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Any info on the culture in the group?
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Any info on the culture in the group?
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Returning now to a different group at GS but heard that it sucks and sweaty. Wouldn't recommend at the associate level (analysts are still getting awesome exits, though)
Listen - the culture at GS' groups ranges from barely tolerable to Chernobyl-esque toxic. Guess which side of the spectrum FIG sits? By toxic, don't necessarily mean that you get belittled constantly or anything, just horribly sweaty and uncaring.
Dunno, which side?
Culture varies by vertical. Definitely on the upper half of GS classic groups, but tough hours.
FTAM has less of a facetime culture and more WFH. Banks stays the latest. Great exits at the analyst level to non-FIG MF & FIG roles.
How would you rank other classic ibd groups?
Its a very big group (believe its like 100+) so very hard to generalize culture. Shouldnt be hard to find your niche in the group but hours will be long AF
how is the culture? Sweaty?
It's a shitshow. The good analysts are exiting after two years, so at the associate level and up it becomes really bad (a lot of diversity MBA hires that are challenging to work with)
LMAO not wrong
This goes for most of the GS MBA associates.
I was under the impression GS would take the top of the top, no? How bad is it?
Double that, currently at FIG and some are really annoying with chips on their shoulders for not getting into finance before
this is too true
would avoid industrials, healthcare & cmg comparatively… brutal hours & tough culture !
Hi, long time member here just got this sent to me by a former intern so making first post haha. I cannot speak to culture from experience however I have hired interns between their freshman summer and sophomore years for a good while now, I have two that joined this group in different years who were absolute studs. Both did say that it absolutely insane with the hours and that there is one VP, now promoted again, in particular that really grinds the first/second years as they know they do not intend to stay for long. However, it seems like a lot of responsibility gets given (or forced upon) the top analysts early within their first year if they are trusted. Phenomenal exits also.
It is highly dependent on the vertical you are placed in. There are three: Banks / Specialty Finance, Insurance and FinTech / Asset Management. Banks is very busy but mostly on client service and random useless math, not a lot of dealflow. Insurance does some M&A and FT/AM is most active between pitching and deals. Those are the facts, what follows are my views and others may have differing ones depending on their experience, but I suspect it to be a majority who agree with me.
Culturally I would say FT/AM is the worst objectively, with very high turnover at all levels thanks to uninspiring leadership at the top and nonexistent culture - everyone understands their role is as a cog to bring in and execute deals, it isn't Google. Some debate on which is better between banks / insurance because banks leadership is based in Midwest and not NY, so the MDs (not partners) are the ones managing people and leading cultural stuff.
Bigger picture for those interested, I think a lot of fairy dust exists on this site regarding GS FIG. It is living on the legacy of the great FIG bankers of years past (e.g. Chris Cole), but is only differentiated today in the exits it provides analysts (and yes, even very bad analysts are getting good exits to MFs). There are whopper deals that have been missed as late (e.g. Discover/Capital One, BlackRock/GIP) and if you are a FIG hardo, JPM has an objectively stronger franchise (cannot speak to culture) while the boutiques can give you much better training. Lot of politics and favoritism for reasons that are not based on merit. At the associate level and above within GS FIG, with a handful of exceptions the talent gets progressively less impressive. Group leaders are like characters out of an 80s finance movie: all white males, not charismatic, apathetic and cold-hearted. Number of people (some quite good) they have fired during all of those layoff waves without batting an eye is frightening.
Relative to other GS groups, I think FIG is at the bottom of the pack with Industrials being worst. If relevant, best groups culturally from anecdotal things I have heard (i.e. strict no Saturday work, outings) are Consumer, NR and RE (all have great dealflow, especially NR and consumer lately). TMT has gotten a bad rep after the survey but there is a new group head and the mid level / seniors in the group are actually very down to earth and chill people; underrated culturally and still deserves its top-of-street creds. Hope this helps and again, others may have different views based on their experiences.
There was an Asian female staffer I worked in FTAM and she left for Sixth Street. Hot girl, but cold hearted
lol
Don't get close to the group, unless you're seeking good exits as an analyst. As the poster above alluded to, the culture is one of the worst at GS (except for the insurance coverage team, maybe) and that tells a lot. Also, while talent at the junior level is excellent, the talent at the associate level and above is subpar (filled with diversity MBA associates that are not doing their job properly / lack the drive to succeed in this job).
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