Does my budget look right? Fresh grad
Making 95k base in SF working in asset management.
Monthly pay after maxing 401k: 4600
Less:Rent (studio in nice area): 2400 + ~200 utilities
Income after rent (monthly): 2000
Unfortunately, firm does not provide meals and I'm a fatass.
Lunch at Work $300.00
Dinner $300.00
Weekends Food $320.00
Food (Total Monthly) $920
This brings me to ~1000 after food for savings and discretionary spending like going out.
Is this right? Do I need to lower rent or start cooking a lot? Kind of dissapointed to only be saving 12k a year on 95k. I also get a bonus but not much color on what it'll be, prob between 10-30k.
Also, feel like I'm getting SHAFTED by the government. How the fuck we going from 95k to 60k after taxes. Please tell me I'm doing this wrong, or is it this bad in other major cities too?
Damn bro you forgot toilet paper and shit :(
I feel like 10 bucks per meal for lunch and dinner seems a little low unless you plan on cooking it yourself.
Yeah in SF if you're buying lunch in FiDi it's gonna be $15-$20 minimum
Max out your Roth IRA as well.
Your budget looks fine. Since you’re maxing out retirement, don’t worry about other savings for now.
You can’t save a ton on such a low salary in a tier 1 city, that’s just the way it is. I remember making a comment awhile ago that to feel rich in a tier 1 city, you really need to make a decent amount yourself and have rich family as a safety net, as taxes and cost of living are so high. I got a lot of hate as usual, but you’re seeing what I’m talking about.
This is why I love WSO. On occasion, troll accounts give good advice! Honestly, it's a good reminder of the comradery.
Should I just put the $ in a PA instead of maxing Roth?
No because nothing is as powerful as the Roth IRA. It’s after tax money that gets to grow tax free. Very powerful, plus if you really need the cash, you can pull out the contributions with no penalty because it’s after tax money.
Meal prep and cut down those food costs. Otherwise, looks decent for SF.
Look bad, no money for pooping in pants
Sounds about right. You should budget the discretionary $1000.
Health, dental, and renters insurance. Are your parents paying for this?
Transportation. Are you going to buy a car? Are you ever going to take an Uber?
Toiletries/haircuts. How often will you go to the barber?
Clothing. Do you already have a good professional wardrobe? Your stuff will wear down eventually. And it sounds like you're gonna get fatter too.
Anything extra should probably be put into a taxable brokerage account or maybe a Roth. Investing $12k before bonus in SF is good. If you put the entire bonus towards investments you'll be in much better shape by the end of the year.
Thanks. No car, and am still on my parents health insurance. But don't have many good clothes.
Not gonna get much fatter spending $1000/month on food in San Francisco
Yup, sounds about right, except you're missing a few items, as RE Analyst 1 mentioned above. Your total remaining cash should be closer to ~$400/month once you've factored everything in.
Also wait until you get your bonus, and see just how much of it you actually get to keep (after taxes and everything). That's gonna be another fun post to read from you.
Let this thread be an awakening to all the clueless kiddies that think coming here is "making it big"
Welcome to the Bay, OP, where $200k is middle class.
Wtf.... is it this bad in NYC too?
Rent is a little more. But about the same.
Posts like these make me glad I’m in Texas but also feel like I’m missing out in living in a big city.
I’m about to start in Chicago doing IB as a SA. I currently live in a LCOL city… how does Chicago compare?
Chicago is still expensive, but less than Cali and NYC. Without eating out, I spend $400/month on food for myself. With eating out a few times it is like $100 for restaurants and $350 for groceries. $2500 rent in a high rise (no car no parking).
Making $90k in SF, contribute 10% to 401k (firm doesn’t match), max my Roth, $2150 rent, maybe $650 on total food and dining. Saved like $700 (very grateful to not have debts)
Honestly I accept that I’m not saving too much working this job. It’s my first job and I’ll make much more over the course of my career, so whatever, I save what I save. But I realize that’s a privileged perspective. I am also a big spender and it’s a tough habit to kick.
Another note: transportation (even though i take the bus) has been mad expensive here… but i don’t have any good muni bus routes near me so i have to take golden gate transit
As I said above, just wait until you get your bonus, then you're really gonna love it.
Honestly I’m mentally pretending I’m getting $0 bonus so anything is a pleasant surprise.
Dude I have absolutely no idea why everyone is saying your budget seems good. You’re literally paying 2600 for a studio and eating out every single day. You should have roommates. I’m moving to SF in a week to work in FiDi. My rent is $1k with max $100 in utilities. I have my own bathroom and will live in a nice apartment in nob hill with two young people. Think about it, if I save $1.5k/month more than you just on housing that’s 18k in post tax dollars and about 25k of your salary. And broooo $900+ on food a month?? Stop being a lazy tard man, pinch your waist and feel the fat every time you want to waddle to Jimmy John’s at 12pm from the office - cmon. Make food at home and eat rice/pasta, a protein and veggies. For your own health make food. 5 days a week prep healthy food and have your weekends be the days you eat out. Why move to SF to be paycheck to paycheck? Do you want to buy a house sometime in your 20s early 30s?
Another tool to use is an app called TooGoodToGo. It’s an app that restaurants opp into to sell the food they’d originally toss at the end of breakfast, lunch, and dinner service. FiDi has a ton of options. It’s $3-5 and you’ll usually get a decent amount of food - you just won’t be able to pick what you want. This is just an option to save if you really want to eat out.
Thanks for the shout on twogoodtogo. Have been using it, but wasn't sure if they had it in the bay.
My classic advice on all these threads.
If you are #3 and you look around at others on how to live you will end up in bucket 2.
Your budget is not responsible. A few reasons why:
For context, while I’m in a low cost of living city, my rent is about $1900 all in and my monthly budget ends up being roughly 4.3k. However, random expenses make my true budget closer to 5.5k a month. Things like weddings, health expenses, gifts, moving, clothes, really add up.
I’ll also add, I’m no longer really constraining my spending as much as not going crazy. My income is 5-10x more than yours. The real key to saving is not upgrading your life style each step of the way. In theory you can be fine if you keep your lifestyle flat for the next decade, but people like to feel like they are making progress and significant others will have you upgrading, so the issue with your budget is you are starting way too high and it’s only going to get worse.
In general, your budget is worse than you think, but the most important thing is not increasing each year. While you are starting at a point that is excessive and over budget, if you get raises in the coming years and stay at the same levels of spending you will be fine. Nonetheless, you are correct in understanding how hard it is to save money. There’s really no way to save without having a huge delta between “what you can afford” and what you make. The reality is if you want to buy a house, go to grad school, and hit other financial goals, you need to save in your 20s and 30s if you aren’t backed by mommy and daddy.
Id check out the below to really get a grasp on your spending:
https://www. monarchmoney.com/referral/3u56ti62bd
Thanks so much for the reply. What do you recommend I do with my bonus? Just put in a PA? I'm not big into spending on material things (watches, shoes) so was thinking of dumping it into SPY, or using some to go on a trip if I get time off.
My take on it.
Your lunch spending is totally fine. Bringing a packed lunch will probably be depressing, not as tasty, and only save you a few bucks.
Your weekend and dinner spending is really high in my opinion. You need to learn how to cook. It is not hard. Some months, I will not go to restaurants at all.
Have no idea how utilities come out to $200 for a studio, unless you are including like wifi in that lol.
Yea we are getting shafted by uncle sam. At the same time nothing is getting better in the city. Lots of misbehavior that gets totally ignored.
Thanks. Just guessed on utilities but was hoping I was wrong.
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