How long do you want to work in IB for?
Curious how long you would want to work in IB for?
Have noticed some people exit to PE after their analyst program while others stay for longer
Curious how long you would want to work in IB for?
Have noticed some people exit to PE after their analyst program while others stay for longer
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After working for 1.5 years, I’d suggest to go to a buyside firm with relatively more reasonable hours after your analyst program
For about 1.5 years prior to B school. Struck out in IB recruiting halfway through 1st year. I don't want to work in IB since I can't get in lol.
What type of B-School do you go to? Was it the same with your classmates?
Considering going to B-School and trying to recruit again for it.
Oh I was an anomaly. ~90% of my IB buds landed summer internships and 90% of them got return offers
The core competencies needed are all in the first two years assuming you go to a technically focused group and can get good reps. (I would say good is working on ~5 sell sides and buy side from beginning to end - whether they close or not) + a variety of strategic finance assignments (competitor analysis, operating model and kpi analysis etc, carve out experience is great too). As an associate you are doing more of the same + you actually own the analysis and are responsible for communicating more, however strong senior analysts often already do this very well to the point of not needing an associate unless there is an extremely large volume of work).
You should have the following down before deciding if you want to apply this skill set to other roles (PE, corp dev) - 3 statement modeling. Not that baby shit from the guides but a true client ready operating model, cover the various verticals in your sector (For tech you need to know how to build a software operating model and all the nitty gritty, advertising models, marketplace models etc.). Valuation exercises (know how to essentially pitch the value of a public business, how to pick their comps do a quick and dirty DCF / LBO / acc dil model and how to tell the story using research and news). Know how to run diligence, know the right questions to ask in detail / how to answer them with analysis if you are being asked for your own company, process management including interactions with 3rd party advisors etc.
All of the above assumes you are technically sound with advanced accounting (for example knowing how to model and value deferred taxes / NOL balances) but if you feel uncomfortable doing the above I think there is value in completing your analyst stint. The risk of leaving too early although it was encouraged during the bubble - is that when you move on to the next gig and are expected to crank out these analysis with VERY LIMITED, if any review in a manner that’s presentable to the c-suite and board of directors - you find that you’re not actually capable of thinking through these questions alone. There is a ton of shit shoveling in IB, much of the work is pretty pointless and disappears into thin air but you still get those reps, those numbers although never being used - were surely scrutinized to be correct anyway, that is still where you learn to do the crap in your sleep.
If you go to a top tier EB you should get reps like this that will serve you well.
Very dependent on the group you join, every group even teams within a group can vary by a lot
Are people still mostly doing the 2 yr ib, 2 yr pe, 2 yr bschool, then more pe path?
Call me crazy, but there are not enough female leaders in this industry and I’m very motivated to be one of them. If you still enjoy the work and can handle the hours I don’t see a problem moving up
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I have an offer to return to a secondaries/coinvest team (80/20) where the hours were much better or a low tier BB for an industrials coverage group.
The BB hours are brutal and I’m genuinely considering the secondaries shop just for the better WLB despite the 20-30% pay cut
Am I making a mistake here?
If you’re already hesitant about the hours then the BB job is not for you. I would skip banking for an easier job if I could do it all over again. This job can absolutely suck the life out of you and deteriorate your physical health. The way I see it is you have plenty of time to get rich so no point in ruining a couple of your best years doing something you don’t enjoy for a minimum of 60 hours every week for 100 weeks in your analyst stint. Just my opinion, others will disagree but the sacrifice has not been worth it from my experience.
What are you thinking of doing next?
Looking to work in IB for the long-term, which is not popular amongst many people here primarily because of the stress and long hours
Im and assoc in a pretty relaxed group, content with middle of the pack street pay for the time being. But most of the time I feel like I’m just doing this until I figure out another way to make money that I actually really enjoy doing just while stacking away some savings.
Would say I’m a pretty relaxed guy, and I prioritize staying active and busy outside work (like to surf, snowboard, marathon running, but also getting after it on the weekends with my buddies). Never saw myself as super similar to most of the people around me on the floor who just regurgitate Bloomberg headlines to MDs to sound smart, brag about backups that will be used one time and thrown in archive, exaggerate about how bad xyz deal was to work on. So lame imo, but that’s how it is, and i already can tell I don’t have that corniness in me
So short is answer is I feel like I’m just coasting and enjoying my 20s / 30s for as long as I can without gettting fired, while spending some time trying to figure out something I actually enjoy. The prospects of something much cooler out there that Id actually enjoy keeps me excited and motivated to be honest, and makes me stress / care hell of a lot less about banking. And sounds backwards but stressing less has really made me better
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