Investment Banking while pursuing music professionally?

This is a pretty oddball topic but recently had an invitation to join an established band that does corporate gigs and large, high-profile weddings. I'm a newly minted college grad and now A1 and while hours haven't been rough yet, I understand that if I pursue the music opportunity then I will eventually have to start choosing between quality work / availability vs rehearsing and traveling for gigs.The gigs would be high paying but obviously nothing close to my current paycheck.

However my life-long dream has always been to do music full-time, specifically as my own artist. I create my own songs and am beginning to start posting my work. I feel like this opportunity may be just what I need to build my music network and develop the skillsets needed to be a successful performer. Doesn't really matter but I received the invitation from the studio engineer to join his band since I guess my debut song really impressed him (so maybe I have some potential to be good?)

Anyone have any insight or similar experiences surrounding following your dreams vs that nice IB paycheck? May be worth posting this in a music forum too for perspective on the other side's grass lol

 

Follow your dreams. Early 20s are the time to take risks as you won't have that luxury once you've ascribed to a certain lifestyle / have kids and a family to take care of.

If not pursuing this opportunity is going to cause you to be filled with regret down the road, then you should absolutely go for it. Try and balance both as long as you can, but you should find a way to do what makes you happy.

 

Thanks for that perspective. I agree that the early 20s timeframe is especially important for pursuing music as my own artist (especially since my sound is more pop).

I guess I’ll try to balance both the best as I can in the meantime and if there’s an inflection point where one job is truly going to take over the other, then that will be a decision to make down the road

 

Grew up around music industry and was musically inclined my whole life. Going into college, was split on the path to take—finance vs music passion. I would sit in on recording sessions sometimes as we had a fam friend who is a very successful producer. Advice he told me has always stuck, basically music will always be there for you and to not discount pursuing business first. Worst case music will always be an outlet, which is still is to me. I think that advice is more applicable to college, because once’s you’ve cracked into the biz/finance world, you can always go back if you fail. Try and juggle maybe, if it feels like you’re getting traction, go for it. The general rule of thumb I’ve always heard is 7 years to fame, and if money is ultimately what you’re chasing, probably not the best avenue for that.

If it doesn’t work out, you can likely always get a job in the music industry on the finance side down the line as well perhaps.

 

Great advice, thank you. I'm definitely not interested in fame but obviously want to get to a point where I can start building a fan base and get signed by a label. Know it's gonna be a grind to get there and the probability of making it is probably near 0.

But yea all I can do is work as hard as I can toward this outside of work

 

Could you possibly move industries / roles? I can’t imagine a entry worse job to try to balance with your passion. In consulting or any other competitive corporate job you should at least have weekends free while still being well paid. 

 

One of my good friends from high school was an associate at Lazard, eventually decided to say fuck it, and then he submitted an application to Zurich University of the Arts and he got in to get his master's degree in Organ performance. He's still traveling around Europe playing the Organ in churches and at weddings and he loves his life. He speaks fluent Swiss-German and Italian now too which is crazy.

 

There is a DJ with the moniker DSol who also moonlights as the CEO of a little bank the name of which I forgot

 
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Very qualified to give advice on this one. Three reasons:

1) have a close friend who is pursuing music and finance at high levels

2) have a great deal of artist friends

3) have done various finance jobs including IB

Short answer:

Try to do both for now, eventually you might realize you don’t have the time for music and you will need to make a choice/ your band mates might slowly realize you aren’t reliable, but that’s ok.

My recommendation would be doing IB for a year or 2 then if you really want to pursue music take a 9 to 5 post IB and pursue music. I’m going to explain three real life friends for you, so you get why:

  • Friend 1–did music/ the arts out of school. They hate their day job of waiting tables/ tutoring/ whatever random job they can find and what’s worse their passion they are slowly beginning to hate because they have to take suboptimal opportunities and it just hasn’t played out like they dreamt. The arts are very random. It could be you blows up and it could be you are playing in a shitty bar getting underpaid and that’s the best you can do. This friend pursued their passion and followed the advice of “do what you love” and he regrets it and is bitter people told him this advice. He remarked to me the other day—“you know, I think I’d really like performing more and be a better performer and more creative if I was more relaxed and happy with life. Right now every-time I perform I’m thinking about whether I will be able to make my next rent payment.” The advice people give of “it’s your 20’s take a chance” is crap. Building the foundation of a career if you have the access to something like IB can change the trajectory of your life and give you flexibility others would only dream of. For these artist types that pursue their passion right out of school it looks like a slow decline as everyone else in the world is speeding up and getting flexibility and traction in their careers. The people that “take a chance” out of the gate end up at 26/27/28 with very unimpressive work experience and they struggle to find good employment because everyone thinks they are a bum since their work experience looks like a joke since all they have spent their time on since graduating is the arts. They need to job hop from 25 on to 30 to get even remotely close to the opportunities they had coming out of school and they will still be years behind their peers if they are lucky. Trust me, this path sucks, many of my friends took this path.
  • Friend 2: Not a music person, but a flirty girl who wishes they hadn’t done IB and couldn’t handle the anxiety of the industry. They quit after their bonus and make ~140k a year all in working 9 to 5 Monday- Thursday and 9 to 1 on Friday. This girl ate shit for 2 years and now has balance in her life and tons of time for extra activities. Very few people are able to stomach IB then decide they want to take the pedal off the gas so to speak, but if you do, there are some crazy cool opportunities. Imagine while everyone in your banking class is trying to go to the best PE firm, you optimize for hours and flexibility to pursue music. In this seat, you are 24, you have north of 100k of savings, and a job that has you making basically double the average college grad and your company feels lucky to have you. You also can find employment anywhere and quit for months and not care since you have north of 2 years of living expenses saved. Also, did I mention—if you break your guitar or someone spills a beer on your mixer, you laugh it off since “it was time for an upgrade anyway and you really wanted to get the newest model now that you are pursuing this seriously”
  • Friend 3: They did IB and somehow managed to do music when they could on their own schedule. It largely looked like them spending weekends and evenings recording things at their own pace and taking opportunities when they came along, sometimes they had to turn things down. They still work in finance and I think are less far in their music career than they otherwise would be, but they seem to enjoy the intellectual parts of finance a great deal and have done some pretty cool music things on the side leveraging their talent and just love for it to be able to do things like a red-eye flight to a recording session and bundling vacation days to pursue music based opportunities. I personally don’t get how they do it, but to them their music “work” isn’t work and it’s how they relax and slow down the world around them. One day maybe they will regret not going all in on music, but honestly they have gone about as deep into finance as you can go and still seem to somehow pull-off numerous professional music opportunities, so all things considered I think they have balanced both pretty well.

Life has trade offs and choices and you need to optimize for yourself, but from one former artist turned banker to a younger person at a fork in the road—IB sucks and everyone agrees it sucks, but it opens so many doors. The job is a lottery ticket if you can handle it for 1-2 years to wealth, flexibility, and safety that really almost no one in American society has access to.

 

Crazy that you have 3 friends that pretty much took the 3 different available routes I have in front of me. All that perspective is extremely helpful thank you. My gut says friend 2 has it the best for where I'd like to go (cushy 9-5 that allows for plenty of free time to pursue music).

You're right, I shouldn't take being in IB for granted, and I think it's a lot easier to lose sight of the grind now that I've graduated college and am trying to find myself. Think the best game plan is to do the best work I possibly can in IB for the next 1-2 and I think those couple of extra years are exactly what I need to mature as a person and an artist. Then hopefully I can land that cushy $100k salary 9-5 and make the music thing happen on the side.

Right now will just focus on trying to find my sound, release what I can, and build a social media platform while in IB. Thanks again for your advice

 

No problem, best of luck to you and your music. Not going to sugar coat it, IB really does suck and it might be tempting to leave it all and very brutal looking around at the things you want to do but can’t because of your role, but I’m telling you it’s worth it. Being in your mid-twenties with a year+ of savings and being able to easily find a job gives peace of mind most people don’t have and will make you better at your music career if that’s what you want to do. I had no idea how much the role would change my life and it’s only now becoming apparent several years after IB. If the music opportunity is really exceptional, leave after a year in IB potentially and if you are good at your role, you might even have a spot saved for you when/if you need to return if you explain it to your managers and leave with plenty of notice and are respectful. But getting a shot at what you will learn in IB isn’t something everyone gets.

Adding too, the dumb/ignorant undergrad or analyst take is the job pays you to be an excel monkey and you learn nothing just making dumb edits and moving logos. It really felt like this at times, but I honestly didn’t even realize how much I was learning because things an investment bank does that is considered internally as “busy work” are tasks that others wouldn’t even know where to start.

The reality is if you just watch the process of a company fundraising or selling, let alone create any deliverables, you are seeing something most experienced c-suite executives only see 2-4 times in their entire career. After a year of banking you might have as much experience in understanding a sell-side or fundraising process as a 55 year old CFO, which if you go to a startup that needs to fundraise you might be able to help that 55 year old or frankly take his job. Further, the level of intensity you need to survive a year in IB virtually assures everyone you go to interview with that you are about as responsible an employee that exists and you also likely have exceptional understanding of attention to detail, finance, and professional work standards. Yeah, I drink the IB koolaide, but there’s a reason the skill set is so sought after and the path so valued.

Excited for your next few years and best of luck!

 

Way more roles like this than you might think. The person took a 60k paycut from IB. Many Corp dev/ strategic finance positions at startups would gladly take an ex-banker at 140k doing 36 hours than two 80k fresh out of school or incompetent old person hires. You are no longer being paid based on hours you work, but you actually bring expertise. The ex banker even after 2 years can make your financials lights out and professional, while also giving guidance on how to raise.
 

In reality, I’m sure that person doesn’t average 36 hours and has a few 50 hour weeks, but for the most part they work less than most people. 

 

I am confident I have the talent. But talent is only the potential to be great. There’s so much about music itself and myself as an artist that I have to learn—and there’s the whole industry side of things dealing with labels and building your social media influence and whatnot.

That’s why I’m definitely okay with taking the next 1-2 years to mature as an artist while I continue working in IB. I guess it’s hard not to daydream about the other side while I’m sitting in the office, but realistically this is the path that I’m meant to be on

 

Can you put music as a side gig for a year or 18 months and then lateral to corporate where you will have more reliable evenings/weekends? Would the band delay your "offer" a bit? 

You generally will be okay to do Saturday night wedding type gigs but I imagine the band will quickly tire of you cancelling on gigs with a few hours notice, which would happen frequently. 

Sounds like you have your head on straight, props to you. Get your year or so of IB and go to something with great WLB so you can give this a real run.

 

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