McKinsey / Bain NYC vs. Evercore Menlo / Lazard SF FT
I received an offer from one of McKinsey / Bain in the NYC offices, as well as one of Evercore Menlo Tech / Lazard SF Tech, both for Full-Time, and having a pretty tough time deciding. Some factors I'm considering include:
Exits: Interested in PE / GE / VC, which would be better coming from Lazard / Evercore, but not 100% sure if that's the path I want to go in yet. Also interested in someday becoming top management position (probably better from MBB) or getting a top MBA, which the MBB firm will sponsor.
Lifestyle / Culture: Likely better from MBB (Much better hours + perks)
Pay: Obviously IB, not even close (~140k all in for MBB vs. ~200k all in for the EBs)
Appreciate all the advice!
Go to McKinsey/Bain, crush it there and then go to a 'consultant friendly' PE shop (e.g., Bain, Advent).
Yeah pay will suck the first 2 years in but in the grand scheme of things ~$100k (while significant) pre-tax won't make or break your life
Edit: with that being said if you do take IB take Evercore
Don’t think he has both options for IB but instead wanted to give similar groups without disclosing too much info
OP Here - What would the difficulty of breaking into consulting-friendly UMM/MF PE from McK/Bain be like vs. going to UMM/MF be from EVR/LAZ?
Congrats on Bain / Lazard!
OP Here - Can promise at least one of those is wrong, so please pass by and go back to wasting your time if you have no value to add
Such a nerd bro
Definitely do consulting. Bonuses there will be much more consistent and are likely going to rise as consulting salaries have risen recently to match banks. They’ll never fully be IB bonuses, but an extra 20k after tax in exchange for an extra 15-35 hours a week isn’t worth it. Plus it fits your long term goal better.
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I had to choose between MBB and BB. Chose BB because of exit opps, interesting work, and comp. Think the combination of EB + Tech + West Coast + Comp is hard to pass up for MBB. Would only choose MBB if you really value WLB and if it’s more in line with your interest/long term goals
This is OP - Can I PM you?
McKinsey NYC > evercore Menlo > bain NYC > Lazard SF
Office doesn’t actually matter too much with McKinsey
Go to Evercore and don’t look back
Evercore > McKinsey > Bain > Lazard imo
Just curious, where would you put BCG and CVP in that list?
Not the above commenter, but I’d actually rank
McKinsey > Evercore / Centerview > BCG / Bain / Lazard
If McKinsey was any other office, I’d rank Evercore / Centerview higher, but McKinsey NY is insanely good
Congrats Evercore Menlo Tech. Have friends at both Evercore and Lazard and I know Lazard SF Tech did not hire any full time analysts this year. Have fun doing nothing in Menlo Park and working 100 hours.
Hey dude they don’t work 100 hours— it’s usually around 95.
Easy Evercore lol
I used to work at Evercore / Lazard and now work at Bain / McKinsey (lateraled at the analyst level). I’d be happy to chat with you if helpful!
If you don't mind replying here – could you briefly touch upon 1) your rationale for making the move, 2) long term goals, and 3) how you've found MBB compared to IB thus far in terms of skill gain + how fulfilling/enjoyable the work has been?
Happy to reply here and discuss in more personal detail over a phone call.
1 - Rationale for the Move: Found the people and coverage at my bank pretty uninspiring and meh. Folks are smart at these places, but generalizing widely, not very social and kind of cold / not fun. While folks were not abusive / outwardly rude, there was a lot of politicking and personal relationships were non-existent. Additionally, our bullpen / floor was absolutely silent and we never did any social events / anything of the like. Moreover, I found the work pretty boring and mundane. While I certainly learned a bit about transaction processes and some nitty gritty finance technicals / modeling things, I honestly found ~5% of the hours actually additive / interesting and it just seemed an inefficient and somewhat painful use of time as there are often fire drills, cancelled plans, and late nights / weekend work. Particularly at Evercore and Lazard, the interview process is super technical and between that, my summer analyst stint, and a bunch of finance internships in college / undergrad coursework I knew most of the basics that someone from a non-finance background might find super additive in the first 6 months of banking. I also often found a lot of the work pretty thoughtless / pointless, particularly on long-term coverage accounts where our ideas were literally useless and not actionable or realistic but you’d spend an inordinate amount of time putting together and turning pages. I’d say last piece of the move was something that I evolved my thinking on - at the time, I found the overall hours extremely painful and the nature , but have come around on this as my take is if I want to end up in a great sit when you’re 40 or 50 (Consulting Partner, PE Partner, C-suite or senior at a consumer / retail company for me), you need to grind in your 20s. Candidly, embracing this fact instead of trying to fight the hours helps a lot and is something I internalized while still in banking.
2 - Long Term Goals: as of now, planning to move to UMM / MF consumer PE after 2-3 years at my consulting firm. I absolutely love my job / firm, but miss the actual finance parts of finance and the level of ownership / exposure you get in an investing seat (did some investing internships in college that showed me this). Am also much more comfortable as stated above in my ability to happily handle the additional hours / stress of PE vs. my current gig. Would say that I’d also be 100% happy to continue on at my consulting firm and get business school sponsored / return if I’m not able to land an offer at a PE firm that I’m happy with. I have a fantastic life and this move is more about “is there something that’s even better” vs “I hate my job and need to get out”. If I stay in consulting beyond the “analyst” level, I’d probably want to get as senior in consulting as possible before jumping into an operator role in consumer / retail.
3 - Thoughts on the Move. Frankly. I couldn’t be happier. I love my firm and the job. Having spent ~6 months thus far in our due diligence ring fence, I feel great about being able to put the CDD skillset together with my finance background in the PE associate role. More than anything, consulting teaches you how to bread down ambiguous problems into actionable workstreams and get to a pretty good answer while being 80/20 and keeping the hours fairly sustainable. Consulting also helps you build a skillset around building a meaningful relationship with your client map, presenting to internal and external stakeholders and generally just things that make you a better, more confident business professional. More importantly, the culture and people at my firm are awesome. We have regular social events, the office is filled with chatter / laughter and pretty fun, and I truly feel mentored and even cared about at a personal level. I meet with my supervisor and manage regularly and they dedicate time to helping me improve my professional development needs. More importantly, I’ve had very senior mentors who give me advice thats in my best interest even if worse off for the firm, working team members happily cover for each other in emergencies, celebrate each other birthdays / major life events; and an “analyst” class that is full of talented, social people who are friends. I’d say ~95% of the people at my firm I’d love to be friends with and thing are genuinely really great humans.
Realize this was quite long, but hope this is helpful. Would note that banking people / culture / hours can vary meaningfully group to group and firm to firm. Also, would say that culture / hours / people and overall experience can be pretty different at McKinsey vs Bain (with McKinsey people and culture being a bit closer to banking on average), so would due some firm and group specific diligence in your situation
If you have Evercore, do that. Otherwise, take whichever consulting offer you have. That's it, that's the answer.
I’ll offer a different perspective - you should choose the location you like. West coast vs New York are extremely different. Where are your friends? Your family? Where do you want to be long term?
Personally for me I would have taken a shittier position in NYC over a West Coast job.
If you have no preference then you’re back to deciding on your other criteria, but I think location is a huge consideration here. You should rank which things are most important (hours/WLB, location, prestige, exit opps, long-term interests, etc.).
OP Here - Ended up signing with McKinsey / Bain!
Congratulations! What was your thought process behind the decision? Would be helpful.
Whatever you do, don’t let the incremental $ from the IB gig weigh into your decision. Best of luck.
Why?
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