RANT: Why do firms ask "Why us", when there is rarely any difference between these companies.
I can glide through routine behavioral questions about my experiences, and I've done a lot of studying for technicals to where I feel confident for the recruiting gauntlet. The one question that I cannot wrap my head around is why, "why do you want to work within our group" "why do you want to work at our firm?". I think it's odd to ask that question when I essentially had no opportunities to see the firm's inside and can only glean things from the website. Additionally, it's not like these banks are so different to where my why would be specific enough to warrant me getting the job or not.
Me applying, going through multiple rounds of interviews, studying finance and econ, and being in a bunch of IB-related clubs should prove to you that I really want this, not some cliche answer that forces me to kiss up to the firm.
Easy way to separate the candidate who put in time and effort to networking and learned 1 unique thing about the banks vs one who just applied and got an interview cause their friend emailed recruiting
ok hardo
The only thing unique is the name. Otherwise, they all are basically well paid sweatshops with driven people working hard to make money while couching it in terms of ESG, diversity, etc. The actual "why" or "why not" is something one divines after working there a few months or longer.
That’s why you network…to find out why you prefer that firm over the others
There's literally no difference, you can usually get away with overemphasizing "the people I spoke to, man! Just really high quality people, etc." but you really have to use descriptive and creative adjectives, typically because there's always that one loser you have to convince who thinks "HUR DUR MAN, THIS IS HOW I KNOW THIS GUY PUT IN THE EFFORT TO NETWORK AND REALIZE WE'RE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE AND BLAH BLAH BLAH" yeah, you just gotta say the people and really show how muh nice and muh differentiated, etc.
Always the Associate with no life outside the office who likes the bullshit artist candidate that sucks off group culture his whole interview. "Yeah no he totally gets it, great cultural fit"
10,000% bro, the A2A dudes end up marrying the bank because they kinda just have to lol
All BBs are the same. EBs u can talk about something interesting and unique about the bank
To test that you have the emotional intelligence to come up with an answer. Also echoing the above poster - to prove you're interested and have done the work to learn something unique about the company.
I had the same thought process as you when I applied, but it’s so easy on the other side to ask this question and read who is really interested
rarely any difference? lmao would you rather work at DB or GS myguy
"I want to work for the leaders in the IB industry because I know I'll be learning from the experts. The leadership position will ensure I get consistent exposure to live transactions and if I'm pitching, there will be a greater likelihood of winning the deal."
That's basically what I said and I got an offer at GS/MS.
imagine unironically referring to someone by their tag on WSO lmao
dawg y'all really some corporate simps if you legit think there's a difference between multinational money institution #1 and multinational money institution #2, between groups definitely, but between banks? y'all really lost bruh
Why do you type like that? Write like a normal person
Clearly we’ve found the diversity hire with that guy
>corporate development
it was over before it began...
It's a stupid fucking question, but it's not hard to create an answer for right? Like how "Why IB" is an objectively stupid fucking question but everyone goes through the motions because it's a question meant to ding people who didn't memorize the answer, and won't help anybody.
I mean in the grand scheme of things, wouldn't you just have two versions of the same answer that you would use universally (one for large banks, one for boutiques / independents)?
The single dumbest question that is asked in interviews and is regularly used to dq people. People that ask this are idiots
I was interviewing at a lower tier MM bank and they asked this question.... I mean you know I'm just not very interested in working for JPM and Goldman. Already turned down their offers. That's why I'm here - you seem just like such a swell group of guys.
I used to think there were no differences between banks and then I worked at a bank and now I disagree. I actually think they vary a ton and it’s whether you are perceptive and smart enough to understand that. Will all of them end up being a gold star on your resume that treats you poorly and pays you well? Probably. However, they actually can vary a lot in terms of strategy and culture. Just a few examples:
These are some differences, but really the point of this question is to see if you 1) put the effort into trying to get to know the bank or if you are half ass applying to places and don’t really care 2) Can analyze a business and critically think (banks are businesses too) 3) Have long term goal alignment that will result in you accepting the offer/ choosing their bank and having a good experience. You saying the firms are the same is as ignorant as someone saying that working as a programmer for Apple, Facebook, and Google is all the same. On some level, you aren’t wrong, they are all big tech and all investment banks are in the same industry and business, but it’s ignoring that within an industry there are differences.
How do i find out information like this tho? Is it just through networking
Yes. That’s why networking is important. These forums can provide some shade of truth, but they also can be very very wrong. The problem is groups and the m&a market in general is dynamic and constantly changing. Many comments are from several years ago or worse many commenters are either individuals who have no basis in truth and are interns or they are older professionals who might be removed from processes or isolated in their given sector and industry so they don’t know reality outside their world.
Good networking should be all about figuring out how the bank you are talking to is different from other banks you are talking to. If you ask questions like, “I heard IB is hard, how do you adjust to being an analyst?” You are a moron. The whole point of networking is figuring out where you should work.
Your job as a banker is basically to come up with creative ways why whatever company your selling/taking public/issuing debt for is worth more/should trade better than the 10 other identical companies on the market that do the exact same thing.
Seems reasonable to ask you to do the same in an interview for the company you're applying for, no? Or were you planning for your next bake-off to just leave off the positioning section because it's a "stupid fucking question" and you weren't given enough info in the RFP?
If you hate the question this much, banking (or PE for that matter) might not exactly be the best long term career fit.
To see how well you can bullshit. If you can bullshit HR, then you also will be able to do it with a client.
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