Pros and cons of “low prestige” banks?

What are the drawbacks of working at some of the “lower prestige” banks? For context, I am at a mid-tier BB. We pitch for everything under the sun in an attempt to compete with GS/MS/JP/EBs, which results in a i) very low success rate and ii) terrible work life balance at the junior level with not much to show for it.

What is wrong with working at a “less prestigious” bank that more or less knows where they stand in the pecking order? Does that ultimately result in lower hours and less low-yield pitching? Sure you won’t work on the big prestigious deals, but I’m at a point in life where I don’t care. All I care about is pay per hour and staying in finance.

I used to care about prestige a lot more, but now ~$500k as a VP at a bank that knows its place doesn’t sound so bad, especially if it’s lower stress and offers slightly better WLB.

Can anyone who works at a “less prestigious” bank confirm this is the case? Are there drawbacks I’m missing?

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Following. Seems like the play is to work at a top firm for exits early on and if you lose interest in that then try and join one of those large international balance sheet banks that doesn’t excessively pitch or is super lean. There have been multiple WSO threads on that. Hours will be lower and pay will be lower but it’s still IB after all and longevity pays in the industry

 
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I'm at one of those lower prestige groups at a MM bank and deeply regret it. Would not recommend. 

Pros:

  1. There is some WLB, and if you divide total comp by hours worked, it could be higher than BB / EB. This does not apply to every single group
  2. People are chiller. This is not every single individual.

Cons:

  1. General consensus is, if you're already working in IB, might as well just make it worth it by working at a shop with great deal flow and reputation. That will give you way better exit opps - whether it's another IB, PE/PC, HF, VC, Start up, IR, Corp Dev, etc. I know people like to look at anomaly cases and counter this argument, but in reality most people are not anomalies and should hedge whatever they can.
  2. When you close 0 deals over 2-4 years of working, recruiters will be like wtf have you been doing in the past few years. Even though you might have a good story of why your team isn't doing well (it isn't an analyst's fault that deals aren't closing anyway), it's still not a good look. Remember you're also competing against analysts and associates at other banks with better deal experience and transferrable skills too. You really don't want to be those guys and girls that were in IB for 2-3 years and learned nothing. The longer you wait, the harder it is to get out with weak deal experience, because in recruiter's minds, if you were serious about your career you would've left early instead of waiting for years, riding out that WLB.
  3. Good WLB is never guaranteed anyway, so might as well just work at a shop that closes deals. You don't want to be at a shop with long hours and weak deal flow. When you sacrifice your personal health, relationships, and social life, it better be worth it by you closing those deals, which would help set up your future exit opps and provide you with a great learning experience.
 

Fair, but your take seems to be more from a junior/analyst perspective. What if you’re at the VP level and just want to chill long term / don’t care about exit opps to the buyside?

Happy to comment on that since I see that at the ASO / VP level too.

You're right - WLB is materially better at those banks at the ASO+ level compared to the prestigious counterparts. Some people stay at my firm for a long long time because the comp / hours worked ratio work out really well for their cases. Some drawbacks:

  • Since WLB is so great, everyone will try to stay. Weak deal flow means that everyone will stay because of weak exits. Combining those 2 together means that it's very competitive to get promoted up top, unless you're confident in your office politics.
  • Similar to ^, when there's not enough deals and fees generated, teams will be limited economically and may delay your promotion or not promote you at all
  • Similar to ^, when there's not enough deal flow and a material event negatively affects the bank, the low fee producing teams will be let go first. At the VP+ level, you're more expensive so you'll be more at risk. When you're laid off as a VP, it's harder to bounce back than as an analyst because there are less open seats. Not to mention, once again, it's not a good look to be a VP recruiting with a weak deal sheet. 
  • Even if you stay and get promoted, you wasted your VP years moving up to Director without having enough execution reps and learn about the nuances of deals, then you'll likely face issues closing deals in the future because you didn't have enough learning opportunities while you were more junior.

Also I mentioned in my original comment that this would affect staying in IB case too, not just buyside exits

 

Pre sure the only places that dont pitch are places with so much deal flow that they dont have to. Also when ppl say they dont pitch they just mean to dont compete in bakeoffs. They still have to do those "discussion materials" every few months with each client which is basically pitching.

 

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