Merrill CFO Program Exit Opportunities?
Hi Guyes,
I got an offer from ML for the CFO Program..a little hesitant on accepting and they need a decision within next week, but HR said they will give me a little longer since I am currently taking finals.
I want to know if anyone can offer any insight regarding this program? Will I learn a lot of Corporate Finance issues? My end-result is banking or trading, I have my heart set on both of them. I know they are very different, but I truly like both divisions, and was wondering what the exit opportunties would be like from the CFO Program? Also, anyone have any idea what the bonuses are like? Hope someone can help, appreciate it!
CFO at ML is "back office" accounting/controlling/finance type work for the most part. I have not done it first hand but ML CFO recruits at my school and I have some friends who did it as summer analysts.
CFO is comparable to GS's "controlling & finance" division. I think DB has a similar title for their comparable division. I have some clue about this program (although certainly do not know everything, by any stretch) because all 3 of those companies and the CFO/controlling/accounting divisions recruit at my university. A bunch of kids go as summer analysts or sign on for FT at these places/programs from my school.
What I have heard on my own, for exit opps, is in line with what this forum has said before: back office = not good, if you want to go to banking,trading, PE, HF. One girl I know who summered in controlling at one of the 3 banks I mentioned above(who is actually quite attractive) said the traders look down upon those from the back office. This was somewhat telling because one would think an attractive young woman, with a 3.8 nonetheless, might have been able to at least find a way into an interview. She said that the bank's HR dept. wanted to hear nothing of it.
If banking is what you want, it is better to go boutique or MM - money is better (I am pretty sure of this because I don't believe CFO-type people get nearly as much bonus(potential), if any?), experience is better, IB is the best way to learn corp fin inside out - not working in a finance dept. at a corporation, skill set gained is better (modeling, forecasting, valuation), exit opps to PE/HF actually exist (the extent to which depends on indiviudual deal experience & contacts/networking & how far the bank falls on Wall Street's prestige scale)
It seems logical that a BB would rather hire a new analyst from a boutique/MM shop rather than from their own firm's back office- the boutique/MM analyst will have some deal experience, modeling ability, and have had experience with pressure/banking situations before. To bankers looking to hire a lateral, I would think (again, I am not at all positive, but this seems logical) CFO does not come off better than an IB analyst @ a boutique/MM because it is probably more difficult to get a boutique/MM job than a CFO-type position. CFO/controlling at a BB is more like an accountant/risk management role and I have actually heard auditing is even better then back office stuff at banks because you actually have clients.
If trading is what you want, not so sure what to say. There aren't nearly as many trading boutiques as there are M&A/corp fin boutiues.
hope this helps
CFO pay is base (55k I believe) plus 10-15% bonus. These aren't confirmed numbers.
There are some people who have gone from CFO -> Trading positions. This is because if you are in CFO on the GMI side then you will have some interaction with the trading desks, since you are supporting them. However, in most groups that I know, the interaction between finance (CFO) and trading is scant. Thus, you will likely not build many connections this way.
Banking is a long shot. You won't be building any models or anything corp fin related (again, most groups, I certainly don't know about ALL of the groups), it is most likely that you will be doing mundane Excel-based tasks. I indirectly know one guy who worked for CFO (support a debt desk) and went on a position in some banking/trading hybrid position after being in CFO for 2 years (I believe). He's an analyst now though, even after some amount of time in CFO.
It's a ~40-50 hrs/week job, save for month-end that gets a little hectic, but we're still talking 60 hrs/wk tops. So for what it is it's not bad, but certainly don't expect anything like the opportunities you would get from working in MMs/boutiques.
Is the same type of thing true for a COO Job? I have a Business Continuity COO job and I'm trying to get an idea of how hard it will be to switch over to banking. Right now I'm thinking I will attempt the switch over after I get an MBA.
Thanks a lot for all your help guyes. I appreciate it....will probably decline if something more better comes up.
Assistant VP with ML CFO (Originally Posted: 12/13/2007)
I've recently read about an opportunity with Merrill Lynch CFO (Chief Financial Office) at Assitant Vice President level. Can somebody please:
1) explain me where AVP is placed in the corporate structure? Is it equivalent to IB Associate 1, 2 or 3 or maybe even level after Associate?
2) Is CFO a back office, middle office or both? (P.S. CFO covers traditional finance and accounting functions, market and credit risk management, treasury, financial and regulatory reporting and controls, corporate and strategic planning, internal audit, and tax policy, as well as regulatory supervision on a global basis)
3) What are the prospects after spending 2 years in CFO (say in credit risk or audit or planning)? Any chance of moving into front office role or not at all?
Merrill Lynch CFO Program (Originally Posted: 04/12/2008)
Hey Guys,
First time poster, long time reader. I have been offered a position at Merrill Lynch to work as an intern in the Chief Financial Office program. Is anyone familiar with this division and the work involved.
This is a different branch than banking, therefore,I was wondering how much this would help leverage into the banking industry. I already have an internship with a Big4 accounting firm, but am not sure if that is enough to get into banking.
3.55 GPA, Semi Target, Fin/Accy Major:
So, Any insight about the Merrill Lynch CFO program? Also, Chances of getting into banking.
I would appreciate any advice.
Thanks.
back-office job.
http://careers.ml.com/?id=76716_79332_76756_76790_76801_76911_76917
is it middle office stuff? my friend got in this also, and i would like to know what they do as well.
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