either try and get back onto the banking track in a few years, or look for a PE-backed bolt-on platform for a title/comp bump.
Just have to be a little smart to make it work. For example, meal prepping for 2 hours on Sunday so you aren't buying meals during the week might be a bit of a drag sometimes, but net-net you still have an extra 6-8 hours you aren't working on that Sunday, so its still a win. And probably healthier than whatever Seamless garbage you're living off of now. Taking public transportation or citibike whenever possible vs Ubering everywhere (because you're constantly pressed for time), etc. Just try and live like a "normal" person and you'll be totally fine, and you'll realize how much healthier and enjoyable the lifestyle is along the way. A weeknight happier hour, 1-2 restaurant meals, a fun night out, cooking breakfast on a Saturday morning, averaging 8 hours of sleep/night and multiple gym sessions/week will do wonders for the soul, and believe it or not, will not doom your career in perpetuity.
Following. Currently in the exact same situation.
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